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So when you say you cancelled: At what point in the conversation was it? There are many traveling masseurs: are you reading reviews and checking for credentials off the site? (Website, business cards etc) Even if someone does that and goes about it in a way @SecretProvider mentioned, that new burner number can still end up on the list.

Maybe, maybe not. For better or worse. I have heard the stories about $500+/hr quotes etc. Nowadays, it’s not the same as before where desperate guys were getting into the industry: people are coming on as “content creator/social media influencer” exclusives, looking to tap into the allure of rich overnight come ups. Failing to realize, lots of the average guys looking for m4m are cheap as fuck and really don’t want to pay: I even had an aspiring friend send me a video of a guy on insta, claiming to have made like $1,000 just for going to a guy’s hotel and cursing him out for a few minutes. And newcomers actually THINK; that’s how you “make it” in the biz 🤦🏽‍♂️ Lot of people trying to be tik tok and insta sex workers, unfortunately all it’s doing is making it more mainstream and less appealing to clients. It’s not necessarily good news by any means. Especially in a country that hasn’t made the progress to define it as a legitimate enterprise.

Companion here but, first step is to acknowledge and recognize individual escort boundaries and things they may have to contend with. Versus dismissing them as unimportant or placing all the blame on the sex worker. Be open to different perspectives, don’t lump everyone into the same category, and don’t expect all escorts to be willing to take the same level of risk. Accept others experiences as valid, and have an open mind to change. Don’t be crabby, clownish, or condescending when communicating with escorts. If you want our services, check the profiles and be willing to follow directions. All basic stuff but, all ways to prevent a situation from becoming mismanaged.

Hmm, idk about that one. It shouldn’t be just 1 side trying as hard. Both have to do the work, even if one is getting paid. In my experience, clients who feel that way: often do the same old setup and don’t try to switch things up themselves. Like there’s some, who only want to meet at their place. That’s fine if that’s the arrangement, but sometimes the same setting gets stale. A hotel or trusted 3rd party might be a good move to keep things fun.

It’s important to recognize that. And the industry is very location dependent right now. Some cities just aren’t producing many in person meets at all. Either they are too filled with other rent guys, or the city doesn’t have enough “gay” money (like I said, some cities claim growth, but the growth in gay wealth is invisible or non existent). I’m grateful I’m not just starting out, and have select regulars I can stay in touch with.

Just noticing this, but I concur. That’s basically what I’ve been working to do. Sometimes it doesn’t always work though as it can take awhile for someone to notice in the smaller towns. Whereas the bigger cities often always have people looking. But problem is, there’s just SO many guys to look thru. I’m not a client though so, I can’t say what’s too much versus not enough to look thru. When I look at California, towns in Florida, the northeast: the pages of ads just keep scrolling as more and more guys show up on the list. It’s way more than it was 15 years ago. What happened, did more guys grow up and become open to being MSM sex workers over the last 20 years??? Or is something else going on 🤔 That said, I did help someone direct to RentMen on an alternative platform recently. Its anonymous but he basically said:

That’s true, to an extent. Unfortunately in a country that continues to stigmatize and not decriminalize sex work, and a large swath of LGBT community being anti-pay for sex (many guys put this in their profiles): being business savvy isn’t necessarily a free pass to success. I post lots of pics on RentMen, have tons of reviews, everything that seems to be successful. But my region is cheap guys who don’t want to pay, and if they do pay: they expect $150-200. At $300/$400 most these guys come around very seldom. Some guys will say even $150 is too much. They want to pay $80. Not to knock someone’s ability to give, but I can’t wear myself out at $100 seeing 10 guys to get $1,000 (hypothetical scenario), and then be expected to provide cum and hard dick each time. And in regards to the guy with the new Porsche, you never know what people are doing or how they got what they have. I know people driving BMWs and Benz’s, but can’t afford to go to dinner. But they’ll go and make another guy spend their money on them instead. I’ve been a “victim” of such tactics myself. Once went on a date with a guy who drove an Audi TT, he ordered lobster and a couple drinks in addition to my meal. I wasn’t expecting to spend $160 on food that night, but fortunately it was a 1 time learning lesson about him and we ended up just being acquaintances because: how I look being someone’s sugar date, when I’m contending with trying to manage my own business lol.

