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This post is problematic, particularly in the context of m4m massage. What the linked article designates as "enthusiastic consent" may be the ideal for some people--particularly in non-remunerative kinds of sexual exchange (which m4m massage isn't)--but it is not only wrongheaded but a refusal to engage in dialogue to call all other kinds of sexual exchange "wrong" and any form of consent that doesn't involve detailed questions and answers about all aspects of the encounter "coercion," "intimidation," and "assault."
 
 
One thing that strikes me here (and, honestly, in many of the threads on this forum) is the implicit condemnation of providers and expressions of perceived superiority by many of the clients who post. I've heard just as many complaints from masseurs about clients who grab their dicks or expect sex when that is not agreed to or advertised, as well as clients who don't show up, show up late, or refuse to pay the agreed upon price. Many clients who post on this site gleefully describe what they get away with or how they got escort service for the price of a massage. The disjuncture between the acceptance of these behaviors and attitudes on the behalf of clients and the outrage-more-than-outrage (calling for an unnamed masseur to be publicly shamed, to have his business ruined, even to be reported to the police) suggests a denial about the actual power dynamic at work in m4m massage and the sense of entitlement many of us bring to the scene. It’s not to say that masseurs are angels or victims; they’re people and workers who are more or less good at their jobs. We clients are the ones, however, holding the purse; the ones who get to scroll through pages of (usually younger and better-looking than us) possible masseurs and select the one who suits our fancy; the ones who get to say, "I want this and this kind of intimacy but not that kind or that kind" (Masseurs only have the right of refusal); and the ones who feel free to go on this public forum and ridicule masseurs in every possible way. It all smells of the classic disrespect (to use the mildest word possible) for those who provide the body and sex work that is so valuable to all of us.
 
I've tried to stick to the post that originated this conversation in my comments. That post does not describe a person with a history of abuse (although there might be) that made him vulnerable in particular ways. It does not describe an incident of drugging ("Massage bliss" does not deprive a person of the power to consent). It does not describe being physically overpowered or a fear of being physically overpowered. It does not describe a masseur who ignored an expression of lack of consent (“no means no”). Most of all it DOES describe a context in which a sexual encounter (erotic massage) was requested and agreed to. It describes a masseur who did any number of acts that pleased the client which, apparently, were not cleared in advance (and which were they to be non-consensual, would be sexual assault). The post suggests that the non-verbal refusal of consent (turning the head to the other side) to the offer of oral sex was respected by the masseur. The non-refusal of consent in the non-verbal request to penetrate anally (the brushing of the penis against the ass, while on top of the client) was apparently taken by the masseur to mean consent. The non-refusal of consent once the penetration began was apparently taken by the masseur as affirmation of consent.
 
The value of this thread, for me, is not to trash an anonymous masseur--and especially not to trash the poster--but to discuss the m4m massage experiences we have. The initial post made me thoughtful about my expectations from men who are only in the room with me because I am paying them, about my comfort level around sex generally, and about my relationship to sexual spontaneity, including the use of condoms. Something has seemed not quite right about the perhaps majority opinion on this site that one should be clear in advance about exactly what one expected from the massage. Reading and thinking about this thread has helped me understand that my discomfort with communicating explicit requests to a masseur who has not met me and expecting him to match them is not because I'm excited by the unknown (I actually wish I could always count on certain things in an erotic massage). I think it's because it's dehumanizing to treat a masseur like someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, dignity, or moods. It's my privilege as a client to not only have a strong sense in advance of who and what I'm getting (unless their ad is misleading, in which case I can just walk away) but also to punish them economically if I'm not satisfied (by stiffing them or trashing them on a site like this). In our dehumanizing imagination of masseurs, however, we expect that, sight unseen, we are entitled to require them to do precisely this and precisely not that in the massage. It's why I try to accept the broad parameters of an erotic massage. There are minimum, generally understood things that define a massage as erotic (partial, usually total nudity), mutual touch of some kind, and contact of some sort with the clients ass/penis. Once we meet and--especially the masseur who is getting a look at me for the first time--begin to get a sense of each other, those parameters get specified. Beyond the bare minimum implied by the term "erotic," I have to accept what occurs when they do or don't respond to my signals. Too many of us feel that a couple of hundred bucks entitles us to anything with another human being.
I hope every client reading this thread and this forum understands that some erotic massages lead to fucking, which many of us, many times, desire, and that many people fuck without a condom, unless one asks otherwise. I hope every masseur reading this thread understands how attentive he needs to be to a client's signals (and lack of signals), especially regarding something as fraught as anal sex.

