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Oh Another one...
 
If you have a roommate and are taking incalls, let your customer know went they book. Hearing other unexpected people in the place is odd. I hired one guy and went to his place. Walked in to the front door. Bam. Massage table in the living room. But he lead me to his room. So I figured it was for practice or perhaps extra. Get to his room and on the table there and later during my massage, I hear another person going up and down the stairs.
 
Well after my massage was done, a black curtain was pulled from the living room area so you couldn't see from the stairway and I was led out the backdoor through the kitchen. WKOSIT?
 
I concluded that his roommate was also a masseur. That's fine and dandy. But at least let me know. I am sure the roommate's client found it odd hearing us as we were going down the stairs too as I was having some small talk about asking for water, and as I mentioned, the table was right in the living room. Just not a good look if you are not telling your clients before hand that you are in a shared space. A tleast let me have the option to decide if I'll go with the booking or not or letting me know if the roommate will be there or not or possibly arrive during the session.
 
Another time, I hired a new guy and the appointment was at the same apartment of another guy I hired a few months back. I didn't see the other masseur but, yeah. That was kinda awkward.

This seems like something that needs to be adjusted by market. For example, I have watch visiting masseurs stay on "Available Now" for a long time, then look at their prices for my market and see why. You can be new to an area but if you are still priced out of range, locals may just go with the cheaper locals. You should try to be competitive at least to the area that you are in. Sometimes, that may mean going up in price as well to be on par. If I know I can get everything I need from a masseur I hire regularly for $X, it is hard to justify paying a 'new' guy $X for half as much time when both or "Available Now" just to say I've tried them, especially when there's few reviews out there.
 
Which brings me to, if you are traveling, may want to let people know if the hotel you are in has free parking or not. Or even convenient street parking. I always find it interesting that some masseurs get in hotels that are clearly in the $200+ a night range downtown and wonder if they'd be better off maximizing profits by going to a spot just in the suburbs that may be a little cheaper.

Gotta say the greatest massages that I have ever received (and I have had hundreds) were from the late Glenn Wilson of Tucson, Arizona. He had very limited Esalen training and some Lomi Lomi. Some guys just have the touch. When Arizona went to licensing about 15 years ago he did not bite and chose to remain unlicensed. So if you asked Glenn for his license he would have come up short on that test. There are many trained masseurs (I have 1,200 hours) who choose not to license because then they have something to take away from you and also it is best to leave licensing to those who are playing that game. Also sometimes strictly therapeutic masseurs, as I am sure some of you have experienced, will exclude whole portions of your body (glutes come to mind) or spend 80 percent of the time working on your back. It is trial and error. Also many great M4M masseurs do have reviews on yelp so do your research (google by phone number.) Like many thing in life it is trial and error.
 

Definitely can see that. No spas here do stomach, glutes or inner thighs either, so I’m with you and I charge approx what they do but with to your door (or incall) service that includes all the areas spas miss, so they can’t compete and the Disney Tourists who are planning on paying the crazy resort prices anyway, are happy to pay for room service massage that hits all the spots for less than what the resort spa would charge.
 
I think I mentioned “for your area,” I know the price difference between BFE and NYC is pretty drastic, I’m in Orlando so I was using examples from my area, so your prices may vary drastically either way above or way below.
 
Just suggesting a new masseur takes location into account and fairness for the area, $150 for strictly therapeutic in Disney Orlando is more than fair and less than most spas, you could probably do $200 if you wanted to, but I don’t want to be the guy who nickel and dimes people, so it’s a halfway point. $150 to local orlando is a little excessive and I’ve seen new masseurs as low as $65 (which is a red flag to me to be so low compared to the standard), so I do $100 an hour for outcall therapeutic outside of Disney to take locals and travelers not on a saved vacation budget into account, to this day though the resorts always glare at me walking my table through the hotel haha.
 
I still see people come out of nowhere trying $250+ for an hour therapeutic, then they disappear a month or so in and I’m sure they wonder why, it’s not a get rich quick scheme but building relationships with clients over time, lots of communication, marketing, keeping your client base happy while always taking new ones. I feel like some new people see the rates and think they will be making 6 figures in a week and don’t realize that for every hour actually spent working there are probably 4 or more hours communicating, marketing, advertising, and scheduling for future appointments, so your 10 hour workday varies, dead days you get 1 paid hour out of it, busier days (Wednesday oddly enough blows up here aside from the obvious Friday and weekends) you might get paid for 8 hours and then adding travel and such it’s a loooong 12 hour day.
 