I thought we were going to discuss bottoming dietary restrictions 🙊 Or maybe you need to prep your brats better

This is actual relevant info to the question posed. Also, RentMen though I appreciate them: doesn’t necessarily do us as much justice than sites like RentMasseur and even former sites like RentBoy/Men4Rent. Without rates, you almost don’t have a functional platform. If you have to answer “how much” 100 times a day, and only a couple book in a week: how many hypothetical messages do you answer? I’ve reminded RM in private a few times to consider allowing rates, because with no rates and no nude photos: It’s feeling like Grindr 2.0. And Grindr is taking over as the main place to meet in places under 1 million in population, but hardly anyone is paying or wants to pay a fair price on Grindr. Not to mention the extreme amount of time waste spent trying to use it for P4P. The auto reply feature is great for providing more info, but the problem is like you say: 99% just read the auto reply and then don’t do anything as instructed. It’s good to have some filter before the initial contact.

So when we talk about dates, I don’t particularly like that feature, but that’s the only way to be listed in a city outside of the 4 hour max distance that’s allowed. But I have always stated in my ad that travel dates are approximate. Despite the feature being available, putting dates is almost putting the cart before the horse. I put them up because that’s what I have to work with, but right now my current strategy is to only go to where I’m invited. Or sometimes I’ll just move my entire ad to a different state or city on and off with no dates. Also, even advertising dates in a city: I’m finding it’s not always getting enough exposure. I won’t show on the main page on RentMen.Eu but I will on Rent.Men. I don’t always know which version clients are using, but I find I get more hits when I directly move my ad to an area. So throughout the week, I’ll just post in other cities I plan to visit. And please don’t focus on a provider coming to you, hoping to get other work as being a burden. Trust me, I do that all the time and most times I end up booking other clients in cities surrounding it, even if it’s different than the one the client is in. That’s part of going to places by invite. For example, I have a client who invited me to 1 town, but over the course of the week I went to 5 cities all within 2-3 hours away, and it was a productive mix of more clients, a crush, and meeting with friends I met at a camp weekend last month. It was not a case of me going JUST for that one client, BUT: I needed to have some definitive purpose to go at all. I think some clients over think it, and try to think ahead of me. Stop 🛑 lol. Just plan the session, and confirm. Don’t try to figure out what I’m doing, or what other reasons I’m there for. What’s worse than going to a city for 1 client? Going to a city with NO clients, and then trying to scramble to find someone in a short period. That’s why I said, I’m not reliant on travel dates. It’s all about going where I’m invited. If someone can’t properly invite me, I’m just not going to bother going. The gay pay sex scene right now has become very strategic. Too many people pretend they want to meet, but then they go silent. I have rows of emails from clients in other cities, who never text me to confirm anything. Or they expect to handle everything via email where they take 5-6 hours to reply back to a message. It’s so annoying, when time moves fast and I have to make decisions about where I’m going to be, each day. I’m just not doing any unnecessary risk taking, and if I do there needs to be an anchor client who’s reliable to make it worth it. Otherwise I just won’t go.

Likewise cheers 🍻 Trust me I know, but you know what? So be it. As we’ve seen lately, it’s hard to get people to agree on things. BUT, I still feel when people can see a different perspective they can be open to change how they go about things. I’m not here to argue or fight because nobody here has done anything wrong specifically. However, it’s just a general conversation about people who utilize the RentMen platform. I don’t know why some people here want to resort to making it like it’s an attack on ALL clients (it’s not). It’s more so discouraging a way of trying to coordinate travel that’s not helpful for either side, not a particular person. There’s many cities on RentMen that have NO escorts listed. I’m in the Midwest, outside of Chicago and Minneapolis: there’s cities that may only have few to nobody. Some aren’t particularly small either, but they’re far out, have no gay bars, and just no real male sex work lifestyle at all. That’s why I say there has to be some sort of plans that I expect to have a client on schedule. That being said, I try to detail as much as I can in the 2,000 characters RentMen allows us. The problem is, people don’t seem to have much direction on how to book us. RentMen lets us throw out a bunch of cities, and show ourselves: yet guys really have no clue on what it means. People just have to accept, not every escort is going to be open to dash off to a city by default. I know some people have the advantage of either having a work conference, alternative travel career, or in my case: friends and family who live in the travel cities we advertise. Sometimes I still find myself going to cities, even with no clients pre-booked. I did that in Denver earlier this year, I did it in Detroit also. And Dallas. I just happened to know people there already. Sometimes it works out, many times it doesn’t. I just can’t operate on a maybe/maybe not schedule. Guys forget: when I go to a city I need a place to stay. That’s hotel money. It’s gas money. And I can’t rely on some vague RentMen and RentMasseur emails to be a deciding factor. People’s communication on the platforms aren’t that great, and sometimes it takes hours for people to reply back. Most travel cities I go now, I need 24-48 hours notice minimum. But I’m still advertising weeks in advance. If I happen to take on someone short notice, great. But it’s not a strategy I rely on.

