JB_Studio38

This isn’t about flaky clients or time-wasters. It’s a general assessment of what I observe across Rent sites as a whole. Clients will contact me and suggest meeting, but then when it comes down to them having the time to set aside: it becomes a problem. Some basic insight about me: I’m a low volume provider, I do not live in the metro area of a major city. I’m not standing on a virtual street corner with a red light 🚨 on, waiting to be picked up. I have my time booked typically only 2 to 3 clients a week, more if I’m traveling and less when I’m home. It’s been that way for awhile. I used to enjoy and be able to accommodate high volume, last minute inquiries: but times have changed. Although I still do it every so often from the comfort of a hotel room, it’s not often that I can come across someone whose schedule matches up with each other short notice. That said, it’s a bit grating when a seeker asks to meet: but then it’s limited by time restrictions because they are busy with work, family, alternative plans etc etc. It puts me in a position where I feel I have to rush, cancel personal plans, upend my schedule etc to meet. Then suddenly it’s not sexy anymore. This is especially the case this time of year. With the sun going down earlier, I prefer to spend my daylight hours getting things done. I also live 1-2 hours minimum from ANY sex work action so: seeing a client earlier means cutting out 2-4 hours of my day to accommodate. Sometimes I can do that, most times: guys wanting to meet coincide with other things I already had considered getting done. Things that are many times, may be related to accommodating the session. Sometimes a 6 p.m. has to be moved to 8 p.m. Of course I always communicate with clients ahead of time and ensure whether or not they have any other plans in the vicinity of our time. However, when I’m actively in a city visiting, it’s usually only 10-20 minutes to get to a client. I can often get there sooner, but I’ve still found myself cancelling plans to accommodate. Say I get a 2 p.m., “are you available today” request. 9/10 they won’t be available after 5 p.m. It’s always, “oh I can’t do after that time, maybe next time”. Then I have to drop my plans or cancel on friends. Over the summer, I had a situation where a client wanted a same day booking on the same day a date of mine booked us a hotel. I hated turning down $400, but I agreed to meet the date first. The client was only in town for 1 day. In some cases I may have wanted to plan my schedule better, but other cases: I’m having even serious previous clients ask about a booking and then not being able to keep it because they already planned XXX and it leaves no time to meet. Maybe I’m just a bit intolerant at times, but I hate when someone reaches out for plans and then changes up to say they’re too busy to meet. Or I give them a time, but then anything after 4 or 5 p.m. is “too late”. Or they magically have dinner plans that I was never informed of. I understand we’re a business but: we’re also individuals. Meeting clients isn’t necessarily a routine thing. A different city, different neighborhood, different schedule is not always easy to plan within a day or 2 notice. But I do appreciate the clients who are willing to allow flexibility in their time. I’m even considering getting rid of doing hourly sessions all together and only offering 1 and 2 day engagements, that way an hour or 2 buffer won’t necessarily mean the entire booking is lost. However I know many seekers aren’t able to extend that much time with a provider at first.

In my experience: any kind of meeting for first time at a bathhouse or “sex shop” is bad business, regardless who’s at fault. Unless you can really trust the person or are experienced with bathhouse setups (I’ve met a client or 2 there before myself, but usually it was THEM who suggested it.) I had a client in Denver talk me into meeting him at a large sex shop with a private theater area. I was smart enough to ask him to meet me out front first before paying to go back there, but I was stupid to have even gone there in the first place because: he never showed himself, and was trying to get me to go in the back in which I would have needed to pay $10 to get in. What the fuck? You booking an escort, it’s not that kind of arrangement. I don’t think it was a case of a toxic provider, or you needing therapy. I think y'all were just a bad match and the escort wasn’t fully vetted for your compatibility. In the future: don’t agree to meet anyplace high risk, like a bathhouse, sex shop, car etc. And that police line he pulled was a very weak and lame tactic, him and his friend should have been banned from the establishment for impersonating a Police Officer. I would have reported him to the staff.

You’re right about that. I’ve heard from many guys who won’t meet in their home town even at a hotel. The Bentonville/Rogers/Fayetteville area does have potential: but the hookup scene there is so late 🚮 I’ve had back to back regrettable experiences, dealing with the dudes there outside of clients. I find it only worth going once or twice a year, even though it’s only an afternoon drive away. Last trip I did to Bentonville, I stayed for 2 days meeting 2 pre-booked clients. Before I left town, I had some “free time” and a hot “date” invited me to his hotel suite that had 2 beds and was like, “oh you can’t spend the night here, me and my husband have that agreement for hookups”. He was visiting from out of state. I was like what?? Well how about I leave now, before we go any further: that way I have enough time to figure out whether I want to stay in town or drive back home 😂 ended up just buying a couple new shirts and leaving town after that revelation lol.