That’s another good one for new masseurs:
 
Be realistic with your expectations, some weeks you will be completely booked out to the point you skip meals and stay up late to fit everyone in, some weeks you will only have your regulars, and it takes time to build those regulars, so don’t expect overnight success, you need a wide skill set outside of the massage itself to make it work. In the beginning you might have half a week between appointments once the “fresh meat” phase wears off unless you have built up to having those regulars.

Oh Another one...
 
If you have a roommate and are taking incalls, let your customer know went they book. Hearing other unexpected people in the place is odd. I hired one guy and went to his place. Walked in to the front door. Bam. Massage table in the living room. But he lead me to his room. So I figured it was for practice or perhaps extra. Get to his room and on the table there and later during my massage, I hear another person going up and down the stairs.
 
Well after my massage was done, a black curtain was pulled from the living room area so you couldn't see from the stairway and I was led out the backdoor through the kitchen. WKOSIT?
 
I concluded that his roommate was also a masseur. That's fine and dandy. But at least let me know. I am sure the roommate's client found it odd hearing us as we were going down the stairs too as I was having some small talk about asking for water, and as I mentioned, the table was right in the living room. Just not a good look if you are not telling your clients before hand that you are in a shared space. A tleast let me have the option to decide if I'll go with the booking or not or letting me know if the roommate will be there or not or possibly arrive during the session.
 
Another time, I hired a new guy and the appointment was at the same apartment of another guy I hired a few months back. I didn't see the other masseur but, yeah. That was kinda awkward.

This seems like something that needs to be adjusted by market. For example, I have watch visiting masseurs stay on "Available Now" for a long time, then look at their prices for my market and see why. You can be new to an area but if you are still priced out of range, locals may just go with the cheaper locals. You should try to be competitive at least to the area that you are in. Sometimes, that may mean going up in price as well to be on par. If I know I can get everything I need from a masseur I hire regularly for $X, it is hard to justify paying a 'new' guy $X for half as much time when both or "Available Now" just to say I've tried them, especially when there's few reviews out there.
 
Which brings me to, if you are traveling, may want to let people know if the hotel you are in has free parking or not. Or even convenient street parking. I always find it interesting that some masseurs get in hotels that are clearly in the $200+ a night range downtown and wonder if they'd be better off maximizing profits by going to a spot just in the suburbs that may be a little cheaper.

Oh Another one...
 
If you have a roommate and are taking incalls, let your customer know went they book. Hearing other unexpected people in the place is odd. I hired one guy and went to his place. Walked in to the front door. Bam. Massage table in the living room. But he lead me to his room. So I figured it was for practice or perhaps extra. Get to his room and on the table there and later during my massage, I hear another person going up and down the stairs.
 
Well after my massage was done, a black curtain was pulled from the living room area so you couldn't see from the stairway and I was led out the backdoor through the kitchen. WKOSIT?
 
I concluded that his roommate was also a masseur. That's fine and dandy. But at least let me know. I am sure the roommate's client found it odd hearing us as we were going down the stairs too as I was having some small talk about asking for water, and as I mentioned, the table was right in the living room. Just not a good look if you are not telling your clients before hand that you are in a shared space. A tleast let me have the option to decide if I'll go with the booking or not or letting me know if the roommate will be there or not or possibly arrive during the session.
 
Another time, I hired a new guy and the appointment was at the same apartment of another guy I hired a few months back. I didn't see the other masseur but, yeah. That was kinda awkward.

In this day and age of alternate facts, I assume everyone is positive for HIV, Gonorrhea and Hepatitis. As such, I proceed accordingly. Hence, I have no need to be informed of their status.

Oh Another one...
 
If you have a roommate and are taking incalls, let your customer know went they book. Hearing other unexpected people in the place is odd. I hired one guy and went to his place. Walked in to the front door. Bam. Massage table in the living room. But he lead me to his room. So I figured it was for practice or perhaps extra. Get to his room and on the table there and later during my massage, I hear another person going up and down the stairs.
 
Well after my massage was done, a black curtain was pulled from the living room area so you couldn't see from the stairway and I was led out the backdoor through the kitchen. WKOSIT?
 
I concluded that his roommate was also a masseur. That's fine and dandy. But at least let me know. I am sure the roommate's client found it odd hearing us as we were going down the stairs too as I was having some small talk about asking for water, and as I mentioned, the table was right in the living room. Just not a good look if you are not telling your clients before hand that you are in a shared space. A tleast let me have the option to decide if I'll go with the booking or not or letting me know if the roommate will be there or not or possibly arrive during the session.
 
Another time, I hired a new guy and the appointment was at the same apartment of another guy I hired a few months back. I didn't see the other masseur but, yeah. That was kinda awkward.

