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I don't want to get into another deep debate about this, but as I've already said in previous threads...this will come and go and simply become another news story once the next big headline makes way. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/11/26/247379604/2009-flu-pandemic-was-10-times-more-deadly-than-previously-thought Obviously what's happening is a terrible thing that is going to shake up the biz, but so was 9/11, the 2008 recession, swine flu, and the AIDS outbreak (before my time). Look what happened after AIDS: the biggest porn names of all time were created, online male escorting took off, and here we are now. Once the restrictions are lifted, people will be back to their way of doing things. When the pulse nightclub shooting happened, gay bars in Orlando didn't see crowds for awhile. Eventually people came to terms and started getting back into the swing of things. But to answer your question: I plan to keep on trucking with it. I do need to make some changes here and there, but it's not an overnight process. You don't just stop working for yourself, and suddenly going to have something on the ready. As has been the case before this, I plan to situate myself in small markets and avoid the big cities. Recently laid off guys are coming on the scene expecting this to be something to fall back on, so we're going to see people coming and going. As of now, all of my regular clients want to see me...but we're in this stronghold of social suppression, and it needs to be lifted before anything can change.

I've actually been to both of them considering I do most of my tours by ground, and end up in different neighborhoods. I've been all around Boulder City, Henderson, North Las Vegas, heck even St. George Utah lol. But I didn't know those areas were bigger (which I suppose you mean more populated) than the Coachella Valley. I did always feel Palm Springs was a little getaway area. Twin cities would be Key West, Provincetown, and I even hear of a place in Michigan called Saugatuck or something like that. But it's supposed to be a bit smaller. Then you have Eureka Springs down in Arkansas which claims to be the most gay per capita residence nationwide. But they compare it to relative number of gays per the population. That said, in all my travels there's just nothing like palm springs. It is the adult Disney world. This year wouldn't of worked for me anyway because I went last year and again in November, but next season I'll likely make a return or go around my preferred October/November before or after gay pride (hint hint) @Oliver

That’s good? to know. But that could also indicate 2-3 years. However, like I had a conversation with Bryan Knight, I’ve been in the industry for over 10 years and have also seen it all. Even though each “event” is different, or more extreme, it still impacts in some way. For example: the Trayvon Martin/police riots, Orlando Pulse, and Presidential election events all took its toll temporarily on sex and the business in general. It just changes everybody's vibe. In Orlando, I ended up going 3 weeks and only had 1 client, when the Pulse nightclub thing happened. Eventually, and I’m sure at this point people can’t see because they’re so fixated on things “getting worse” and the “apocalypse”, but perhaps this too will simply become “news” down the line. As in, something that stays on the news for months, until the next big storyline replaces it. Then people move on and forget about it. That’s why I don’t buy into mass hysteria. At this point, people have forgotten about Y2K, 9/11, the Isis beheadings, the border wall, the Police beatings, the tornadoes, the refugees in Syria, the Hurricane Irma, the Shootings at Mandalay Bay, global warming, the antibiotic resistant gonorreah...and now its all about this virus now. And somehow now, THIS is the end of the world ?

All this is making me think about going out west again lol. It'll be interesting to see how some cities may change. Phoenix may become a little more homey, if California starts becoming more affordable. I know places like California, Arizona, Nevada and Florida are particularly sensitive to recessions. But last time I was in Phoenix and Tucson, both places fully recovered and growing nicely. Even though the middle of the country can feel kinda ho hum at times, I like being able to be in eastern or mountain time with just a day drive. Which gives close access to a handful of workable cities. Whereas trying to travel east out of California or Phoenix can take a couple days, and the towns are small and isolated. And yeah I was going to say palm springs is small...but I supposed when considering cathedral city and the whole valley, it could be as big as Las Vegas. However palm springs is like a small city that has the lifestyle as a Major metro. Obviously the gay scene rivals the bigger cities of Fort Lauderdale and San Francisco.

It sounds like you are fortunate enough to be able to do so. And it sounds like you may live alone. So you may not be in a “Big Brother/Real World” reality show situation, with people you don’t get along with round the clock. But not everybody has that “luxury” (which is not truly, but it is a privilege in some ways). To stay at home, alone and not run out of resources in a span of 3 or 4 weeks. And that would likely include a good majority of escorts. I often use this guideline from pat experiences of when things get slow: 1 week without a client, not ideal, but I can get by. May need to take a proactive approach 2 weeks without a client: things start getting real tight. All ads need to be paid and updated. May need to travel 3 weeks without a client: now I’m behind on bills, and likely depleted financially. A long tour to a different city is necessary. 4 weeks without a client: Dire straights. **And note, this is all assuming I’m not traveling. 1 week without a client when traveling, can quickly become like 4 weeks without a client, due to daily expenses. I’ve had that happen occasionally, and it’s not fun. In my case: before this all broke loose, I was in Florida staying in hotels from the day of the SuperBowl in February (nobody in Kansas City was hiring that weekend, plus I had an overnight in Key West later in the week) to mid-March. Once the brunt of the pandemic was out, life still went on. I stayed for another 3 weeks even after the 1st case was reported in Florida, mainly because I had responsibilities that weren’t going to go away. Hotels aren’t free. I still needed a place to stay, and a couple of people offered, but it was far from ideal, and one guy thought he could use my situation to be his personal servant/errand runner. Ah no ✋? ?. I have my own biz to tend to.