Just to clarify: I don’t use the hookup apps for seeking. However, I still introduce myself where I can if someone reaches out. Sometimes something comes from it, other times not. But I have met some cool partakers from Grindr who would have otherwise not found me on RentMen because, nobody in my area knows of it. Most the guys looking for other guys in my region, are using the hookup apps. So it’s just making use of the only available resource for the most part. As for smaller markets I do agree, however there’s clients everywhere. Some of my best clients were from podunk towns. Many of the gays with money in the city, already have their tribe of hookups. It leaves me to rely on closeted or “retired from the gay nightlife” guys. That’s why I want RentMen to grow beyond just NYC and LA because the bigger cities aren’t always that great unless like you say: you’re really able to dish out tons of porn and have the marketing brand to put it out there. Which I’m doing now with content but, escort stuff is still more sustainable for me than trying to turn virtual stuff into big numbers.

I do but, I rather have genuine guys hitting me up versus seeing client after client with negative feedback. Or hearing my text alert go off, only to be offered yet another sugar daddy arrangement. But I do link my website in my ad which can be directed to my phone number Yeah or looking is ALL they’re doing. Looking but not booking. I always like to use the full 12 cities available and fill them with nearby and upcoming travel cities. However even then, RentMen.eu doesn’t really display on the main page like Rent.Men does. I’m often having to change my ad to a certain city in order to get better exposure, but then I get a lot of “are you available today/tomorrow?” But when I’m not planning to be in the area for a couple/few weeks it’s hard to ensure that same client will be available that far out. Not to mention, this year I’ve had to just bin/postpone a lot of trips either due to not enough confirmed bookings or having issues planning it. And although I travelled during the early part of the U.S. shutdown, I decided to hold on any other trips until things get situated. Plus it’s not been very booked. So lately I’ve just been advertising local within 2 hours away and then just doing other locations only once I’ve gotten a secured client before going. My regulars here know where to reach me, plus I prefer to have people contact me privately here versus actively advertising.

I’ve had to do the hidden number feature because one: too many spam sugar daddy texts day in/day out. Very annoying especially when days go by with no clients from the site. Also, too many game players would contact when my number was public. No real intention of booking and it would just detract from the enjoyment of the site.

Grindr is exactly the app I refer to not use lol. And by cheap, I don’t mean the rates they offer: I mean like, they will block/flake at any mention of being for hire and even if it’s no premise of pay for play, they often expect the other guy to cover rooms solely on their own dime and/or travel to their place even if it’s far away. Gays will grub-hub/door dash/Uber willy 🍆 nilly, but expect hookups to come for free even if it involves the other party booking hotel to host or traveling across town when it’s inconvenient to do so. RentMen is great for what it is, but I am a little annoyed that they don’t seem to be pushing to get the site on other platforms. I wish with all the annoying gaming ads Grindr has, they would advertise RentMen ads. RentMen could also be advertised on adam4adam, since many prospective there also don’t know about RentMen.

Been away, but by decided to stop back by and check on my fellow fellows… But something been on my mind, and that’s me wondering if RentMen can increase its presence. I feel it is popular in the big megapolis cities, but I’ve been going on some trips lately where I’m just not getting hardly any meets from RM. The nearest main cities to me are Kansas City, Tulsa, Wichita and St. Louis. There’s also Bentonville in Arkansas (headquarters of Walmart). I can go on hookup apps (which shall remain nameless lol) and be hit by messages left and right with people wanting to meet (often moreso pretending). Meanwhile, I can be “available now” and platinum boosted and still get nothing from RentMen for days. Granted, I’ve moved to taking my number down publicly and used the signed in member option only for displaying number. And right now I’ve frozen my ad for a few days until I’m ready to go on my travels simply because too many days have gone by in my local area without a booking from it, and in case anyone doesn’t know: Gold ad is not free, so the more it sits the more time is running out. I wish RM had the popularity of Craigslist back in the day, where it could work in just about any big or small town. However I’ve used it this year in Dallas, Houston, Denver, Nashville, Detroit, and a few other areas. I’m still getting bookings from it, but I have talked to guys in person, and many of them have no idea what RentMen is. Some cities have no ads running. Or like 1 or 2 guys. I can understand it may be hard to encourage guys to pay in a society that promotes getting sex as free and/or cheap as possible. Hookup app men are NOTORIOUSLY cheap and I’m getting to where I don’t even want to hookup outside of clients anymore, as the willingness to do even basic spending from hookup app men seems to be at an all time low. But sometimes I concern RM may lose popularity so much and then not be as lucrative of a site.

