tradehunter

Not long ago, this was exactly my thinking, but today this feels more like judgmental slut-shaming. PrEP has changed everything. Outside the U.S., where PrEP is still rare, expensive and hard to get, it seems like most guys are still using condoms, but my recent experiences in the U.S. have been that most guys I've met strongly prefer doing it bare, and don't even ask if you don't bring it up. Afterwards, I've often had casual conversions with these guys and most of them extoll the virtues of PrEP, too.

 

Of course, this conversation isn't complete without discussing all the other STIs which PrEP offers no protection against. The PrEP prescription protocols dictate quarterly screening for all of those, and, in my opinion, this early detection and treatment has secondary public health benefits.

You beat me to the punch. Gonhorrea syphillis chlamydia herpes crabs etc cant be prevented with prep.Sometimes what ppl call slut shaming is simply givin ppl a hard dose of reality. Hiv took alot of lives and many ppl werent interested in learning from it. If you could sit alot of ppl down personally you will see alot of carelessness and wanton disregard was at play. Very few ppl were/are ignorant of hiv n how to prevent it. They just chose their fun over their safety n the safety of others.

I do think it is rude. Someone's HIV status is no one's business.

Indeed, it is also pointless as several friends point to.

Rude and pointless.

I dont think its rude but its pointless. Right up there with are you a cop? Any guy who barebacks is pretty dumb imo. Clients dealing with guys who bareback are not too wise either. Be safe and always act as if someone is positive. The days of being willy nilly with your body ended over 40 yrs ago. Yes there have been improvements but is hiv worth the risk of a cheap thrill? That is not that cheap when you think about it.

St louis is one of those cities where you will prob have more luck with str8 guys. It was kind to me!

Hi Bernie Sanders, I'd vote for you!

Here is one of the options to search particularly in Brooklyn https://friendboy.pro/better_than_gay_male_escort/new_york?BoysSearch[sword]=Brooklyn

Damn first Sara Sanders is on daddys now Bernie!!!!

Hate to break it to you @tradehunter, but some gay guys dance for women.

Im well aware just like how some str8 guys dance for gays. I go where trade is in abundance to increase chances of success.

Anyone luck out with these types? They tend to make less money and understand there appeal to all genders. Leads?

It would be funny to see if someone could figure out how to advertise himself for such a service

Smh this is one of the reason i love trade. Escorts are too aware! A dumb jock doesnt know being dumb is hot!!!!! He wouldnt think to advertise it. Now a client who has seen a dumb jock may wish to tell others.

I find str8 guys often fit this role. A gay bttm who is big n stupid would be very interesting!!!!

Oh, man, if you are into genuine rough trade, you aren't going to find from advertising escorts. Seek and ye shall find, and please remember that it's a really, really dangerous hobby. That power/exploitation dynamic can fuel violence, and there are plenty of sociopaths and psychopaths out there.

Its not for beginners. Its a trained specialty. The same way u cant try to do what cobra charmers do. Exposure to violence is almost non existent if you exercise patience. I am looking to connect with ppl in this scene. I am well aware you cant find this on sitea. Maybe in the old days. Nowadays exceptionalism is now longer of value. Anyone can be an escort in the old days they all looked like gi joe face body n attitude. The guys i see nowadays would not have survived. Tbh only a handful of guys who advertise can even be called hot.

Just in case you don’t know already, Tradehunter, there are a lot of “alpha” guys on Tumblr, where this scene seems most active. A lot of them are obviously playing a role, of course.

 

Sounds like you are looking for a “natural alpha” who doesn’t necessarily use that label. Some of the guys on Tumblr who are into serving alphas have written at length about their techniques for spotting an alpha guy and gradually developing a relationship in which they do increasingly significant favors/services. Over time they become a kind of servant who sometimes is used by the alpha for sexual release, usually for the alpha’s pleasure, maybe occasionally as a reward for the “faggot.” (Interestingly it’s almost always “faggot” and almost never “fag.”)

