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Sounds like it was a misread or perhaps he felt the arm move was too aggressive or eager. This was only the second of four sessions? If he was curious, his behavior at the end of the session was firmly shutting that down. Appreciate and enjoy his therapeutic expertise and go back to your "amazing full service" guy for the extras.

It's not creepy to remove your pants if they're work slacks you don't want to wrinkle or if it would make you more comfortable and help you relax. What would make it creepy would be looking right at him and saying you plan to remove your pants and throw in a wink. That would be weird.

For the first time in a while, I've seen some new thoughts on the manner of spread of the virus. The gist of it is that we have not properly understood the nature of how it infects new cases. The article is pay-walled on the Atlantic, but the site allows a limited number of free articles each month.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/
 
For me the key conclusions are that the models of transmission that epidemiologists used from the outset in the pandemic were based on the way that influenza behaves, and that it is becoming apparent that SARS-CoV-2 works differently. Influenza spreads predictably, with a consistent chain of infection from one case to the next, with the virus being equally likely to spread from each case. This means that the R number is a valid representation of the likely speed of spread of an outbreak.
 
SARS-CoV-2 spreads differently. Most of the infections arise from a very small proportion of cases, in something that is analogous to the 80/20 rule. It spreads in clusters from super-spreader events: some infected people will infect a large number of others while most won't pass the virus on at all. The R number doesn't provide a useful indication of the spread of the virus.
 
This goes some way to explaining why the spread of the pandemic has not been predictable. Countries and regions with similar conditions had different patterns of infection. The measures that have been taken to stop its spread have generally worked but the instances where the virus has evaded them seem to have been few but each caused a large number of new cases rather than many with each causing a few (as would happen with influenza). In a sense it there was an element of chance in an individual being the source of further spread. In an extreme illustration, as few regions in Italy had most of the cases and deaths, while other regions with similar cultural and demographic conditions and similar health services had few.
 
This is significant for how it affects contact tracing. With influenza it makes sense for health authorities to track and trace people a patient has been in contact with while they were infectious because most cases will be transmitted to other people. With most cases of SARS-CoV-2 not being passed on to others there is less value in tracking forward to each patient's contacts, most won't have it. What is needed is backwards tracing. When you know that cases occur in clusters, there's more value in finding where each infection came from as that person will most likely have infected a number of other people at the same event.
 
This seems highly significant. It provides some insights into the sorts of circumstances where clusters are likely to arise—crowded noisy indoor events, choirs, closely packed bars, Rose Garden events—and to prioritise them for restrictions, with less emphasis in settings that are less likely to be the source of infection spread.

Hello!
 

Glad to hear you arrived at a place where you feel comfortable using PrEP! I started in April, 2016 and now wonder why I waited so long. The answer is simple: I wasn't ready. I had concerns about the side-effects (esp the bone changes, as I take powerful antibiotics at least twice a year to treat bronchitis and one of them can weaken tendons and bones) and had to get over the "just pop a pill" mindset."
 
When I started PrEP, Truvada was the only approved PrEP treatment. As soon as Descovy was approved I switched.
 

 
And my answers are:
 

Not being a pharmacist I can't speak to the pharmacological differences, but the one difference I noticed right off is Decovy is a much smaller tablet than Truvada. Thus, it is easier to swallow. Second, using Truvada I always had slightly elevated liver enzymes. That stopped once I switched.
 

Here's how I look at the sex/HIV and other STIs equation: There is a risk associated with everything we do in life, including having sex with people other than ourselves. (Anyone who has ever scraped their dick from masturbating too hard and too long knows there is risk associated with that too, but I digress). Based on what I've read and heard swallowing cum is relatively low-risk. Therefore, I've swallowed cum for years and years and loved every minute of it. Given the protection PrEP provides against HIV infection, I think it takes a low-risk activity and lowers the already low risk level.
 

While I don't think the qualifier was necessary (I think it goes without saying) it is refreshing to hear someone articulate that sentiment out loud and NOT when they are speaking to someone who wants to rest of us to validate their decisions and/or opinions.
 

I've said that many, many times and stand by the statement. Just want to add, though, that each party in the activity have a responsibility to the other party. Thinking back to my statement about having bronchitis twice a year, the bronchitis isn't contagious but it typically follows a bout with a nasty cold with is contagious. When I'm feeling sick I don't have sex and limit my contact with others because I don't want to get anyone sick. While some wave a cold off as "it's just a cold" mine become bronchitis or pneumonia and require two courses of antibiotics/prednisone and several months to go away.
 