I’m referring to a bartender who operated as normal and didn’t over-serve (which most don’t with the amount of times I’ve been asked, “let’s have a shot”, and that one can prove the person wasn’t drinking elsewhere prior to the time (many guys like to “barhop”, and “pre-game). You’re saying “can be”, I’m saying what I have actually seen. And let’s step back from that example and reverse the roles. Let’s say the client is the one visiting the supermarket, picks up something, passes on to the escort, and he dies a week later. Would that make the client selfish and reckless? After all...who 1st initiated the contact? It’s not strange. “Reliable” refers to a car’s engine and transmission only. In that sense, even an occasionally neglected engine and transmission can and does make it past 250/300K. But it doesn’t refer to brakes, stuff that happens when hitting potholes, and electrical parts which are nowadays always remanufactured. Ask me why there’s a repair shop on just about every corner...going back to what I was saying, parts have a mind of their own. One of my friends has a 2016 Lincoln Continental, and was recently quoted $1,800 because of an issue with the rear sunscreen. They’ve barely had it for a year. Any car can be reliable if you just drive it from church/work and back. Any car can start having issues when you began to put it to extended use.

I just noticed you both have kept the same handles since 2002! So I applaud the consistency. Btw @Benjamin_Nicholas, since you were in the biz around that time, do you have an idea as to how long it took for things to get back to “normal”, or how much was the industry affected after 9/11/2001?

As someone who works on cars (me), me selling a workable hard d**k, personality, and clean upscale location complete with wine, porno and music going...versus selling a used car with miles and miles of PARTS that have a mind of their own, can’t be put in the same category. For example: I just had my starter replaced in February. And now yesterday and today, my car didn’t want to start. Thank goodness I took some clients last week, else I’d be fucked every which way from Sunday. I only used the drunk driver comparison as a way to remove the villainization aspect of someone. But ironically, even bartenders are out of business right now...despite the thousands of drunk driving accidents and deaths that occur yearly. BUT...you can still buy alcohol. So clearly, alcohol isn’t truly to blame. So sex shouldn’t be to blame either, for this pandemic (which again, isn’t even sexually transmitted ??‍♂️ So clearly it’s not the bartender’s fault if someone drives off a cliff, And clearly it’s not the sex workers fault if someone contracts corona.

Not the same. I’ve been touring Arizona and Palm Springs for years. Mostly Arizona. Despite them both being desert communities, they’re different. You can’t do in Tucson, what you can do in Palm Springs. The gay resorts, etc. It’s also less expensive in Tucson. Climate/Geography wise, Palm Springs can be similar...but one of my resident Phoenix friends says Palm Springs has a more refreshing nighttime feel than Phoenix. All the cities in the mountain west are the same difference, so to speak. Las Vegas isn’t Palm Springs, Palm Springs isn’t Phoenix. That said, Scottsdale is unique in that it’s a bit on a higher elevation than Phoenix, so you get more of the Saguaro Cactus ? growing in that area. Makes for a nice, upscale rustic feel. On my last visit to the area in October-November, I felt more at home in Tucson...whereas Phoenix seems to have become a suburb of LA (similar to how some say Milwaukee is a “suburb” of Chicago).

I get what you're saying. Trust me. You mentioned earlier that you weren't referring to moral aspects, but rather social responsibility. So therefore you can't use "karma" to dictate the outcome of what 2 consenting adults CHOOSE to do. They can choose to be in hiatus, or choose to meet up. But, the point I'm making, is that all those points you mention can be NORMALLY applied to all other forms of sex, which isn't between a married man and woman. Maybe we should all "do the right thing" and not have sex with married men who may be our clients, because that's karma. We shouldn't get paid period because, that's bad karma too perhaps. And no bareback or oral without a condom, because that's bad karma because one could potentially get an std from doing that. Do you think, your average bible thumper would agree that it's okay to be meeting a man for naked massages (lead me not to temptation), or sex, much less having it bareback, much less getting paid for it...while his wife or partner is not around? Would they suggest to just "watch porn" instead of have real sex? So how can we judge others, for doing the very things we're judged of? I'll leave it here: I'm not encouraging anyone to go out and have sex. One of my repeat clients recently told me he can't meet me because COVID will likely kill his wife. Did I go knocking on his door, demanding him to pay and have sex with me? No. I said I understand, and referred him to my JFF page. What I am advocating: don't judge or put shame on someone who is having sex. One may not agree with it (legalize), but that doesn't mean one should blacklist or criticize (decriminalize) a person's decisions to do what is necessary to get thru this.

