Pulgasari1991

They either don't last long on the mc or don't last long as escorts. It never fails.

What you mean? And what mc stands for?

If I recall correctly, one of the earliest posters on this thread recounted one horrific way where, in a very curt response to the initial client contact, the escort just bluntly asked for stats, occupation, and maybe a pic too. That sounds like a terrible business practice, and also reflects poorly on the escort's decorum. It's just incredibly tacky and insensitive. This is supposed to be an intimate professional service, is it not?

Just wanted to point out that, while I grasp the idea of that "Grinder mentality" and it's definitely not my thing, when I was looking for tuts/tips on escorting many guides suggested doing that, and I had assumed that was the default way to go. They were intended for female providers, as I've figured out after a while (never bothered asking for occupation, though).

I mean that some people may just be naively clueless about these etiquettes.

I have to a degree. But at the same time, I tend to notice more and more of the gay social scene seems to be things that I'm not necessarily into

Sounds to me that you would/could have a great time hiring.

Because I can f-ing see why. As far as I know, majority of the escorts I come across don't mention involvement in the scene much unless it's something to do with dancing or performing, etc.

 

I've come to realize I'm just so over it. Guys, gays, bars, everything. The games and confusion that comes with meeting guys outside of clients has just become too predictable and all too common. For example, just last week I met a guy in Phoenix at the bar after a friend invited me out. We chat, watched the drag show, and exchanged numbers. Kept in touch, he sent me pictures, shared some things about himself etc. Few days later, we meet up. Had a good time, met his friends at his place, he even popped the first kiss which later lead to longer making out and us giving each other head...for a minute. Until he kept saying he didn't want to turn things into a hookup and we left off on that.

 

However, before we met up...he did "flake" twice. Meaning, there were a couple of times we almost met but didn't. Now...in my personal life I'm a little more lenient about that. Whereas in business, if someone cancels the day of and/or then the next attempt they're just floating about not making definite plans...I ask them without being too brusque; to get it together. But seems like these things need to be implemented moreso in personal life.

 

Because after our "hangout" session, the guy sends me a text saying this will be our last conversation and that he's not feeling me as much, and wishes me luck. I'm like really? Really. I just wasn't surprised at all. This is typical gay shit. Confused little boys don't know what they want. Then once they get it, they run from it. Always trying to make the other person feel like they're doing something wrong.

 

And that's just one example. I could go on and on and on about the variety of mind games guys have played over and over and over. Everything from exchanging numbers and then ghosting, to just major inconsistencies and people who seem to get off on flaking on others. Nowadays, at 30...atleast I can move on with grace and dignity rather than let it affect me too much. But this just brings me back to that frame of mind that I don't like to be in.

 

On top of that, I don't even know my place in the gay scene anymore. The aforementioned guy is a lighter toned black guy and his friends who were at the house were queeny white guys who do drag and bleach their hair and wax their eyebrows. And the guy is not really feminine himself. So to me, that was a yellow flag that he possibly would find a way to exclude me at some point. I was picking up that he's probably more into white guys, and for whatever reason I could have just been used as a diversion for him to see if he can "do it". Not saying that's fact, but I know how these out west Black dudes can be. That's the reason I didn't have many Black friends/dates in Denver until I moved to the east coast, because they were all exclusive of each other, only associating with White or Hispanic guys. I've seen it too many times. The black guy who normally goes for white guys, they may dabble with another black dude for a minute, only to dismiss them with contempt only to go right back to what they were doing.

 

However, I don't want anyone citing the race card because it's much broader than that. That's just one underlying reason. The games are pretty much widespread. So my question is, what's the best way to still keep a social life outside of business, yet avoid all the bullshit of navigating the gay scene.

Haven't you in fact enjoyed social life, up to that refusal of his?

Why would clients prepare and utilize your proposed "I don't provide stats/pics" disclaimer as a standard in their initiatory communications with escorts, when it's rarely even applicable?

Clients would, if we're speaking of clients feeling offended by the question itself.

One asking for stats/pics doesn't automatically imply that there are particular criteria to be met; it can well be just genuine curiosity. Willing to give stats/pics, that's fine; unwilling to, it's still fine. But, if one gets irreversibly offended at the question alone, maybe it's better if he prevents that from the beginning.

I can't explain all my security measures ;-)

I see.

Would you say it has more to do with threats or with genuine persuasion?

The reason why I'm able to collect when they flake, is because I've screened them to the point where they know, I'm to be taken seriously.

What do you mean exactly, how that works out?

This is a very general question: Are providers (either escorts or masseurs or both) accepting client appointments on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Year's Eve, or Christmas Day? I ask this, primarily, to see if it is proper to contact someone on one, or more, of these days for an appointment. I fully realize that many may wish to spend these special days and times with family and/or friends and may not wish to meet with clients on these days. I definitely want to respect boundaries.

I think you should ask directly to the specific person(s) you are into.

I remember ads saying "in shape" only. I would just tell the escort to take Viagra and do it.

Aww, what about their answers?

Some folks on here like privacy and don't want to share that kind of information.

Well, I just didn't have the impression that that was the OP's concern.

Thank you, nonetheless; I wouldn't have guessed there could be such worries. I understand the privacy issue in a general sense, but hiding stats seemed a bit far-fetched to me.