Believe it or not, I didn't know the term SJW. I had to look it up. Thank you for the info. Now back to this regularly scheduled thread, which is actually quite worthwhile, IMHO.

This post is problematic, particularly in the context of m4m massage. What the linked article designates as "enthusiastic consent" may be the ideal for some people--particularly in non-remunerative kinds of sexual exchange (which m4m massage isn't)--but it is not only wrongheaded but a refusal to engage in dialogue to call all other kinds of sexual exchange "wrong" and any form of consent that doesn't involve detailed questions and answers about all aspects of the encounter "coercion," "intimidation," and "assault."
 
 
One thing that strikes me here (and, honestly, in many of the threads on this forum) is the implicit condemnation of providers and expressions of perceived superiority by many of the clients who post. I've heard just as many complaints from masseurs about clients who grab their dicks or expect sex when that is not agreed to or advertised, as well as clients who don't show up, show up late, or refuse to pay the agreed upon price. Many clients who post on this site gleefully describe what they get away with or how they got escort service for the price of a massage. The disjuncture between the acceptance of these behaviors and attitudes on the behalf of clients and the outrage-more-than-outrage (calling for an unnamed masseur to be publicly shamed, to have his business ruined, even to be reported to the police) suggests a denial about the actual power dynamic at work in m4m massage and the sense of entitlement many of us bring to the scene. It’s not to say that masseurs are angels or victims; they’re people and workers who are more or less good at their jobs. We clients are the ones, however, holding the purse; the ones who get to scroll through pages of (usually younger and better-looking than us) possible masseurs and select the one who suits our fancy; the ones who get to say, "I want this and this kind of intimacy but not that kind or that kind" (Masseurs only have the right of refusal); and the ones who feel free to go on this public forum and ridicule masseurs in every possible way. It all smells of the classic disrespect (to use the mildest word possible) for those who provide the body and sex work that is so valuable to all of us.
 
I've tried to stick to the post that originated this conversation in my comments. That post does not describe a person with a history of abuse (although there might be) that made him vulnerable in particular ways. It does not describe an incident of drugging ("Massage bliss" does not deprive a person of the power to consent). It does not describe being physically overpowered or a fear of being physically overpowered. It does not describe a masseur who ignored an expression of lack of consent (“no means no”). Most of all it DOES describe a context in which a sexual encounter (erotic massage) was requested and agreed to. It describes a masseur who did any number of acts that pleased the client which, apparently, were not cleared in advance (and which were they to be non-consensual, would be sexual assault). The post suggests that the non-verbal refusal of consent (turning the head to the other side) to the offer of oral sex was respected by the masseur. The non-refusal of consent in the non-verbal request to penetrate anally (the brushing of the penis against the ass, while on top of the client) was apparently taken by the masseur to mean consent. The non-refusal of consent once the penetration began was apparently taken by the masseur as affirmation of consent.
 
