When S&M is more than fun & games

[samhexum]

An exec at top Hollywood agency William Morris Endeavor, Skip Chasey, is still employed even though a man died in his basement dungeon after being mummified in plastic wrap and gaffer’s tape,according to a new report by podcaster Mark Ebner.

 

The “sudden death during recreational mummification bondage,” as the Los Angeles coroner described it, happened Nov. 22, but was not reported until muckraking podcaster Ebner broke the story last week.

 

The deceased, Doran George, 47, a British-born UCLA professor with his doctorate and a dancer and avant-garde choreographer, was found in Chasey’s well-equipped dungeon in Los Feliz. According to reports, the LAPD could find no criminal component to George’s death.

 

Chasey, 62, who works in television business affairs at WME, is

in the world of bondage and sadomasochism and has given over 250 speeches and workshops.

 

The co-founder of People of Leather Among You (that’s PLAY), his motto is: “Blood may be thicker than water, but leather is thicker than blood.”

 

A spokesman for WME told me: “While we were unaware of the circumstances surrounding this personal matter until now, we understand that the police file is closed and no charges were brought. If other facts develop we will re-evaluate the situation and determine any appropriate action to take.”

 

A source said, “They were consenting adults in a seven-month relationship. They had done this before. This is not an abnormal thing in that community.”

 

Before joining WME in 2013, Chasey had been with Imagine Television for 15 years overseeing negotiations for series like “24,” “Arrested Development” and “Parenthood.”

 

Chasey’s attorney had no comment.

 

This brought to mind another famous S&M death...

[pubic_assistance]

It's abnormal in "the community" to be so sloppy in your sexual interests that you cause the death of your partner. Unacceptable.

[+ m_writer]

I checked several sources and this one spoke up the possibility of GHB and the possibility that Doran George had a cold at the time:

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/death-a-hollywood-sex-dungeon-how-a-top-agency-executives-mummification-ritual-ended-tragedy-1123815

 

This is scary and it sounds like Skip Chasey took the necessary precautions, but this just reinforces my desire to never allow any drugs whatsoever during a session. But this actually made me realize something: if you have a session with an escort, when you say "no drugs", how can you know if the escort is clean or took something before seeing you?

 

You could ask if they took anything beforehand, and if they tell you "no", then it's kind of hard to tell if they're lying or telling the truth.

 

In the S&M rules, besides consent, can someone clarify what is the stance of drugs during play? (I'm pretty sure I read it's "no", but I want to double check).

[+ honcho]

Personally, I come down on the side of no-drugs because when a player is having chemically induced europhoria, it may impair his ability to judge when damage is going to occur, and certainly questions the issues of consent and sanity.

 

But that being said, I know that there are a fair number of leather players who use while playing; you can see guys "getting cloudy" while being fisted somesimes even on cam4.

[Kinky Boyfriend]

In the S&M rules, besides consent, can someone clarify what is the stance of drugs during play? (I'm pretty sure I read it's "no", but I want to double check).

 

Seconding @honcho re: drugs impairing one's ability to judge when damage occurs.

 

Some don't carry out scenes if any party involved has a drop of alcohol in them.

 

 

General guidelines for kink/BDSM play:

Keep everything

- Safe

- Sane

- Consensual

 

Incorporating drug use into a scene ticks none of those boxes.

 

That being said, many of those who seek a rougher playstyle / have more "intense" fetishes also often use drugs as a way to either distract from pain or to tap into the darker/intense headspace.

 

 

I find it preferable when people are able to tap into those spaces without the use of drugs, not to mention the safety/health/legal aspects.

[Smurof]

I to try something different for myself booked this kind of appointment, but the provider backed away, claiming I was too frail (and he wasn't wrong). I got some fun naked time in it's place instead.

[pubic_assistance]

In my experience a good BDSM session with a skilled DOM can provide you with a level of euphoria through the manipulation of body chemistry by tweaking sensations of fear and pain mixed with eroticism and sensuality which should result in enough dopamine and endorphins to satisfy the hungriest bottom boy. The addition of drugs to the session speaks a lot to the inferior skills of the top on a variety of levels.

Edited July 8, 2018 by pubic_assistance

[whipped guy]

I to try something different for myself booked this kind of appointment, but the provider backed away, claiming I was too frail (and he wasn't wrong). I got some fun naked time in it's place instead.

I am a firm believer that the best providers instinctively know what the sub needs. I’m not sure if the word frail is the best to describe your situation, but perhaps he knew that you were not yet ready. I would definitely try to attempt things again and who knows he or someone else might be able to push your limits if only a tiny bit... Just make sure that the provider respects any limits... and of course the best have the patience and know how to do so....

[whipped guy]

In my experience a good BDSM session with a skilled DOM can provide you with a level of euphoria through the manipulation of body chemistry by tweaking sensations of fear and pain mixed with eroticism and sensuality which should result in enough dopamine and endorphins to satisfy the hungriest bottom boy. The additional of drugs to the session speaks a lot to the inferior skills of the top on a variety of levels.

 

Seconding @honcho re: drugs impairing one's ability to judge when damage occurs.

 

Some don't carry out scenes if any party involved has a drop of alcohol in them.

 

 

General guidelines for kink/BDSM play:

Keep everything

- Safe

- Sane

- Consensual

 

Incorporating drug use into a scene ticks none of those boxes.

 

That being said, many of those who seek a rougher playstyle / have more "intense" fetishes also often use drugs as a way to either distract from pain or to tap into the darker/intense headspace.

 

 

I find it preferable when people are able to tap into those spaces without the use of drugs, not to mention the safety/health/legal aspects.

 

I agree totally with both of the above. Drugs do speak to the inferior skills of the top and are additionally a crutch for the sub... alcohol as well. There is a reason that no acchol is available at many of the venues that host such play parties. As for drugs, you have to hope that the dom is not on some sort of trip. Many years ago I ended up being badly worked over by a guy about whom in retrospect I realized might have been high on something. I was a bit green back then and did not realize it. Now I would not put myself in such a situation. In addition to drugs I don’t even like it when a sub uses something thought of as being safe such as so called poppers... you never know what the fu@k is in those things and what the results might be.

 

When both guys are totally in control of their senses and approach things with mutual respect the results can be quite gratifying. Yes respect along with ...safe... sane... and... consensual are the keys to success.