Everyone here has really nailed it from both the client and the masseur side. I wish I knew about this forum when I first started, would have saved me a lot of meh experiences.
 
As a masseur/scort my advice would be(sorry for repeats, I feel they are important enough to read again):
 
-DO go with your gut, if you get a bad feeling through a call, imagine the feeling you’ll get when you knock on the door, instinct is usually right and although it only happened once, I had to leave a service halfway into it, and that’s me, and I’m an “anything goes” fetish friendly experience, so imagine the amount of creep it takes to make me walk out the door.
 
-DO get a professional scheduling app(online scheduling if you can) to keep track of appointments, even better if clients can see your schedule and book their own appointments.
 
-DO be open minded. Even if you want to be 100% legit and therapeutic, clients make requests constantly, always consider them and their comfort, I have done strictly therapeutic massages nude because I have clients that are more comfortable not being the only one naked in the room. There is nothing wrong or illegal about 2 adults being nude in a room together, you can relax some and still be a legit professional.
 
-DO NOT take appointments that you can’t keep. When you start out you are fresh meat and you’ll get a sudden influx of appointments, don’t let it go to your head, you are being tested, do well and word will spread.
 
-DO NOT use your phone during appointments! I have an iPhone and I turn on driving mode and set up an auto reply that states I’m in an appt and will get back immediately after, that way people know I’m busy, not ignoring them, and clients don’t have a therapist hovering over his phone.
 
-BIOTONE period. Coconut oil is a good 2nd Incase they prefer oil.
 
Lastly, be fair, charge the standard rate in your area FOR THE SERVICES OFFERED, don’t charge $150 an hour for a therapeutic, at the same time don’t lowball yourself, don’t charge $50 an hour for erotic(or people will think you are either terrible at it or desperate). Price takes practice and fine tuning, you’ll find what is both fair to clients and gets you enough appointments to pay your bills.
 
It’s all about the regulars. They are loyal, they deserve more, go with a regular over a new guy if you have to pick one, and I ALWAYS give my regulars free upgrades. Over deliver consistently.
 
Sorry it’s so long, TLDR Don’t get cocky, treat your regulars with the respect they deserve, be creative and be ready for some situations you didn’t prepare for.

I assume everyone could be poz.

I recently had a massage where the masseur pulled up a you tube video to use as music. That would have been fine (the video was appropriate spa music) but the loud ad before the video killed the mood. I’ve also had masseurs play free pandora or Spotify stations that had ads in the middle.
 
A masseur needs to have proper music on his phone. Note I didn’t say streaming. This way there is no fumbling for WiFi or other issues. The music should be played through at least a portable speaker. If using the phone, make sure it is in airplane mode or at least have notifications silenced. I don’t want to hear a continual parade of beeps, chirps and dings as the masseur gets various messages.
 
For the love of god, don’t answer or text while in session (I’ve had multiple masseurs do this, never went back to any of them)

If you are in a rush, better to apologize and reschedule than to cut the session short and rush it.
 
I had this masseur that is very good. But one time he had something to do after the session and was running late or something. He cut the session short 10 minutes he didn’t apologize or anything... there were other minor issues... but this was not acceptable for me. I never hired him again.

This goes both ways. If you have pets disclose this in advance due to allergies and lock them up. I don’t have allergies but I don’t appreciate cats and dogs around me when I’m getting a massage and worse... when a cat or dog use my clothes as a bed

I know op mention this was outcall but these are things in general for me...
 
At home or when traveling, make sure you have a decent sound system for your music. A Bluetooth speaker goes a long way versus a tinny cell phone speaker.
 
Also don't text or check your phone with a client. We can tell.
 
Make sure you have used the bathroom before starting the session. I have had guys exit to pee before I understand nature calls but try to do everything to reduce the chance that you'll have to break pause the session. It's awkward lying on the table face down, naked, and and oiled up with nothing happening.
 
Don't short people on their time and give yourself enough of a buffer between clients. If I hire you for 90 min that's for the massage. Not from the second I walk into the door. Allowing a buffer is good because 1 the massage could escalate to something more and if you have an appointment later, you want to give yourself enough time to to give that client a good massage as well.
 
I'm flexible and always ask if a masseur is available after ☓ time for Y minutes. So that way I can work around them. Usually I'll try to be the last client or the first on an slow day which means it's likely to be a very fun massage. So be flexible and offer alternative times that will work if there is a conflict.
 
A few of the masseurs I have used have sworn by Biotone as a brand. I really like when they use almond oil. It feels really good and not super greasy and doesn't stain. Also warming it up a little feels awesome.
 
Always have cold water and maybe some candy for when people leave.
 
