Listing PNP as an "interest" on RM

[+ WhamIAm]

I don't do drugs. I also don't judge.

 

Except -- within the last year 4 hires have gone into some kind of drug-induced hole and passed out in bed. Sometimes at very awkward moments. One guy was so out of it -- incomprehensible, could not sit up in bed -- I wound up knocking on his roommate's door (yet another bit of awkwardness I didn't know until I got there) to take care of him.

 

So, any RM post that includes PNP in the blurb is a non-starter. I also generally pass up those who have PNP in their "I am into" laundry list. But that means I pass up a lot of guys who otherwise really interest me. And, if every escort who lists PNP actually uses, well, that's kinda scary percentage-wise.

 

Anyways, from your experience/knowledge of your peers, is PNP just a regular check-off escorts hit as they zoom down the list? Guys who take clients who are into PNP but don't use themselves? Or, should I continue to avoid.

 

One obvious answer is "ask them". But, like asking about health, you can't rely on everyone to give you a straight answer and have to protect yourself. (And, one of my four was a guy I raised the issue with prior. He made a bit of a deal about "Good, I'm not into that either.")

 

All opinions welcome. Thanks.

[+ Tarte Gogo]

Can I ask: 4 problems out of how many guys?

I have never had a problem and I don’t actually check that PnP thing on RM.

Maybe I was just lucky.

[Rudynate]

I encountered a meth freak once during an upaid hookup. Somebody who knew him even told me he thought he was a meth freak. I got to his house and chatted with him - sure enough he was working his jaws and couldn't sit still for more than a few seconds. I just said I wasn't into it and left. I've never had a problem with hires. But then, it would be surprising, in the kind of guy that I go for, to encounter it.

[+ WhamIAm]

Can I ask: 4 problems out of how many guys?

I have never had a problem and I don’t actually check that PnP thing on RM.

Maybe I was just lucky.

More than a few, less than a horde. Let's say about a 15% pass-out rate?

 

PS -- after about 4 years of hiring and having a lot of great times, I've been on a horrible unlucky streak for a while, so maybe it's me.

[marylander1940]

I don't do drugs. I also don't judge.

 

Except -- within the last year 4 hires have gone into some kind of drug-induced hole and passed out in bed. Sometimes at very awkward moments. One guy was so out of it -- incomprehensible, could not sit up in bed -- I wound up knocking on his roommate's door (yet another bit of awkwardness I didn't know until I got there) to take care of him.

 

So, any RM post that includes PNP in the blurb is a non-starter. I also generally pass up those who have PNP in their "I am into" laundry list. But that means I pass up a lot of guys who otherwise really interest me. And, if every escort who lists PNP actually uses, well, that's kinda scary percentage-wise.

 

Anyways, from your experience/knowledge of your peers, is PNP just a regular check-off escorts hit as they zoom down the list? Guys who take clients who are into PNP but don't use themselves? Or, should I continue to avoid.

 

One obvious answer is "ask them". But, like asking about health, you can't rely on everyone to give you a straight answer and have to protect yourself. (And, one of my four was a guy I raised the issue with prior. He made a bit of a deal about "Good, I'm not into that either.")

 

All opinions welcome. Thanks.

 

Sober top, tipsy/high bottom.

 

If you want a guy with a hard cock, don't hire guys who list PNP.

Is also your choice as a client if you want to enable their self destruction with G, T, or whatever they're doing.

 

I would feel like I'm hiring this woman.

 

(picture courtesy of @Oaktown and his wonderful humor)

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by marylander1940

[+ WhamIAm]

I encountered a meth freak once during an upaid hookup. Somebody who knew him even told me he thought he was a meth freak. I got to his house and chatted with him - sure enough he was working his jaws and couldn't sit still for more than a few seconds. I just said I wasn't into it and left. I've never had a problem with hires. But then, it would be surprising, in the kind of guy that I go for, to encounter it.

 

Yeah, I'm a pretty vanilla, BFE guy (at least on first meeting) and thought my tastes would minimize the issue. Not so much lately.

[+ OliverSaks]

Can we calm down on the “meth freak” talk?

 

I know it’s a popular trope, but meth is a pretty nasty drug that is HIGHLY reinforcing (4x dopamine release of cocaine - highly rewarding and motivating) - it can ensnare the brightest and most beautiful, and unlikely people can fall prey. I think addiction is a symptom of people lacking connection (rat park experiment) or running on the hedonic treadmill (not being grateful and in the present moment)

Addicts deserve compassion, not labels that belittle. We should thank our stars that any pain we have ever felt has not led us down that path.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/body/

 

I’m sorry I’ve been a dick lately, sometimes (usually) I handle stress poorly. All these suicides, school shootings, etc are making me a little crazy (and sometimes going a little crazy on threads about these same topics...) xoxo

[biggerbilly]

I found out last week that a guy I once hired died of a drug overdose. I didn’t know he was a drug user at the time. While you cannot always tell who has an addiction, I wouldn’t have thought he of all people did. He seemed very clean cut, and told me how he was using the money he made to help out his family, but couldn’t tell that’s where it came from. He gave me great fitness advice, and looked extremely healthy.

 

Looking at his obituary, he came from an upper middle class family, who weren’t hurt for money. I’m certain all the money I gave him went to his addiction. While I cannot know how someone is going to use the money I give them, I can at least try to not do more harm by not hiring open drug abusers.

