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Did you surrender? Because of poor massage, your lack of interest, dignity, or the "other activities" weren't worthy?

I think this thread can easily be renamed to "LINDORO"

Luckily I haven't had those kinds of experiences. Plenty of straight guys out there who are willing to cum for money. I can indulge in the pleasure of seeing a straight guy with limitations but I won't repeat as I will feel I'm not getting value for my money. Luckily the guys I see are flexible and they can cum during the session provided that I pay more than for just the massage (the extras). ?

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Dear @Unicorn, I'm loving this thread. Please keep us updated.

Who's "Lindoro"?

I feel like the search filters of RM will yield better recommendations.

SO! a couple months ago I was in the checkout line and I wasn't even paying too much attention to the cashier. While I was looking for the card in my wallet I couldn't avoid looking at his hand grabbing his cock. I looked up and he was a handsome long haired young guy (18 at most) and he started making conversation. I just replied with short answers but while keeping the conversation going he grabbed his cock at least 6 more times in less than 2 minutes. The whole interaction lasted probably less than 5 minutes and I know I probably lost a good chance of having fun but I completely stranged by the situation and wouldn't know what to do or say to show in a discreet way my interest. I haven't seen the young man again in the store. I wonder if someone else didn't think his behaviour was appropriate and complained to the manager.

I did this one. Unfortunately the clerck wasn't attractive at all

As I don't like receiving calls myself, I'm more flexible with that and I actually do respect it and keep the communication to text or IM if requested. I will even understand if they don't respond at the moment because I'm aware I'm not the only one messaging them. But, especially if we have already met once and I'm asking them to meet another time and they ignore me for days, and their next message doesn't include some sort of apology or something engaging that would make me want to reestablish communication, don't expect me to get back to you just because you need to make some more money.

Lol, I'm calmed down. I was just expressing my opinion. I just don't think it's ok to normalize wrong behaviour or deem it as acceptable or comprehensible. I see you are now saying "some they purposefully mean to be that way" and not only "he doesnt have a concrete answer yet". It's all good, I don't mean controversy but rather sharing my POV and helping others, who might be going through the same ordeal as the OP, to realize that it's not an industry-standard that one as a client must accept, because there are providers out there who are responsive and reliable, regardless of their age range.

I will never approach anyone on IG who is not on RM because I won't be overcharged out of looks for an unknown performance. But if I did, I would have at least 5 suggesting pics and hashtags on my IG profile before sending a message. Pics and hashtags that would send the message of who you are and that you are interested in hiring a young man. I remember a friend who'd blatantly post photos of his car, boat, expensive watches, etc along with #sugar, #daddy, or #sugardaddy. Some IG muscle guys here in Toronto have on their IG some pics at the gym, and other pics in DIFFERENT living rooms, and no gf pics. To me, that's a clear sign that one can message and eventually ask for something specific, but one must be prepared to be overcharged because they are "instafamous", and without a guarantee about what you'll get as performance because after all, they are "straight" or "influencers", and "not an escort". That's the advantage one gets with RM where there are at least some ratings based on the performance of the provider with other clients.

It probably applies to clients with low self-esteem, i.e.: some of the submissives into muscle worship. Or those into ONLY a very specific/scarce type of provider, i.e.: straight, or less than 25 yo, or big ripped muscles, or X" inches. Once the providers realize some clients are willing to allow such disrespectful acts of disinterest, they make it a behaviour. Of course, it's also a duty of us as clients to mark the limits and in doing so, teaching the escorts that there is only so much that we'll tolerate.

I don't get why some defend this disrespectful, self-centered behaviour. It's clear that if the client is texting them to try setting something up, it's to GIVE THEM MONEY. They are considering you a less important client at the moment, or are uninterested in you, or don't think you deserve a 1-line polite reply. This is not the lack of a skill, it's just being stupid.

I know it's not personal but I also have no personal obligation to reply back after they have ignored me. And believe me when I mentioned about those who fall in niches or don't last in the market. I have quite a few providers who are below 30 and are very responsive and respectful, and because of this, obviously smart. They get my dollars.