I'm OK with being contacted after the massage but a lot of guys don't like this. Especially if they are trying to be discreet. So consider that if you reach out after the sale. At least ask if it's OK to text them later before doing so. I used to have a guy sending me half nude photos and texts about specials over 6 months after I hired him. They always came at inappropriate times. And if you do contact at least make sure the text doesn't read like you're begging and on the verge of eviction.

I know op mention this was outcall but these are things in general for me...
 
At home or when traveling, make sure you have a decent sound system for your music. A Bluetooth speaker goes a long way versus a tinny cell phone speaker.
 
Also don't text or check your phone with a client. We can tell.
 
Make sure you have used the bathroom before starting the session. I have had guys exit to pee before I understand nature calls but try to do everything to reduce the chance that you'll have to break pause the session. It's awkward lying on the table face down, naked, and and oiled up with nothing happening.
 
Don't short people on their time and give yourself enough of a buffer between clients. If I hire you for 90 min that's for the massage. Not from the second I walk into the door. Allowing a buffer is good because 1 the massage could escalate to something more and if you have an appointment later, you want to give yourself enough time to to give that client a good massage as well.
 
I'm flexible and always ask if a masseur is available after ☓ time for Y minutes. So that way I can work around them. Usually I'll try to be the last client or the first on an slow day which means it's likely to be a very fun massage. So be flexible and offer alternative times that will work if there is a conflict.
 
A few of the masseurs I have used have sworn by Biotone as a brand. I really like when they use almond oil. It feels really good and not super greasy and doesn't stain. Also warming it up a little feels awesome.
 
Always have cold water and maybe some candy for when people leave.
 
I'm OK with being contacted after the massage but a lot of guys don't like this. Especially if they are trying to be discreet. So consider that if you reach out after the sale. At least ask if it's OK to text them later before doing so. I used to have a guy sending me half nude photos and texts about specials over 6 months after I hired him. They always came at inappropriate times. And if you do contact at least make sure the text doesn't read like you're begging and on the verge of eviction.

I know op mention this was outcall but these are things in general for me...
 
At home or when traveling, make sure you have a decent sound system for your music. A Bluetooth speaker goes a long way versus a tinny cell phone speaker.
 
Also don't text or check your phone with a client. We can tell.
 
Make sure you have used the bathroom before starting the session. I have had guys exit to pee before I understand nature calls but try to do everything to reduce the chance that you'll have to break pause the session. It's awkward lying on the table face down, naked, and and oiled up with nothing happening.
 
Don't short people on their time and give yourself enough of a buffer between clients. If I hire you for 90 min that's for the massage. Not from the second I walk into the door. Allowing a buffer is good because 1 the massage could escalate to something more and if you have an appointment later, you want to give yourself enough time to to give that client a good massage as well.
 
I'm flexible and always ask if a masseur is available after ☓ time for Y minutes. So that way I can work around them. Usually I'll try to be the last client or the first on an slow day which means it's likely to be a very fun massage. So be flexible and offer alternative times that will work if there is a conflict.
 
A few of the masseurs I have used have sworn by Biotone as a brand. I really like when they use almond oil. It feels really good and not super greasy and doesn't stain. Also warming it up a little feels awesome.
 
Always have cold water and maybe some candy for when people leave.
 
I'm OK with being contacted after the massage but a lot of guys don't like this. Especially if they are trying to be discreet. So consider that if you reach out after the sale. At least ask if it's OK to text them later before doing so. I used to have a guy sending me half nude photos and texts about specials over 6 months after I hired him. They always came at inappropriate times. And if you do contact at least make sure the text doesn't read like you're begging and on the verge of eviction.

I know op mention this was outcall but these are things in general for me...
 
At home or when traveling, make sure you have a decent sound system for your music. A Bluetooth speaker goes a long way versus a tinny cell phone speaker.
 
Also don't text or check your phone with a client. We can tell.
 
Make sure you have used the bathroom before starting the session. I have had guys exit to pee before I understand nature calls but try to do everything to reduce the chance that you'll have to break pause the session. It's awkward lying on the table face down, naked, and and oiled up with nothing happening.
 
Don't short people on their time and give yourself enough of a buffer between clients. If I hire you for 90 min that's for the massage. Not from the second I walk into the door. Allowing a buffer is good because 1 the massage could escalate to something more and if you have an appointment later, you want to give yourself enough time to to give that client a good massage as well.
 
I'm flexible and always ask if a masseur is available after ☓ time for Y minutes. So that way I can work around them. Usually I'll try to be the last client or the first on an slow day which means it's likely to be a very fun massage. So be flexible and offer alternative times that will work if there is a conflict.
 