[+ OliverSaks]

I also try to not meet with people who are using T. I count myself very lucky over the years, but two bad experiences come to mind where the drug was involved that made me feel unsafe. The unpredictability is a little nerve-wracking, and as a delicate flower, I think it is prudent that I screen out this particular set of clients. I am very rational and open-minded when it comes to the use of mind and empathy expanding medicines, but T has no place for me (and apparently plenty of providers are happy to engage in this practice)

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Drugs are bad, m'kay. All sorts of 'good' people become hooked.

 

Asking people for an honest answer is difficult, especially if they're addicts. Just keep your eyes open and cut it short if things start going South.

[jcmiami1]

I was going to post something similar. I’ve noticed the trend where in their profiles it reads they go to the gym 5x a week, write they take care of their bodies etc but then put PnP/smoking on their checklist .

[+ Tarte Gogo]

26 hires in the year? Not bad.

More than a few, less than a horde. Let's say about a 15% pass-out rate?

[marylander1940]

26 hires in the year? Not bad.

 

26 x 250 = 6,500

 

Nothing's more personal than what we do with our money.

 

I was going to post something similar. I’ve noticed the trend where in their profiles it reads they go to the gym 5x a week, write they take care of their bodies etc but then put PnP/smoking on their checklist .

 

Makes no sense, besides they'll need a big budget to keep their hobby.

[Pulgasari1991]

I was going to post something similar. I’ve noticed the trend where in their profiles it reads they go to the gym 5x a week, write they take care of their bodies etc but then put PnP/smoking on their checklist .

It could mean that they are open to occasional use if requested, or that they don't mind if the client PnP.

[marylander1940]

It could mean that they are open to occasional use if requested, or that they don't mind if the client PnP.

 

[Pulgasari1991]

That's another story I'm not suggesting anybody to give those guys a chance or anything

[+ freecahill1965]

Can I ask: 4 problems out of how many guys?

I have never had a problem and I don’t actually check that PnP thing on RM.

Maybe I was just lucky.

I have not had an issue either with drugs any ways. I never check for pnp though.

[marylander1940]

That's another story I'm not suggesting anybody to give those guys a chance or anything

 

I'm glad to hear that.

 

We all know prostitution is illegal, right? Do we need to add another illegal activity to hiring an escort?

 

A cop could just call an escort who does PNP, ask him to bring party favors across state line to a hotel room, and show off how much the police department combats crime. Just a phone call away.

 

Isn't that how T.A. got caught?

Edited June 19, 2018 by marylander1940

[Pulgasari1991]

Isn't that how T.A. got caught?

I don't know him, but did he got caught like that, meeting a first-timer? That would be quite hazardous.

 

Do we need to add another illegal activity to hiring an escort?

I'm unsure about what you exactly mean with this. If A and B meet each other and PnP, who's "we"?

Are you suggesting that illegal activities furtherly solicit authorities to do crackdowns (for example against websites)?

Edited June 19, 2018 by Pulgasari1991

[marylander1940]

 

I'm unsure about what you exactly mean with this. If A and B meet each other and PnP, who's "we"?

 

 

Is like saying: Why would you add another illegal activity to hiring an escort? The use of WE in this case is colloquial and informal.

 

 

Are you suggesting that illegal activities furtherly solicit authorities to do crackdowns (for example against websites)?

 

If you're a police officer and you try to show off how much you're combating crime... why not going for escorts, mixed with soliciting, buying, using drugs... etc.

[rvwnsd]

...If you're a police officer and you try to show off how much you're combating crime... why not going for escorts, mixed with soliciting, buying, using drugs... etc.

It does not seem like sting operations are one-offs. The ones I've read/heard about are usually pretty well-organized. Additionally, almost 100% of stings I've heard of involve men "hiring" women, not men hiring men.

[rvwnsd]

Regarding the original question, I avoid escorts who list "PNP" as an activity.

[marylander1940]

It does not seem like sting operations are one-offs. The ones I've read/heard about are usually pretty well-organized. Additionally, almost 100% of stings I've heard of involve men "hiring" women, not men hiring men.

 

I am aware that most sting operations are about female prostitution. Some on here( @latbear4blk Honolulu and @Mikegaite Pittsburgh ) warned about stings on male prostitution but couldn’t give any information, in the first case he was bound to secrecy by the escort who told him about it.

 

I know local escorts who’ve been asked to take party favors to Northern Virginia crossing state lines. They were smart enough to say no.

 

The same method was used to put T.A. In jail for 10 years.

Edited June 20, 2018 by marylander1940

[+ JEC]

I have had 2 experiences with providers who were (unplanned by me) using meth when I arrived. It sketched me out. I don’t want my experience which I paying for to be tainted and (2) I don’t want the legal liability of being present with drugs and paraphernalia. So I’m avoiding PNP and providers who list it as a preference

Edited June 21, 2018 by JEC

[marylander1940]

I have had 2 experiences with providers who were (unplanned by me) using meth when I arrived. It sketched me out. I’m no prude and have dabbled with plenty of chems in my day, but (1) I don’t want my experience which I paying for to be tainted and (2) I don’t want the legal liability of being present with drugs and paraphernalia. So I’m avoiding PNP and providers who list it as a preference

 

I also avoid folks with ADHD and soft dicks, that’s pretty common on the PNP community or as @Eric Hassan mentioned meth dems.

 

We are glad you survived your “chem” past I am sure you are not alone on here

Edited June 21, 2018 by marylander1940