Excuse me if this has been discussed already elsewhere but, it doesn’t seem the issue has been solved. So, I occasionally travel to Wichita Kansas area and was just there in a town outside of it. But this has been the few times I’ve noticed: There’s a plethora of hot guys all about 33 miles away, which is most likely in the Wichita area. Some of these guys, I’ve recognized personally from Twitter and who live in other states. But as I’m looking further, idk if A4A just happens to have a default server for the area or what. But it’s real weird how profiles keep surfacing. And Cheney Kansas is a small podunk town in middle of Kansas. It makes no sense, but it’s definitely making the A4A platform less profitable to where I’m not getting as many clients, hardly any because apparently these are all fake accounts. Notice how all these profiles are 25 miles away. Which is weird because even when I was there with GPS on, that’s what is showing near: Now here’s actual Wichita amount of guys (me in the towel lol): and here is Cheney Kansas stats:

I’m not at all ashamed. You should be ashamed for being a clown out of character. Who are you to question my credentials, are you paying my travel and hotel bills to criticize what I can or can’t do? Can you stand 10+ years in MY industry? And I’m not talking about being Ronald McDonald ✋🏾 Yes I have been in the biz awhile, and it’s because of that which is why I’m less inclined to take on unnecessary risks. Traveling to a city without anyone scheduled is one I don’t want to take. You talk about taking 2 hours to put on makeup? Well have you sat in a car for 4 hours traveling to a city, then booked a hotel and waited 12 hours for nobody to show up? And then been stuck with the cost of gas and hotel to get there and back? Also nobody is mocking client’s intelligence. You sound overly sensitive and prejudice. You don’t understand because you think the practice should be seamless and easy. But unless you’re actively in the industry yourself, you can’t really understand how things could be better than what it’s portrayed. Even today I had an example, and I’ll post it what I said on another website: It’s THAT type of stuff why I don’t travel without confirmed bookings. What I will do is, revolve my schedule around the clients who can be considerate and respect my time. Then I go about my business and schedule. I’m NOT going to be waiting around or driving around town to town aimlessly waiting for people to figure out what the hell they want to do. I have a life.

I’m glad you asked but: I’m not about to go down the rabbit hole of defending what I like or don’t like about the industry. It’s not so much about me not liking the job. It’s more to do with; a combination of RentMen’s approach of telling clients what our ability for travels are, versus what we are actually capable of doing. Which is likely all variable by the provider. It’s great that RentMen and other sites allow us to advertise 6-12 cities at a time, all of which I’m happy to visit. However, there isn’t a default promise that I’m just going physically be in those cities without real money being expected. Well like I said above: each provider may have differing methods for serving travel cities. I list travel cities because I can drive to them BUT: people have to be willing to coordinate properly. I actually had to explain to 2 potential clients recently: just because I have a city listed doesn’t mean I’m just going to show up there by default. Some of these cities “nearby” are up to 4 hours away. To do that on same day notice or without any real clients confirmed is not possible. Even when I’ve done that once or twice, after a few times of sitting in a hotel for a night or 2 with no clients: I eventually come to recognize there needs to someone waiting before I go there. I know that’s not possible in every city, but even last year I went out to Palm Springs for a night and a day on a Sunday as a “me” night, but also hoped someone would book. I spent $180 on a hotel but the few hours I had the hotel for, nobody ended up showing up. And nights like that, I end up going on hookup apps meeting someone to fuck for free, just to get money’s worth out of the hotel cost. However, that’s not necessarily an outcome I prefer to have. It’s almost a last ditch effort that I end up regretting because I spent money AND my cum. Which means even greater loss. I only like to do free hookups AFTER I get a paid client. And trust me: I can cum twice in a night 🤣 Ha, thanks. But I also have some advice for you via Cardi B 🤣 “Now let's talk about this hating ass bitch Ungrateful ass bitch Fake friend ass bitch, a clown ass bitch On the 'net, kick your friend while she down ass bitch” Jokes aside: my point is, if you’re going to give advice be genuine. You seem spiteful, why are you miffed with something I have to deal with? That’s not a good characteristic of a clown:

Lol, I suppose it’s true. The “how to get a woman to be attracted to you” franchise never goes out of business. And they’re also looking for the same. At least with gays, sex is the appetizer not the entree. Fuck first, date after🤪