This is why for the past few years, I require a deposit good towards the session and have an option and nominal “consultation” if they want to talk to me beyond the essential details. I’ve tried to go back to the “old days”, but kept reverting back and now it’s a natural part of my meetup process. My patience dealing with flakes is best managed by limiting the amount of guys who can book without any upfront confirmation. Plus, the gay escort “scene” has been in decline: despite there being more guys, there seems to be less guys serious about booking anymore like they were 10-15 years ago. Thank hookup apps and fewer access to sites. But even then flakes have always been an issue. Just back then, PayPal, Apple Pay and cash app have made it easier than ever to incorporate. Regardless of what anyone says about deposits: there’s too many crazies and flakes out there, cat fish, guys who want to wind up the competition, etc etc. And for every 1 bad story a client has about getting scammed, we could probably name 50. Also, in-calls can typically be the ones that don’t follow thru the most. I don’t host from home anymore, I haven’t for over a year now. So there’s no way I’m going to front hotel costs without a deposit. The clients who are uncertain about a deposit, will usually book a room for our session instead, in which case I may see them at my discretion…which includes verifying room number and attendance. However when it comes to regular hookups outside of biz: it’s a different playing field. They’re more likely to be or show up to the meet. I think when money is involved, it comes with a different attitude.

Well at least you gave him something for his effort. Kind of how like the game show Jeopardy gives contestants $1,000 even if they had a 0 score. So don’t feel pissed or ripped. That said, part of it is the pitfalls of hooking up with strangers, and trying to find other options when your plan A isn’t available. And unfortunately when deciding to “go with someone else”, there’s no guarantee that other person will live up to your expectations as the 1st pick may have. And not saying you should have done this but, that’s part of why it’s good practice to be somewhat versatile “if” the opportunity presents. That way you’re not totally reliant on their dick or ass working, to get pleasure 😜

I’ve seen it happen where fairly old bills, especially from the 70s-90s: may look counterfeit on a detector and won’t be accepted by an ATM deposit machine. Couple or so years ago I had a $100 bill given by a client from like 1970s. I held onto it for a few days, but then when I went to my bank: it wouldn’t take in the ATM. The teller then tried to claim it was counterfeit after their digital scanner said so. I wasn’t in trouble, but they kept it and sent it off to the National treasury in DC. for “verification”. About 6 months later, I received a check for $100 from the bank saying it was authenticated 🤦🏽‍♂️ It seems to happen every so often I’ll get an older bill, and it’s a task to figure out where to take it. Earlier this year I was in Dallas at one bank, non of the 2 ATMs would take the bill. I went to another branch of the same company and it accepted it. There’s also a website or 2 out there, where you can look up the serial number of the bill, and it’ll be able to verify its authenticity. There’s certain things to look for. Well, not necessarily. I have had the occasional client claim they can’t take out XXX amount of money because the spouse or accountant will wonder why there’s been that much withdrawn. Overall, as an update: I don’t mind cash. However I have noticed since my initial post, more are willing to use alt methods to confirm and the cash as a main exchange. These days, just about everyone who is looking for “purchases” online has some knowledge of cash app/venmo or similar apps. Usually the ones only wanting to do cash, say so because some other advertiser scammed them on a deposit or something. Its still no guarantee of not getting scammed as I’ve heard of even cash paying clients getting “taken” for a ride. And not the one that feels good 😂

Sir by all due respect: there is no negativity or combative nature. I stated my points in this thread in a factual manner. My issue is, every time I discuss something that you find different than how YOU think or believe advertisers/sex workers should operate: you have to then make some flippant comment, or talk about how it’s whining and complaining; and that’s disrespectful. Because when you minimize someone’s experiences and discussions, and then try to poke fun: that makes you look no better. Instead of telling me what I need to do outside of the forum, why don’t you start speaking to me with some respect and credibility? Acknowledge my experiences and challenges, instead of just acting like I’m some starving artist who has no experience and knows about anything except whining and complaining? Let’s start there. Then if you actually have something positive to recommend to me, you would go out of your way, and meet or speak to me privately: not on a forum where you can earn clout.

I was simply quoting what you said. It’s fine if you decided to double-back and edit what you meant, but regardless of how you sweet n low or Splenda it up: You can’t get miffed because I agreed with what YOU said 🤷🏾‍♂️ Yes the numbers will show that the average and majority on RM are flakes and regardless of which side it is, browser or advertiser: we both have to do things to protect their time. However, it’s never going to carry the same weight. I’m not really here to say how clients should do that. I’m just making suggestion as it pertains to this topic of deposits.

And, what are you going to do about it? Don’t like it, stop reading it ✌you have so much to say, yet so little alternative to offer. You’re part of the pack mentality I refer. Big part.

Dude, stop ✋🏾 You’re always talking about somebody whining, complaining and moaning. YOU are the one doing it the most! All I said is, if someone is LOOKING on a site where those who are there are paying $100 to advertise: there shouldn’t be a surprise if there are some who choose to ask for a monetary confirmation. I don’t know where you get $100 for a ad being a reason to take deposits. I was referring to the costs of doing other things, such as upfront hotel and/or travel or even just local outcalls where the possibility of getting stood up is present.