The value of this thread, for me, is not to trash an anonymous masseur--and especially not to trash the poster--but to discuss the m4m massage experiences we have. The initial post made me thoughtful about my expectations from men who are only in the room with me because I am paying them, about my comfort level around sex generally, and about my relationship to sexual spontaneity, including the use of condoms. Something has seemed not quite right about the perhaps majority opinion on this site that one should be clear in advance about exactly what one expected from the massage. Reading and thinking about this thread has helped me understand that my discomfort with communicating explicit requests to a masseur who has not met me and expecting him to match them is not because I'm excited by the unknown (I actually wish I could always count on certain things in an erotic massage). I think it's because it's dehumanizing to treat a masseur like someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, dignity, or moods. It's my privilege as a client to not only have a strong sense in advance of who and what I'm getting (unless their ad is misleading, in which case I can just walk away) but also to punish them economically if I'm not satisfied (by stiffing them or trashing them on a site like this). In our dehumanizing imagination of masseurs, however, we expect that, sight unseen, we are entitled to require them to do precisely this and precisely not that in the massage. It's why I try to accept the broad parameters of an erotic massage. There are minimum, generally understood things that define a massage as erotic (partial, usually total nudity), mutual touch of some kind, and contact of some sort with the clients ass/penis. Once we meet and--especially the masseur who is getting a look at me for the first time--begin to get a sense of each other, those parameters get specified. Beyond the bare minimum implied by the term "erotic," I have to accept what occurs when they do or don't respond to my signals. Too many of us feel that a couple of hundred bucks entitles us to anything with another human being.
I hope every client reading this thread and this forum understands that some erotic massages lead to fucking, which many of us, many times, desire, and that many people fuck without a condom, unless one asks otherwise. I hope every masseur reading this thread understands how attentive he needs to be to a client's signals (and lack of signals), especially regarding something as fraught as anal sex.

This post is problematic, particularly in the context of m4m massage. What the linked article designates as "enthusiastic consent" may be the ideal for some people--particularly in non-remunerative kinds of sexual exchange (which m4m massage isn't)--but it is not only wrongheaded but a refusal to engage in dialogue to call all other kinds of sexual exchange "wrong" and any form of consent that doesn't involve detailed questions and answers about all aspects of the encounter "coercion," "intimidation," and "assault."
 
 
One thing that strikes me here (and, honestly, in many of the threads on this forum) is the implicit condemnation of providers and expressions of perceived superiority by many of the clients who post. I've heard just as many complaints from masseurs about clients who grab their dicks or expect sex when that is not agreed to or advertised, as well as clients who don't show up, show up late, or refuse to pay the agreed upon price. Many clients who post on this site gleefully describe what they get away with or how they got escort service for the price of a massage. The disjuncture between the acceptance of these behaviors and attitudes on the behalf of clients and the outrage-more-than-outrage (calling for an unnamed masseur to be publicly shamed, to have his business ruined, even to be reported to the police) suggests a denial about the actual power dynamic at work in m4m massage and the sense of entitlement many of us bring to the scene. It’s not to say that masseurs are angels or victims; they’re people and workers who are more or less good at their jobs. We clients are the ones, however, holding the purse; the ones who get to scroll through pages of (usually younger and better-looking than us) possible masseurs and select the one who suits our fancy; the ones who get to say, "I want this and this kind of intimacy but not that kind or that kind" (Masseurs only have the right of refusal); and the ones who feel free to go on this public forum and ridicule masseurs in every possible way. It all smells of the classic disrespect (to use the mildest word possible) for those who provide the body and sex work that is so valuable to all of us.
 
I've tried to stick to the post that originated this conversation in my comments. That post does not describe a person with a history of abuse (although there might be) that made him vulnerable in particular ways. It does not describe an incident of drugging ("Massage bliss" does not deprive a person of the power to consent). It does not describe being physically overpowered or a fear of being physically overpowered. It does not describe a masseur who ignored an expression of lack of consent (“no means no”). Most of all it DOES describe a context in which a sexual encounter (erotic massage) was requested and agreed to. It describes a masseur who did any number of acts that pleased the client which, apparently, were not cleared in advance (and which were they to be non-consensual, would be sexual assault). The post suggests that the non-verbal refusal of consent (turning the head to the other side) to the offer of oral sex was respected by the masseur. The non-refusal of consent in the non-verbal request to penetrate anally (the brushing of the penis against the ass, while on top of the client) was apparently taken by the masseur to mean consent. The non-refusal of consent once the penetration began was apparently taken by the masseur as affirmation of consent.
 