“Little” risk: bad gonorreah infection, which is curable...but can lead to infertility and cancer. “Big” risk: COVID My thing is too: we don’t even know how long this is going to last. No time line is being given. It’s already been a month since the first case was reported in Florida. Not to mention, there’s so much emphasis on COVID and not on the “regular” cold and flu virus. What happened to those, is COVID so powerful that it just gobbled those up? Don’t we all get a cold once or twice a year? Unless COVID is a hybrid of a cold ? and a flu ?, with a sprinkle of ? bat stew ? Something just doesn’t seem right...but, I’m sure there’s enough info across the web to discuss that.

But I’m not comparing big risk/little risk. I’m comparing actions as a whole. You just said I shouldn’t be having meets if I’m not having these conversations. I’m saying people are having these conversations, but it means nothing as far as hookups are concerned. I never ask someone if they are negative, last been tested, or “clean”. Means nothing. They could have been tested today, fucked someone on the way to me, and give me something. Instead, I will check them and I will check myself. And I get tested.

That’ll mean as much as an application between 2 men about to have bareback sex: Are you on prep? Yes When have you last been tested? March Do you wear condoms often? Yes Are you Negative? Yes Great, based on your response, you’ve been approved! Let’s fuck raw ? Talk is cheap. If having bareback sex is going to likely kill me by the end of the week, I will make my own decisions, not based on the answers of another. Likewise, if COVID is a big risk factor for someone, they may want to make their own decisions accordingly as well.

There’s no karma to be had lol. Spiritual or otherwise. In your example, the escort would be asymptomatic. There’s no way to prove the escort picked up the virus from the supermarket, or that the client didn’t get it thru some other means. Even with that @hypothetically given context ? But idk, I can’t tell people what to do. I’m not here to do that. Obviously you want to abide by your local restrictions, to be on the good side of law and health. Trust me: when I’m sick, I don’t even want to look at porn. Let alone be concerned with me trying to have sex But at the end of the day, people are making up scenarios in their head, and then spreading them around as being “gospel”. That’s why the Bible has been so grossly misinterpreted over the centuries, because people took something that was written, and misinterpreted as being a “law” and breaking it is “bad”. There’s no mandates saying to wear a mask in public, no mandates saying you can’t meet your partner for sex, no mandates saying you could be held directly responsible for giving someone COVID.

I have a few jerk off videos and recently played with a toy up my *** on video the other week as well. But guess what? Clients still want real life visits.

Nope. I was born in 1987. Only heard of HIV. Actually...I’m wrong: isn’t aids the thing kids used to tease about? “if your index finger is shortler/longer than your ring finger, you’ve got aids”. “If your 2nd toe is shorter than your big toe, you’ve got aids”. I feel bad for the new generation of kids after this pandemic. Lots of kids are going to be falsely diagnosed with COVID. Very hard to litigate though. I’m on Facebook and follow a few bartenders I’ve known over the years. Non of the bars have closed or bartenders have been arrested, because some guy couldn’t handle his liquor, and wrecked his car and died. And it’s going to be much harder to claim a client died of COVID, because he visited an escort. Especially considering the number of cases going around.

Speculative. And that can apply to escorts too. What makes an onlyfans model more resourceful than a masseur or escort? Because they never had to meet anyone in person to make tons? Maybe I actually enjoy the real life aspect of making someone feel good. Not to mention, there’s a lot of bareback going on thru onlyfans. But WAIT! That’s on video, no in person meets are needed. It’s “different”, you say. That should answer your AIDS question.

Not my fault. He logged online. He texted me. He came over. The escort likely wasn’t aware of existing respiratory issues and even if he did, he didn’t point a gun at his head. Ditto with the drunk driver. He drove, he ordered drinks, he overdid it. Then killed himself or someone else. Not the bartender’s fault. I’m not saying the client is at fault or the drunk driver is merely a “he deserved it” situation, because Lord knows, we weren’t created to be doomed. But...it’s not fair to directly put the person who was asked to perform a task, at responsibility for something that really is inevitable.