My regular is taking time off for himself and also because of COVID ? but we'd normally see each other several times over a year, every 1 or 2 months.

There is something weird with his body. He's fit and all but there is something off.

It's the way it has been for a long time now. I'm older than you and I have already accepted it and almost embraced it. When a provider leaves me unsatisfied and dares to message me for a 2nd meeting I just ignore him. They get the message. I don't know if this serves any consolation but those are the kind of providers that get reduced to a niche (less business) or don't last in the market. They know what they do but they also lack any sense of shame. The youth lacks social and communication skills and are also short-sighted, that's a fact. The excuse of being used to impersonal ways of communication is just that. They can ignore you for months but will text you back just when they need something from you. I ignore them back ?

Yes, well, this is not the first time I get a purely therapeutic massage from a man but it's the first time one intentionally brushes his semi-hard c*ck against me so this was all new to me. This is definitely a lesson learned. I won't be doing anything from now on, just be myself and enjoy the next two sessions. He already lost me and my tips with his queen attitude. I suppose he doesn't mind but I no longer care either. I'm too old to keep playing mind games. In my experience, a real straight man confident of his sexuality, either heterosexual or heteroflexible, gets flattered, actually flirts a little bit, even more, if you are alone with him and no one is watching. He'll let you know if he allows you to play with him with or without limits, and if not he will ask about your wife/gf or talk about his, in order to dissuade you from making any additional advances and move the conversation to other topics, but never making any drama out of it, always keeping it professional. Those who react with drama or aggression, are other gay men or the homophobic ones, who are just unresolved closeted cases. This guy can go find someone else to play his tricks.

Yes, I think this was that case but I strongly believe he's a heteroflexible queen. Otherwise he would not have 5-star reviews from gay men. Some straight men are like cats. I've had guys already in my room, with me grabbing their cocks and about to start everything and all of a sudden they say "I can't do this", and leave. Probably he just freaked out when he saw shit was starting to get real. I think his reaction would have been different if I was younger or if I waited a bit longer to make any advances.

Oh no no. I didn't misread anything. I know what I felt and he knew what he was doing. Maybe, maybe the arm move was too aggressive but just as it was dramatic the 2 steps away from the table, and the other things he did. I'll keep using the massage for what it is because it's obviously a lower rate than a massage with full service with my go-to guy from Rentmasseur.

Hi, thanks for the advice. Before applying the advice previously received here I was planning to keep my pants on and asking for a full body massage depending on what happens on the next sessions. I am not sure that by getting my pants off I necessarily sent a wrong message because after all he started everything right from the first session. What I mean is that he knew perfectly what he was doing so I take that if he took a couple steps back now he's basically playing games and risking his tips or losing me as a client. I think now it's too late to put my pants back on in the next session but as I said before I have other legit masseurs that provide me with full service so I have no regrets based on what I did.

Not sure if this counts as a contract service but I've had sex fun several times with taxi drivers.

I'm having so very bad luck trying to get laid lately that I might just go bird watching to the Amazon for some real action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY:33

