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Harry and I disagree on John. He's one of my biggest disappointments ever

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

I've never known the "Nick" now advertising to be much out of shape. Maybe not quite the "6 pack" at times, but a great body nonetheless. I certainly agree the other "Nick" with whom he worked previously (I don't see their joint ad anymore) was useless. I hired them once together, then saw the currently advertising Nick from then on alone.
 
I stand by my previous comments. If you like the photos I don't think you will be disappointed with the experience. But do see him solo and don't overspend on a 4 hands situation.

It's a shame. His look is hot. But sometimes, the desire goes away when they open their mouths!

Jeffrey provided me a good strictly therapeutic massage, but his rentmasseur ad suggested that there were more possibilities. He took his shirt off half way through the massage

What a dumb thing to put in a profile, particularly in a business that is so reliant on connection and ease.

"Culture of outrage" seems unnecessarily political (and anti-Left). Everyone got his meaning. I just think there is a lot of good will towards Kenzo--I obviously need to see him!--and no one wanted him to feel anything but a welcoming embrace. Here's a hug, Kenzo: MMMM!

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

Ask 5 different masseurs what their definition of "Mutual Touch" is, and you will get 5 different answers. There is no "one" definition of what mutual touch is during a massage. It varies from masseur to masseur.

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

I've found you don't even need to put your hands over the edge of the table. Just put your arms where they just hang over the edge a bit or are just at the edge where the guy could brush your arm. If i get one crotch brush it might be a mistake. If I get a second, he's probably good for some touching; I maybe start by brushing his leg or butt when it's convenient. If I feel his crotch pressing against my arm for a bit, I know the likelihood of his shorts coming off is really good.

There's no need for me to quote the entire post, but LAdude424's analysis is spot-on. I'll add one more thing...
 

 
I think it's also worth noting that if a masseur isn't open to mutual touch, they can very easily position themselves slightly out of easy reach. If your hands are resting on the table and the masseur "accidentally" brushes against them with his crotch, it is absolutely not an accident, it's an invitation.

I have often find that even without asking a masseur will encourage me to touch him by any of the following:
 
(1) when I'm face down on the table, position himself so that his cock is in my palm as he kneads my back,
(2) while standing above me, gently make sure his cock rubs my cheek,
(3) when massaging and stretching my arms, place an arms between his legs and say "it is ok."

Everything is sort of a trade off. I have another masseur who gets hard right away, kisses me (French), and we both cum. That’s not pasha. But the guy I describe—his massage is beyond amateur and not at all satisfying. With Pasha you get a guy with a body to die for who gives an A+ massage. It’s all a trade off. Sometimes I want the fun and almost no massage and other times I want a great massage that’s sensual erotic and I get off.

There was some discussion of that in the "Nick" thread above. Nick didn't look dissimilar enough for me to get my wits about me enough to immediately turn around and go. The guy was nice and cute, and the massage was okay, but I don't like supporting that kind of deception

Hey, Jason, the massage was okay. He was attentive, but the whole vibe was tense. He hardly spoke and kept all his clothes on. As for the pictures, I don't know how to attach them. The link here asks for a web address, but I only have them as saved pics.

In his interview he says:
What are 5 things you can’t live without?
The gym, beach, sun, sex and Fox News!
 
The first four I love, but I'm afraid the fifth is a hard-on killer.

There was some discussion of that in the "Nick" thread above. Nick didn't look dissimilar enough for me to get my wits about me enough to immediately turn around and go. The guy was nice and cute, and the massage was okay, but I don't like supporting that kind of deception

He's not the only recommended massage guy on this board who doesn't respond to calls for an appointment. If a massage guy does not return my call, I move on. I do not want to be with a massage therapist who does not appreciate my business. If you're too busy to take new customers, then kindly tell me so. I may try to contact you in the future when it's very likely you'll need a new income source.
 
It seems to me, some of these guys don't do this work full time or don't want to do massage on a regular schedule, or they only want to work when they're in the mood or need money, perhaps.
 
I know from experience some guys get worn out. Burned out. If you don't love the work or you quickly tire of building a happy ending following where that's all the customer cares about, burn out can easily happen. The HE customers who don't care about massage really want sex, no matter what form that takes. Imagine the constant pressure of having to give more to men you don't find particularly attractive as a means to keep your loyal customers "happy."
 
It takes a lot of energy to give a good massage. Add the pressure of jacking off guys until they cum, and I imagine a very exhausting day. My arm and hand hurt just thinking about it. Sure, it can be fun and rewarding, with certain clients. But 5 times a day times 5 days a week. I'd be dead.

Warning: I was catfished by a guy using these pictures, using the name "Jayhot": https://rentmasseur.com/sJAY

Keep calling them out!

Sexy guy. He's on Rentmen too: https://rentmen.eu/MigueLlo

Strong recommend against as well. He's a sloppy mess

'Agree to charge that high of a rate its almost assumed that something will happen. So when it doesn't huge let down and disappointment with the masseur. At those rates you shouldn't have to signal or hint. But if you do and still nothing happens - well either the masseur should do that OR charge less.