The value of this thread, for me, is not to trash an anonymous masseur--and especially not to trash the poster--but to discuss the m4m massage experiences we have. The initial post made me thoughtful about my expectations from men who are only in the room with me because I am paying them, about my comfort level around sex generally, and about my relationship to sexual spontaneity, including the use of condoms. Something has seemed not quite right about the perhaps majority opinion on this site that one should be clear in advance about exactly what one expected from the massage. Reading and thinking about this thread has helped me understand that my discomfort with communicating explicit requests to a masseur who has not met me and expecting him to match them is not because I'm excited by the unknown (I actually wish I could always count on certain things in an erotic massage). I think it's because it's dehumanizing to treat a masseur like someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, dignity, or moods. It's my privilege as a client to not only have a strong sense in advance of who and what I'm getting (unless their ad is misleading, in which case I can just walk away) but also to punish them economically if I'm not satisfied (by stiffing them or trashing them on a site like this). In our dehumanizing imagination of masseurs, however, we expect that, sight unseen, we are entitled to require them to do precisely this and precisely not that in the massage. It's why I try to accept the broad parameters of an erotic massage. There are minimum, generally understood things that define a massage as erotic (partial, usually total nudity), mutual touch of some kind, and contact of some sort with the clients ass/penis. Once we meet and--especially the masseur who is getting a look at me for the first time--begin to get a sense of each other, those parameters get specified. Beyond the bare minimum implied by the term "erotic," I have to accept what occurs when they do or don't respond to my signals. Too many of us feel that a couple of hundred bucks entitles us to anything with another human being.
I hope every client reading this thread and this forum understands that some erotic massages lead to fucking, which many of us, many times, desire, and that many people fuck without a condom, unless one asks otherwise. I hope every masseur reading this thread understands how attentive he needs to be to a client's signals (and lack of signals), especially regarding something as fraught as anal sex.

This post is problematic, particularly in the context of m4m massage. What the linked article designates as "enthusiastic consent" may be the ideal for some people--particularly in non-remunerative kinds of sexual exchange (which m4m massage isn't)--but it is not only wrongheaded but a refusal to engage in dialogue to call all other kinds of sexual exchange "wrong" and any form of consent that doesn't involve detailed questions and answers about all aspects of the encounter "coercion," "intimidation," and "assault."
 
 
One thing that strikes me here (and, honestly, in many of the threads on this forum) is the implicit condemnation of providers and expressions of perceived superiority by many of the clients who post. I've heard just as many complaints from masseurs about clients who grab their dicks or expect sex when that is not agreed to or advertised, as well as clients who don't show up, show up late, or refuse to pay the agreed upon price. Many clients who post on this site gleefully describe what they get away with or how they got escort service for the price of a massage. The disjuncture between the acceptance of these behaviors and attitudes on the behalf of clients and the outrage-more-than-outrage (calling for an unnamed masseur to be publicly shamed, to have his business ruined, even to be reported to the police) suggests a denial about the actual power dynamic at work in m4m massage and the sense of entitlement many of us bring to the scene. It’s not to say that masseurs are angels or victims; they’re people and workers who are more or less good at their jobs. We clients are the ones, however, holding the purse; the ones who get to scroll through pages of (usually younger and better-looking than us) possible masseurs and select the one who suits our fancy; the ones who get to say, "I want this and this kind of intimacy but not that kind or that kind" (Masseurs only have the right of refusal); and the ones who feel free to go on this public forum and ridicule masseurs in every possible way. It all smells of the classic disrespect (to use the mildest word possible) for those who provide the body and sex work that is so valuable to all of us.
 