Sorry for the late update. I wasn't being a tease. I was collecting my facts and thoughts for a full report of what happened last night: When I arrived, the door was open but the studio was dark and completely empty so I thought there was nobody in there. I picked up my phone to call and confirm it was the case so I could just leave. Then he popped up and asked me to follow him to his room. We were, indeed, completely alone in the studio. When we walked into his area there was this amazing smell in the air. When I walked into his room I noticed he lighted up some candles. He asked me to get undressed and get on to the table. He said "take your time" before closing the door. While I was undressing I noticed a small monitor showing in CCTV the entrance of the studio. I didn't remember it from the 1st time I was there. I got undressed just leaving my nicest dark grey boxers on, so he'd notice the color contrast under the drapes when coming back in. Sorry, @Daverwr I don't own or use jockstraps. I also slightly opened my legs as per @azdr0710 recommendation and put my arms above the drapes so they could be more at reach from the edge of the table. It's not a wide table, that's how it was easy for him to rub his c*ck against my elbow the first time even though I had my arms closer to my body on that occasion. Btw, I know what I felt the 1st time @coriolis888 I'm old enough to realize when someone is rubbing his c*ck against me and not another body part. I also lowered the drape below the middle of my back, closer to my butt. Before, I had it a bit above my middle back because we had only discussed the upper back. He did massage my middle back this time. When he came in, there was maybe 1 min of silence while he was preparing. I was thinking "maybe he noticed my boxers under the drape". I believe he noticed that this time my arms were on top of the drape so right before starting he said: "I'm going to put my thighs by the side of the table so I can start the massage", and he did, so he started massaging and I could feel his thigh rubbing against my elbow. He then started making some conversation about working from home and people wearing suits and underwear during zoom calls. I thought he was trying to introduce the topic of underwear in our conversation so I told him that I normally wear shorts or underwear while I work from home. Not sure if that was the right or wrong answer. As I said before I'm a zero when it comes to the "one thing led to another" game. In any case, I was just letting him lead the session as everyone suggested. When he turned around to look for some more oil I took that as a chance to send a subtle sign so I moved my right arm a bit more towards the edge of the table. I think he noticed when he turned back because right before continuing with the massage on that side, he tapped my elbow in a light but assertive way without saying a word. I reacted instantly, slightly moving my elbow closer to my body. And this time he didn't even put his thigh by the side of the table. He instead took 1 to 2 steps away from the table and extended his arms to keep massaging my back's right side. I believe from that point everything went downwards. He became less chatty, most of the rest of the session was in complete silence except for me trying to reestablish some sort of conversation which of course I failed at. And different from the previous session, no moaning at all while applying more pressure on my back. I actually followed your advice, not to the point of saying "yes, that feels good" or moaning myself, but I took some deep inhalations and exhalations that were easily interpreted as signs of relaxation and that he was doing a good job at relaxing my muscles, which he did not react to, at all. From that moment, the rest of the session felt like an eternity, with both of us in silence. I believe at some point he got closer to the table on the right side but I could only feel something like a paper or envelope in his pocket, that was it. Just a few minutes before finishing the session he asked about my plans for the long weekend which I replied to that I was just going to stay home and relax (after all, those are pretty much the government guidelines since we are in the 2nd wave of Covid). I decided to just keep silent and let him do his job. When he finished he softly grabbed my arms and put them below the drape and brought it up to the level of my neck and pressed with his hands on the area he was just massaging while saying with a soft voice "I'm doing this to remove the oil off your back". Then he left the room, said again "take your time", and closed the door. When it was time to leave I just went to his desk to pay. Since he decided to step back and keep the flirting off I also decided to step back and keep my generous tip from the first session. He didn't even ask "if/when will I book the next session", or "I hope to see you soon", or "you still need more work on your back, let's schedule the next session on ... ". He just said: "I'll see you when I see you." These are some confirming/conflicting signs that have kept me thinking since last night: He didn't ask/mention if I have a wife, or girlfriend, not even in the 1st session. Neither did he mention his girlfriend in this one. He didn't talk about sports or other "straight" topics, neither he mentioned his girlfriend as a way to dissuade me from any advances. I checked his reviews and I discovered there are at least 5 5-star reviews of young handsome gay men. Perhaps there were cameras inside his massage room and that was the reason he was "behaving" so much? I don't care anymore. Perhaps underwear after the prior session I had my pants on was too much too soon? I don't care anymore. Conclusion: I'm not looking forward to anything more to happen but I will complete the other 2 sessions (doctor's orders) just because he's good at what he does (I have a lot less pain than during the first session). I will provide little to no tip though. And after the last session, it's over. The fantasy was good while it lasted but I do have well-certified masseurs among my go-to guys here in Toronto and 1 of them is actually straight and provides me with amazing full service (massage + all extras) with no false hopes or fuzzle. We're just waiting for Covid to be over as he's also taking some time off from work. Ontario seems to be entering a 2nd lockdown due to a steep increase in Covid numbers and we need to be careful.