I was really hearing you out, up until this part...it still insinuates a guy having sex lacks self restraint and is careless. It still puts them as being “at fault” and labels them “sex addicts”. Do you know that my last 2 clients haven’t had sex in a long time? Going back to the bartender and drunk driver. Bartender serves a drink, someone ends up dead. But it’s not because of the bartender serving a drink. The same bartender may have sold drinks to many people who arrived home just fine. He can’t be to blame for the one who ran a red light. In this case, it’s not the gay guy wanting to have sex who’s the blame. It’s the ones who manifested this....I’ll stop there because it’s going to get political and I don’t want to quote nothing that I can’t back up with references. But, I will reference this article which I think is helpful in defining the whole social distancing issue: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-social-distancing-and-self-quarantine%3famp=true

Fair enough, but the thing is...people are injecting moral responsibility into it. The tone is clear. People are making it out like it’s a big contagious ?, airborne STD. No. You are just as likely to get it from the cashier or postal worker, or place you ordered food from (and I know ALOT of gay men don’t like to cook...I have to wonder how they are getting by) who has seen dozens of customers at close range 8 hours or more a day, than you are from the 1 lone escort who hasn’t had a client all week....and could probably REALLY use the money because of what’s going on. So to hear people chastise sex workers for working, and blacklisting them, irritates my soul.

Thankyou. By no means am I disagreeing with you, but just inviting you to look at the bigger picture: And that liquid relief is doing what good for the body, exactly? Just quoting what you’re saying. And porn...isn’t that like the new drug? That leads to child rape, sex trafficking, erectile dysfunction, and trains people to see sex and human bodies as objects. Doesn’t sound safe to me. (I’m being very facetious here, but just playing the role of anti-porn activist.) Onlyfans is usually going to involve what? MEETING another human being, and having sex. And trust me, there’s 150,000 guys out here with an onlyfans page trying to make money jerking off. I don’t have time to be waiting around for someone to send me $10 a month, when I’ve got 2 cars due for maintenance YESTERDAY. Believe it or not, I can much quicker find $250/$300 from 1 client, than it is to find 1 person to pay $9.99 to subscribe to onlyfans. Not everybody can sell content. Not everybody can sell themselves. I choose to do what I can do. So if someone is going to judge or criticize what I do...regardless of the reason, don’t forget that there’s plenty of people who would condemn us just as much.

So basically what you're saying is: It's irresponsible and insulting to be available to the clients who have look us up, and contacted us prior, during and after the inception of this pandemic, because we provided them with a welcome escape from reality for a mere hour or 2 of time? Last time I checked, I thought what we did with our bodies was between 2 or more consenting adults? It's akin to saying how dare someone become a bartender and serve drinks...that's irresponsible and insulting to all the people who have been killed due to drunk drivers and overdoses. It must be extremely insulting considering liquor stores are still operating as essential businesses right now. It would be like me condemning the makers of Jameson Irish Whisky, or the car manufacturer Infiniti for a crash that took my friend’s life away a couple years ago: Everybody has a right to free will and choice. 2 people who choose to hookup and have sex in the privacy of their own home, is not going to make or break the fate of society. If that was the case, people would be practicing abstinence loooong before this, considering the abundance of STD and infectious diseases that have been around.

Both cities in my opinion, have changed. Nashville tends to be busy in the summer, but can be hit or miss at other times. I ended up having to drop a repeat client of mine who I’ve known for years. He reached out the 1st day I arrived, and seemed eager to meet. But then retracted because he lived by the BNA airport, which was more convenient to him. I had spent 10 hours traveling due to the “hurricane of pandemics” closures in Florida. From the airport to my place on the evening it was, would have just been 5 exits away and 20 minutes drive. So I basically had to say so long, ?? it was nice knowing ya. I love Wisconsin, it’s like my second home. But Milwaukee has changed business wise too. I spend most of my time going to the smaller towns around Wisconsin and the Capitol. Not sure when baseball will return, but in the summer, Milwaukee hotels are next to impossible to “score” due to the brewers and cubs games. So I try to factor that in. Plus summer itself tends to have a lot of other events on going as well.

It’s for that reason I stopped offering a 1 menu option awhile ago. I have a tier level system for my bookings. I personally don’t want to do an all out 300 session every time I meet a client. And sometimes a lower priced introductory session, can turn into a couple longer sessions down the line.

I’ve actually been toying with the new messenger, and gained a few clients from it so far. I think it does kinda satisfy the “Grindr” urge, in guys. Some guys like to just chat on the messenger platform first. But similar to Grindr, you don’t want to be pissing away time either. So I try to give it to them, but I been using auto-response to give details, versus getting trapped in a ping pong game of “hi”, “sup”, “available”, “rates”. If they can agree to the auto-reply and converse with a desire to arrange a session, then we can carry on via the app. I even talked with the webmaster last week about it, they extended the characters in their auto-reply. So they’re working on it, I think it’s innovative...but I keep it short and to the point. Anyone not following directions and keep asking questions, may get blocked.