A few of the masseurs I have used have sworn by Biotone as a brand. I really like when they use almond oil. It feels really good and not super greasy and doesn't stain. Also warming it up a little feels awesome.
 
Always have cold water and maybe some candy for when people leave.
 
I'm OK with being contacted after the massage but a lot of guys don't like this. Especially if they are trying to be discreet. So consider that if you reach out after the sale. At least ask if it's OK to text them later before doing so. I used to have a guy sending me half nude photos and texts about specials over 6 months after I hired him. They always came at inappropriate times. And if you do contact at least make sure the text doesn't read like you're begging and on the verge of eviction.

I know op mention this was outcall but these are things in general for me...
 
At home or when traveling, make sure you have a decent sound system for your music. A Bluetooth speaker goes a long way versus a tinny cell phone speaker.
 
Also don't text or check your phone with a client. We can tell.
 
Make sure you have used the bathroom before starting the session. I have had guys exit to pee before I understand nature calls but try to do everything to reduce the chance that you'll have to break pause the session. It's awkward lying on the table face down, naked, and and oiled up with nothing happening.
 
Don't short people on their time and give yourself enough of a buffer between clients. If I hire you for 90 min that's for the massage. Not from the second I walk into the door. Allowing a buffer is good because 1 the massage could escalate to something more and if you have an appointment later, you want to give yourself enough time to to give that client a good massage as well.
 
I'm flexible and always ask if a masseur is available after ☓ time for Y minutes. So that way I can work around them. Usually I'll try to be the last client or the first on an slow day which means it's likely to be a very fun massage. So be flexible and offer alternative times that will work if there is a conflict.
 
A few of the masseurs I have used have sworn by Biotone as a brand. I really like when they use almond oil. It feels really good and not super greasy and doesn't stain. Also warming it up a little feels awesome.
 
Always have cold water and maybe some candy for when people leave.
 
I'm OK with being contacted after the massage but a lot of guys don't like this. Especially if they are trying to be discreet. So consider that if you reach out after the sale. At least ask if it's OK to text them later before doing so. I used to have a guy sending me half nude photos and texts about specials over 6 months after I hired him. They always came at inappropriate times. And if you do contact at least make sure the text doesn't read like you're begging and on the verge of eviction.

Have a separate room for massage if possible. Quiet, dim lights, music.

If therapeutic only, do not post provocative pictures of yourself which may mislead

I would not pay $150 for a basic massage knowing that that is all it was going to be. You can spend a lot less than that and get a decent completely therapeutic massage and don't have to worry about ambiguity. Seems like the price increase should have come with some explanation if you are a repeat.
 
In this situation, I wouldn't repeat if I were you.
 
Also, remember that these guys are guys too. For some, they can 'perform' no matter who the client is but for others , if they don't have chemistry it's not going to work. At the same can be said for clients. I have hired different guys across different price ranges. For me, number 1, the massage has to be good. If it's good and the price is right, I'll rebook. If not, even with a HE, I won't. I need to feel that when I get up off the table 'WOW!'

I think you know the answer. No. You suggest that you can get a more enjoyable massage for the same price. I put it all in context when I ask the question. If the masseur provides no “extras”, high price, and an excellent massage, do I prefer to enjoy all sorts of spa services for the same price and go to a spa? If the masseur gives an ok massage but hot extras do I just go to him when I want those extras and less of a massage? If the masseur gives a great massage and the extras I’m looking for, it is a no brainer. Thinking About this, I think Jose in NYC came the closest to that recently. Usually it’s never quite the massage I’m looking for, sometimes moves to sex too quickly, and sometimes the extras are blah (like today). Today my masseur was an ok technique and the HE was fine, but I didn’t walk out thinking wow, I feel great.

I noticed the same thing. Maybe it’s because we are all willing to pay them.... above 160 seems excessive to me.

I’m usually a lot more subtle than you guys. When lying face down, I just make sure my hands are as close to the edge of the table as they can be without falling off. If he’s even slightly interested, he knows where my hands are, he can put his bulge there. If he does, i subtlety move my fingers once, like I’m clenching my fist and “oops, happen to touch ‘it,’” but then it’s all up to him.
 
If he continues with it there (or on the other hand as well), then it’s game on for later. If he moves away, or when he goes to the other side he doesn’t come close, that’s all the hint I need that we won’t have any fun.
 
I’ve read many providers say if he’s “right there,” he knows it and it’s not a mistake. I’ve also had legitimate massages in legitimate spas where the masseur never even comes close to where you could feel him, so IMHO if you’re close enough that I can feel you, you’re doing it on purpose.