 

That’s a big time/energy investment. If you just want a basically straight guy whose dick you can suck (“rough trade,” as your screen name suggests you are “hunting” for) I’m not sure the best place to look. Used to be street hustlers (my first hire decades ago, which introduced me to a part of myself I didn’t know was there), more recently Craigslist.

 

I had an older friend years ago, before the Internet age, who was a genius at finding straight guys to let him suck their dicks. Somehow, from his little assisted-living apartment in a small town, he’d find guys to service. Must have been classified ads. As an aside, he seemed uninterested in anything other than their cocks, which he’d describe and rate. “One of the best I’ve ever had,” he told me about one, referring to the cock and not the rest of the guy or his body.

 

I’ve hired sex workers in person and on the phone to role play alpha/faggot stuff with me, and it’s been really powerful and cathartic and energizing. (At present I’m staying out of that head space myself.) I’m sure you can find an escort to role play it with you while, if that’s what you are really looking for, you wait to find and cultivate a real-life alpha.

 

Are you looking for an ongoing serve-and-service-an-alpha relationship or just hookups? (Or something else?) Interesting topic (to me) which doesn’t come up here often.

Thanks fot articulating this fetish as accurately as you did. Trade hunting is a dying art. Plus i think most ppl are quite content with betas imitating alphas doing roleplay(which is all i see). I tend to have better luck in person. Many guys outta jail are perfect for this. Can u imagine having gay men doting on u while u just kickback vs having to be on the block selling god knows what. I always felt like if the hustler scene got developed it could keep the rentboys honest. If you were with guys lije the ones i posted ur not going back to imposters.

Hustle Man would be perfect.

If you’re looking for an “alpha” escort, the Deli is probably a better place to ask than the Lounge where the other post is.

 

I’ve spent quite a bit of time in alpha/sub porn and writings, most of the latter fictional fantasy. There are also submissive men who identify as “faggots” in real life (not just fantasy life) and identify some men (usually, but not always, straight-identifying) as naturally/genuinely superior “true alphas,” and who see their place as serving an alpha.

 

It’s pretty clear that for some it’s not role-play with enthusiastic consent, it’s actual willing, on/going submission. And it’s distinct from master/slave relationships (although there’s overlap in the cultures) in that while master/slave relationships can be affectionate and loving, the alpha/faggot dynamic (at least at its extreme end) is rooted in superiority/inferiority and humiliation of the “faggot.” I’ve seen taxonomies of don/sum relationships where “faggots” are ranked lower on a scale (of masculinity? of worth?) than “slaves.”

 

This seems to become an actual reality for some guys. For me, it’s sometimes an arousing space for fantasy and role play—a place to visit rather than a place to live.

 

I imagine that some of the escorts into BDSM can do the alpha thing, but that’s probably not what you’re looking for, if you’re just looking for a natural, genuine alpha whose not necessarily into BDSM. Certainly there are a lot of escorts who can be very dominant. I’m not aware of any specific one who identifies as a “true alpha” as it seems to me to be understood in the alpha/faggot subculture. But there may be some, and you may hear from them.

Thanks for insight. The bdsm scene is a bit more staged so to speak. A true alpha many times doesnt know he is playing that role and he doesnt understand the complexities. That is what makes it hot. I was watching some ufc the other night and many exemplify what i mean. The bouncer outside the club with a bald head n a scowl. If you can get him back to ur ppace he orob wont understand worship but he may well do it better than everyone who knows the scene

Here is a good idea of types of guys i am referencing.

Who is into this scene? It is similar to muscle worship. While the worshipee is often muscular it is not a strict requirement. Very often they have a dangerous occupation or are naturally bad boys or come across effortlessly confident and extremely so. They often go under the radar and may not oresent themselves as available. There used to be sooo many good guys in this scene but its the season of the twinks. Speak up if you got leads.

Who is into this scene? It is similar to muscle worship. While the worshipee is often muscular it is not a strict requirement. Very often they have a dangerous occupation or are naturally bad boys or come across effortlessly confident and extremely so. They often go under the radar and may not oresent themselves as available. There used to be sooo many good guys in this scene but its the season of the twinks. Speak up if you got leads.