I've tried to stick to the post that originated this conversation in my comments. That post does not describe a person with a history of abuse (although there might be) that made him vulnerable in particular ways. It does not describe an incident of drugging ("Massage bliss" does not deprive a person of the power to consent). It does not describe being physically overpowered or a fear of being physically overpowered. It does not describe a masseur who ignored an expression of lack of consent (“no means no”). Most of all it DOES describe a context in which a sexual encounter (erotic massage) was requested and agreed to. It describes a masseur who did any number of acts that pleased the client which, apparently, were not cleared in advance (and which were they to be non-consensual, would be sexual assault). The post suggests that the non-verbal refusal of consent (turning the head to the other side) to the offer of oral sex was respected by the masseur. The non-refusal of consent in the non-verbal request to penetrate anally (the brushing of the penis against the ass, while on top of the client) was apparently taken by the masseur to mean consent. The non-refusal of consent once the penetration began was apparently taken by the masseur as affirmation of consent.
 
The value of this thread, for me, is not to trash an anonymous masseur--and especially not to trash the poster--but to discuss the m4m massage experiences we have. The initial post made me thoughtful about my expectations from men who are only in the room with me because I am paying them, about my comfort level around sex generally, and about my relationship to sexual spontaneity, including the use of condoms. Something has seemed not quite right about the perhaps majority opinion on this site that one should be clear in advance about exactly what one expected from the massage. Reading and thinking about this thread has helped me understand that my discomfort with communicating explicit requests to a masseur who has not met me and expecting him to match them is not because I'm excited by the unknown (I actually wish I could always count on certain things in an erotic massage). I think it's because it's dehumanizing to treat a masseur like someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, dignity, or moods. It's my privilege as a client to not only have a strong sense in advance of who and what I'm getting (unless their ad is misleading, in which case I can just walk away) but also to punish them economically if I'm not satisfied (by stiffing them or trashing them on a site like this). In our dehumanizing imagination of masseurs, however, we expect that, sight unseen, we are entitled to require them to do precisely this and precisely not that in the massage. It's why I try to accept the broad parameters of an erotic massage. There are minimum, generally understood things that define a massage as erotic (partial, usually total nudity), mutual touch of some kind, and contact of some sort with the clients ass/penis. Once we meet and--especially the masseur who is getting a look at me for the first time--begin to get a sense of each other, those parameters get specified. Beyond the bare minimum implied by the term "erotic," I have to accept what occurs when they do or don't respond to my signals. Too many of us feel that a couple of hundred bucks entitles us to anything with another human being.
I hope every client reading this thread and this forum understands that some erotic massages lead to fucking, which many of us, many times, desire, and that many people fuck without a condom, unless one asks otherwise. I hope every masseur reading this thread understands how attentive he needs to be to a client's signals (and lack of signals), especially regarding something as fraught as anal sex.

I agree, interesting thread.
 
I, too, have been in situations that caused me to freeze, and I'm not the freeze type. None of them were sexual, but the trauma made me think deeper about my reaction.
 
I have also been with massage therapists who wanted more sexually. When that happened, even though I was in the massage cloud, I quickly became alert and pulled words together to discuss intentions. Luckily, I had no problem controlling those situations. I'm upfront with sex talk.
 
The HE massage experience is fraught with potential danger. It's very important for the customer to know what those dangers are if he wants to protect himself.
 
Many gay guys want silence and anticipation to be part of their massage fantasy. With this type of customer, it's impossible for the MT to read someone's mind. Without direct communication, the MT could easily turn into a very horny guy looking for his own version of HE.
 
Some guys do not want to be penetrated, especially without a condom, or take cum in the mouth, so it's very important that those customers tell the naked MT about this limit. Customers who have certain don'ts usually have no difficulty voicing those particulars.
 
HE massage therapists who think it's OK to penetrate a customer without permission could very easily find their lives ruined. Not worth the risk.

Billy is the best! https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/13043/
 
https://rentmasseur.com/BodyworkbyBilly

Harry and I disagree on John. He's one of my biggest disappointments ever

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

I've never known the "Nick" now advertising to be much out of shape. Maybe not quite the "6 pack" at times, but a great body nonetheless. I certainly agree the other "Nick" with whom he worked previously (I don't see their joint ad anymore) was useless. I hired them once together, then saw the currently advertising Nick from then on alone.
 
I stand by my previous comments. If you like the photos I don't think you will be disappointed with the experience. But do see him solo and don't overspend on a 4 hands situation.