 

No worries. Glad to help.

A good rule is "when in doubt, don't" (Which is precisely what you did)

Not sure why you would not get fully naked, let alone keeping your pants on, for a therapeutic massage at a spa/studio. For starters, getting naked avoids having oil or cream stain your clothes. It also allows the massage therapist to massage you without having to work around clothing. Lastly, it helps you relax.
 

One reason I can think of right off the top of my head is "it's a massage." The draping is there to keep your nether regions covered while the massage is happening. It obviates the need to keep your pants and/or boxers on.
 
All that said, it is fortunate you did not try to initiate sexual contact with the therapist, as it could have ended badly. Based on what you told us you did nothing inappropriate. I don't think you have anything to worry about should you go back to relieve more back pain.

Just to give you some perspective, a threesome is, for the most part, a fetish. Being with an existing couple is a niche in our little "industry". It's not for everybody. However it can be a powerful urge for some, especially if they want to feel what a loving, couple shares between them. We do a lot of therapy...lol. But then, we do a lot of just full-on fucking, too. We don't get a lot of the boyfriend experience requests (third wheel, and all). So, we are little more pricey. Our rates are $450 for an hour, $750 for two hours and $250 for each additional hour. We are both versatile tops with clients and open to most scenes. Overnights are $1800 and weekends are $5k. One of the benefits of having multiples is that the fucking can last twice as long. Frequently, our clients like to take their time. Having two lets you lengthen the amount of play time in a session.

This is the best approach. It has the benefit of clearly stating your interest without being rude and puts the control of his appearance right where it belongs, in his hands. Unless you're planning to hire for a week or however long it would take him to regrow his beard because he likely has clients into hairy guys.

i LOVE the concept of throwing out the skanks at the height of the action, so to speak.
 
That reminds of sessions with 'Muscle Stud Boy' (no longer in business) and Justin Herring (https://rent.men/JustinHerringg/#platinum). Both of these muscle heads absolutely loved bottoming / being dominated by believable MTF escorts with huge dicks. So much fun watching them get fucked mercilessly, then throwing the skanks out to finish between the two of us. That brings back .. memories

Cali.... I'm sure you can pick 2 hot escorts, pull up a chair with your popcorn and watch the live porn all night long!!!
 
I have hired straight guys that would LOVE to be watched fucking a hot chick. I remember reading once a guy would hire hot studs for a weekend. He would bring the studs to stripper bars and let them pick up one of the hot skanks. Deal was, the stud could fuck her as long as he wanted but he could not cum with her otherwise the stud wouldn't get paid. So he could fuck fuck fuck, then when he couldn't take it anymore he would have to kick her out and the hirer would get the pleasure of finishing off the stud when she left. The escorts supposedly loved the deal. Kinda hot actually eh?

As Peter Sellers said in the classic flick "Being There"....
 
I like to watch

I had an escort friend hire another escort for a birthday surprise for me....at The Essex House...Steve Roberts and Joe 12x7....I blew out all the candles and 2 huge cocks....Happy Birthday to me! Thanks Steve!?

The father of a friend of mine would go out to homes during the day to measure and give bids for window treatments. He said that most of the time he would be alone with just the wife as the husband would be off to work. He was handsome. He claimed he would have several sexual proposals each week.
 
This fantasy is not just a gay one.

A Verizon worker from Grindr and he showed up in his Verizon truck.

Sounds like it was a misread or perhaps he felt the arm move was too aggressive or eager. This was only the second of four sessions? If he was curious, his behavior at the end of the session was firmly shutting that down. Appreciate and enjoy his therapeutic expertise and go back to your "amazing full service" guy for the extras.

I did however have a regular I saw every week for a year or so thru discussions during our meet ups talk about loosing his regular job and how tight money was. He was very selective on who he saw so didnt see many people at all. He NEVER asked me for any advances for money ever but knowing his situation I offered to see him twice a week to help him out. More than able to help him. It was my call... my decision. He eagerly said yes. My father taught me to work for my money, so I did the same with this escort. A win/win for both of us.

This shows that any advice encouraging you to push things with a licensed therapist was bad advice. It commonly is. When this happens, you're better off simply enjoying the great therapeutic massage and the "will he/won't he" dynamic when it comes to any hanky-panky.
 