I believe he wa merely pointing out the existence of Kennedy Chicken and that perhaps he was confused if he had never heard of it that you had badly misspelled Kentucky.

Lol i know what he was doin. Its all good. You just watch yourself cause i heard they are serving burgers now.

You made zero valid points and dug yourself into a deeper hole. That’s great you have black friends and feel you are exempt from holding your tongue, but your black friends are likely not the majority of black people. And your black friends think this okay because they are your friends. Per your comment, no one here “knows you personally,” and as unfortunate as it is, we live in a country where it’s not the time nor place to be insensitive. Was your comment blatantly racist? Maybe to some more than others. But did it need to be said? It did not.

You made zero valid points and dug yourself into a deeper hole. That’s great you have black friends and feel you are exempt from holding your tongue, but your black friends are likely not the majority of black people. And your black friends think this okay because they are your friends. Per your comment, no one here “knows you personally,” and as unfortunate as it is, we live in a country where it’s not the time nor place to be insensitive. Was your comment blatantly racist? Maybe to some more than others. But did it need to be said? It did not.

My last reply was contrite and apologetic. No intent to hurt or be insensitive. Anyone offended is welcome to message me personally and get a personal apology if they belong to any group i offended.

Really? Many of your black friends. Because that’s not what racist people ever say.

Please see my post above. I was advised that if people dont know me personally I can come off looking bad in this scenario. So i wont push back too much. Anyone who knows me knows i never back down. It is only my respect for other peoples culture that allows me to humble myself and walk away from this. Yes I have black friends I have many and dont want misconceptions to cause me from making more.

Having received some counsel I realize that some of these battles can never be one no matter how well you defend them. If there are any black or latino people reading this please know that my above statement was not meant to hurt or disparage. I was simply providing insight on places to find trade and wanted to make a distinction that you are unlikely to find white trade(which i assume many on here prefer exclusively) in a popular franchise located exclusively in inner city urban areas. Since my heart was pure and innocent when i typed it i didnt forsee that it could be tied to negative historical connotations. I am always open to honest discussions on race relations where we can learn from each other and move the needle forward. I hope this is a teaching moment for all.

**sigh**

 

sometimes, we just need to pick our battles.

Nakedtop i hear what your saying but one of my pet peeves are people who go out looking to be offended or looking to be offended on behalf of others. For me the topic is personal but laughable simultaneously. I was called a racist over chicken for god sakes. A dead animal that is in the frozen section in every supermarket. Sometimes you have to strip it down to lowest common denominator. People have to learn to judge context and nuance and learn to make distinctions. Almost anything anyone says at anytime can be offensive if you want to be offended. The way i said what i said were void of any harmful connotations. If someone came to me and asked. How can i find working class str8 black men for trade? You think i am going to tell them Trump golf course? Sometimes you gotta just keep it real. I am not well adept at the fakery and i am not about to get good at it.

I’m black and Latino and it was racist period.

You are one black person. I just ran it by many of my friends and all i got were lols and smhs. Maybe because they knew who said it and the context. Im sorry you were offended but i cant take back what i said if its not racist. I said you can find black and latino trade outside kennedy fried chicken. You want me to apologize for that?? I wouldnt cuz there is nothing wrong or inaccurate about it. Black and Latino ppl will congregrate in places that are largely found in gasp black and latino neighborhoods. They tend to build kennedy fried chicken, check cashing, liquor stores, and bodegas almost exclusively in minority neighborhoods. There is nothing intrinsically bad about these places. Things are things we as people add the color, connotation, and commentary. Explain to me goosh how a chicken is racist but a cow isnt and how a watermelon is racist but a pumpkin isnt? I will create a new thread in politics section. Hopefully you and MrMike can give some heartfelt insightful contributions there.

you couldn't possibly have been thinking he meant Kentucky......could you??!!

Now lets be real now!!!!! You know damn well thats in the hood. Lol Azdr your dead wrong for this and your going to hell. You found the grand opening pic to boot smh with the trash and rusty beaten down steps.