It's a shame. His look is hot. But sometimes, the desire goes away when they open their mouths!

Jeffrey provided me a good strictly therapeutic massage, but his rentmasseur ad suggested that there were more possibilities. He took his shirt off half way through the massage

What a dumb thing to put in a profile, particularly in a business that is so reliant on connection and ease.

"Culture of outrage" seems unnecessarily political (and anti-Left). Everyone got his meaning. I just think there is a lot of good will towards Kenzo--I obviously need to see him!--and no one wanted him to feel anything but a welcoming embrace. Here's a hug, Kenzo: MMMM!

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

Ask 5 different masseurs what their definition of "Mutual Touch" is, and you will get 5 different answers. There is no "one" definition of what mutual touch is during a massage. It varies from masseur to masseur.

Thank you for bumping this thread. I wasn't around when it got started.
 
I don't go to spas, so my history and expectations are for private masseurs.
 
I rarely choose therapeutic only masseurs, since m4m massage is a sexual (in the broadest sense) and emotional experience for me. If the masseur explicitly advertises sensual/erotic or charges (as of Aug 2019) $150 or higher per hour, the understanding is that he will be partly or (usually) completely nude, that I will touch their body in some ways, and that they will probably handle my ass and cock. If those conditions aren't met, I feel misled. There's a wide range of possibilities in these three things, however, and that, for me, is where respect for the masseur's desires and limits come into play, as well as the chemistry between us.
 
Most masseurs are good at signaling their boundaries and desires. I have never asked about mutual touch (I think most m4m masseurs in the range I am describing assume most clients would like it) and I believe that not asking has created a more organic experience of mutual touch. I've only had a couple experiences of disappointment.
 
Ah, he is performing a stretch, and when he places my hand on his chest, his waist, or his thigh, I slowly start to carress. My arm is hanging off the side of the table, and he rests a hairy legs against it for me to stroke. And when I flip over, after his hands have been so kind to me, so, so much beautiful body to touch.

I've found you don't even need to put your hands over the edge of the table. Just put your arms where they just hang over the edge a bit or are just at the edge where the guy could brush your arm. If i get one crotch brush it might be a mistake. If I get a second, he's probably good for some touching; I maybe start by brushing his leg or butt when it's convenient. If I feel his crotch pressing against my arm for a bit, I know the likelihood of his shorts coming off is really good.

There's no need for me to quote the entire post, but LAdude424's analysis is spot-on. I'll add one more thing...
 

 
I think it's also worth noting that if a masseur isn't open to mutual touch, they can very easily position themselves slightly out of easy reach. If your hands are resting on the table and the masseur "accidentally" brushes against them with his crotch, it is absolutely not an accident, it's an invitation.

I have often find that even without asking a masseur will encourage me to touch him by any of the following:
 
(1) when I'm face down on the table, position himself so that his cock is in my palm as he kneads my back,
(2) while standing above me, gently make sure his cock rubs my cheek,
(3) when massaging and stretching my arms, place an arms between his legs and say "it is ok."

Everything is sort of a trade off. I have another masseur who gets hard right away, kisses me (French), and we both cum. That’s not pasha. But the guy I describe—his massage is beyond amateur and not at all satisfying. With Pasha you get a guy with a body to die for who gives an A+ massage. It’s all a trade off. Sometimes I want the fun and almost no massage and other times I want a great massage that’s sensual erotic and I get off.

There was some discussion of that in the "Nick" thread above. Nick didn't look dissimilar enough for me to get my wits about me enough to immediately turn around and go. The guy was nice and cute, and the massage was okay, but I don't like supporting that kind of deception

Hey, Jason, the massage was okay. He was attentive, but the whole vibe was tense. He hardly spoke and kept all his clothes on. As for the pictures, I don't know how to attach them. The link here asks for a web address, but I only have them as saved pics.

In his interview he says:
What are 5 things you can’t live without?
The gym, beach, sun, sex and Fox News!
 
The first four I love, but I'm afraid the fifth is a hard-on killer.