An escort I was trying to hire asked for my ‘stats — size, height, weight, ethnicity’. I felt quite a bit insulted. That was probably just his second text message.

You might want to consider being one step ahead and speaking out your stats before being asked. That way you'll never know.

Supermarket and tobacco, of course

Have any escorts here had a car date with a client?

Yes. It works fine and fair for a BJ on the run.

To do else, it isn't very comfortable in my opinion. Also, the few whom I had stumbled upon asking for that were basically looking for a cheap date as well.

It seems like the new rentboy.pro doesn't include NYC aso of yet.

I do see NY on RB.pro.

That's uncool, you know.

This is were the issues start. Clients do not really want to trust what the poeple who run the company have to say. It can be a METRIC but by most clients, I am pretty sure it will be perceived as a biased one that will not hold a lot of weight without client opinion to support it. The more unbiased a data set is the more it best represents the sample. Therefore, the random opinion of multiple clients assures more reliable data. A better and more unique approach would be to do both. You need a client rating system along with your own review system. Granted the client and theirs may not always agree but that is ok. It enforces the reliability, perception of the review. I have reviewed providers who others found not as good. The client has to make the final decision but will feel comfortable doing so because the data may be percieved as reliable even though it maybe conflicting. Many times clients will just contact other clients through email to resolve their issues. The bottom line is that if you want this to take off you have to have some sort of client review system that is perceived to be reliable and for the most part accurate if you want the client to TRUST your rating system.

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How are you going to deal with this?

Do any escorts here reveal their real name to the client after the session? Consider this, you meet a client who you run the chance of seeing out in public. Wouldn't it be awkward if you're with friends and he said hey .... (insert escort name here) .... rather than your real name. I know it's a case by case basic but I was just wondering your thoughts? What if you discover the client may know other friends of yours?

 

Keenan

I even reveal it before the session. There's not even a paywall for that!

Which kind of client would greet his escort, either with stage name or real name, seeing him with other people, anyway? Unless one already is sure that it is ok to do that.

Then, distraction can always happen, can't deny...

Italy is already in the system, the whole world is already there actually. The only thing, European promotion of Rentboy.pro will start next year. But you can sign up and create your free ad in Italy today. Some Euro cities already have some guys on Rentboy.pro:

http://rentboy.pro/boys/index?city_id=2513

++Thanks! ^^

It's a bit off-topic, but does anybody know if RB is planning to add Italy in its locations?

I'm supposing most escorts shower / clean up, often with the client at the end of the session.

 

But what about showering before the session both escort and client in preparation of the upcoming "encounter"?

Always having a lazy bath at home before rendez-vous, but I don't mind having another shower with client before activities.

Would you ever contact them yourself first?

No

I don't want to come off as judgmental, and maybe there's a topic already brewing on this subject so excuse if it is.

 

But what's with the "whole" bareback thing now? People are just boldly texting out the blue for it, and tbh it's causing me concern about how safe the business is NOT becoming. I concern some activities and risks could lead to not only STDs, but to prostate or some other reproductive tract cancer later in life, and it's because this bareback thing is becoming all too common. No matter how much prep a person takes, Gonorreah and Chlamydia and Hep can still live in someone's asshole. Then, someone else or that same guy sucks that dick and gets it in the back of their throat. Then they suck someone off and pass it to them. Rinse and repeat.

 

This is part of my reasoning for not doing porn. I feel the porn industry has pushed the bareback agenda to a point of normalcy and now it's become more common than ever. I wouldn't want to be part of an industry which promotes that, which in turn makes us have to do riskier and riskier acts to stay relevant. I know because, when I first started...2007, 8, 9 10...nobody was asking for bareback. It just wasn't a topic of discussion. Now, it's almost as if I'm competing with guys who are doing bareback, because clients seem to not have an issue finding someone to do it when I say I'm not into that.

 

This is no diss to bare-backers or barebacking. If there's a mutual agreement and trust (which usually isn't), then by all means. But this shit is getting ridiculous. Even the so called guys who ask if guys are into bareback to weed out someone who is into bareback, is silly. I also find that's less common, as many guys turn down when you say not into bareback...meaning that's what they were looking for.

 

Why?

Do they offer you a better rate for bareback?

I said I wouldn't post, but some of these things are just too humorous to not talk about

False memories happen.

Duh, from my limited experience, I'd say 2017 overall has been rampant with trolling/unexplained behaviour compared to before. But it can well just be me, after all I have no actual facts about big numbers and statistics.

I was reading one escort describe how much time it took to get ready for an appointment, clean up and either clean up his place or travel, even nearby, and it set me to wondering why guys usually charge as much for the second hour as the first. As a price sensitive customer, I might be able to come up with the money for a discounted second hour but just can't afford a full hit. I was wondering why it is not to your benefit to discount a second hour

Suppposedly there's enough people willing to hire them for a second hour even if there's no discount, and that covers the losses, both money and time.

Or maybe they're wrong and do lose, who knows. But, and do with that what you want, without discount they will always have a higher money/time-with-client ratio.

Anyway, how much time it took for him?

aka Extortion

I see; but I mean: would somebody expose himself just because of that specific threat? I think not.