Actually black and Latino person found it racist too...

Uhmm Goosh what black and latino people find are the intentions of the person making the joke. Food cant be racist that is just ridiculous. Its like calling an asian a rice queen. Two asians might make that joke amongst themselves and laugh because they know how integral rice is to their culture but a white person who is known for saying" i dont care for asians and their features" and then goes around using the word rice queen will be held to a different scrutiny. I grew up on hip hop and love alot of elements of black and caribbean latino culture so I dont need to be timid like those self aware white people who have probably never been inside a black persons house or had a black person inside your house. I have been to black churches with my friends and their parents. I have been to black weddings. Im sorry im not about to be schooled by white people who watched one episode of black in america on cnn your gonna have to stay seated on this one. Kennedy fried chicken is damn good chicken and im going to stop n shop to get some watermelon.

Any social justice warrior in here care to go to kennedy fried chicken to take a pic of a random white person in there??? Come back when you find one. Heck try to google it i might accept that.

Cool. So you're illiterate AND racist.

Oh darn MisterMike will you take a chill pill!!!!!!!! First I type on my phone and I type extremely fast. My eyes are sensitive to the bluelight from phone so I type blind for most part.

There is nothing racist about what I said NOTHING!!!!!! I find that non minority people who are always crying racism on behalf of minority populations many times are out of touch and laughably so!!! First things first Kennedy Fried Chicken is a popular chain in New Jersey and New York. I have never seen the franchise outside of urban neighborhoods and there must be a reason for that. You will not find white people venturing into neighborhoods where Kennedy Fried Chicken tends to be so by default you will only find black an latinos there. Fried Chicken is a staple in black southern cuisine that is a fact. Is Pizza and pasta racist to italians. Is Gyro racist to greeks? Are frankfurters racist to germans? Let me help you out. The caricature of black people by white americans back in the day were meant to demean them and often incorporated images of watermelon and chicken and thus those things naturally developed a negative connotation but there is nothing innately negative about a watermelon or fried chicken or appreciating aforementioned foods. MisterMike i appreciate you are a social justice warrior but please dont lecture me on racism. Many of my best childhood friends are african american. I have been to many black bbq's and never have I been to one where there wasn't fried chicken and watermelon(gasp) and guess what the lines for them were long. They loved it and I loved it. The funny thing is black people laugh at that joke amongst themselves because they know they love fried chicken and watermelon for the most part.

The danger are the ppl who worry about watermelon and fried chicken but dont worry about things that matter like gentrification and police brutality. I am an advocate for fair housing practices and criminal justice reform in my own community. Alot of ppl just talk to the talk to feel good about themselves. I walk the walk so I dont have to care about petty nonsense cuz I know my heart and the black and latino people in my life know it as well.

Also can we please stay on topic and not venture off into foreign territory!! Unless it is something enriching and insightful!!!

He seems to be the most consistent of the rat pack.

http://bunewsservice.com/fenway-garden-society-seeks-solutions-to-security-issues/

 

(Police officer) Pagan identified the dense, 7 to 10-foot-tall reeds around the Muddy River, which borders the gardens for one-half mile between Agassiz Road and Boylston Street, as a hotbed for gay cruising. Gardeners have found soiled underwear and condoms abandoned by their plots.

 

 

“It’s like little mazes,” Pagan said. “People want to be hidden, and there are spots where you can go and hide.”

 

 

In other public parks around the city, crime rates are lower because the park layouts give police more visibility.

 

https://www.emeraldnecklace.org/park-overview/back-bay-fens/

 

 

http://loyaltytraveler.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Back-Bay-Fens.jpg

I want to make a distinction between places gay men go to have sex in public n places to find alpha tradr. Alot of cruising spots are places gay men know to get laid but trade might not venture there. For me personally i tend to look around boxing gyms, bus depots,train stations,kennefy fried chicken(blacks n latino). Trade will only venture to gay areas known for generosity kinda like how predators will frequent locations where there are easy pickins.