I think I've said this before here somewhere. I've gotten lucky with a few legit certified therapists over the years (including one working at a chiropractic office). What worked for me was the opposite of the advice you got. For example, if the guy grazed my balls I did not react at all. If the guy pressed a boner on my arm, I did not react at all.
 
That seems to communicate willingness better than reacting (either when the teasing happens or by changing your behavior during the next session). And I think that's because (a) an unwilling/straight guy would likely react to that by adjusting his position, (b) an unwilling/straight guy would likely feel uncomfortable and consequently wouldn't rebook, and © it suggests I'm not a creep who'll lunge for his dick if he decides to push the envelope a bit more. In my experience, a certified therapist will knock on your door, if you will, not to see if you'll bust it wide open... but instead to decide for himself, based on your reaction, whether he wants to risk checking if it's unlocked and try to slowly open it himself.
 
Of course, it's possible that one happens to book with a therapist who is legit waiting for the client to grab the therapist's wiener (or send an obvious signal that falls short of that). But the risk with assuming that is that the therapist might end up being offended if you got it wrong. And an offended therapist might blacklist you from his practice, report you to the doctor who gave you the prescription, or even overreact and call the police on you.

Warts are skin to skin transmitted. You'd be protected from getting internal warts, but skin around the dick is likely coming into contact with the skin of your ass, and you cpuld grt them on the outside. So get the shot if you haven't.

I've been told I'm overly trusting or generous, so perhaps it goes with the territory. Here are my relevant tales:
 
Back in college a friend needed money for a family emergency, I "loaned" him what he needed. He agreed to a repayment schedule and then didn't honor it. About 5 years later I receive a letter with a check, so I was eventually repaid even with a little interest.
 
About a decade ago, a workout buddy who I met at the gym 5-6 times a week for over a year asked for some help because his car was breaking down and he was worried he'd losing his job without a car. I gave him the 15k he needed for a used car. He promised to pay it back when he could. Everything was good for a couple months and then he vanished. Another couple months go by and suddenly he's back. Turns out the money was for a deposit and first/last rent on a new place for him and his gf. It took much longer than originally promised, but he eventually paid me back, left his gold digging gf, and at one of our parties met the woman he's now married to, so I guess that worked out well.
 
I guess I saved the best for last? The first time I hired, I made a critical mistake of not paying attention to the drinks I was offered. One was spiked with something that resulted in a 7 hour blackout, waking up naked on the bathroom floor, and an escort who was upset about me over drinking and a wasted night. I only remembered having the a beer and a shot or two, but I was very nervous since it was my first time, so I believed him, apologized, and paid for the night even though I'd only booked a 2 hour session. I stumbled out to my car only to realize my brand new iphone was missing. He claimed innocence and I wasn't thinking clearly, so after a little searching I went home thinking I'd somehow lost it. I disabled it as soon as I got home. Over the next couple weeks, it would appear and disappear on apple's tracking. Then one night, after I'd called the wireless company to disable/blacklist the phone, it appeared on the map around 4 am 20 minutes from my house. I'd supposedly lost it over an hour away. I never recovered it. All told, that night cost me a couple grand but that's cheap compared to dying from a drug overdose.

I've been told I'm overly trusting or generous, so perhaps it goes with the territory. Here are my relevant tales:
 
Back in college a friend needed money for a family emergency, I "loaned" him what he needed. He agreed to a repayment schedule and then didn't honor it. About 5 years later I receive a letter with a check, so I was eventually repaid even with a little interest.
 
About a decade ago, a workout buddy who I met at the gym 5-6 times a week for over a year asked for some help because his car was breaking down and he was worried he'd losing his job without a car. I gave him the 15k he needed for a used car. He promised to pay it back when he could. Everything was good for a couple months and then he vanished. Another couple months go by and suddenly he's back. Turns out the money was for a deposit and first/last rent on a new place for him and his gf. It took much longer than originally promised, but he eventually paid me back, left his gold digging gf, and at one of our parties met the woman he's now married to, so I guess that worked out well.
 
I guess I saved the best for last? The first time I hired, I made a critical mistake of not paying attention to the drinks I was offered. One was spiked with something that resulted in a 7 hour blackout, waking up naked on the bathroom floor, and an escort who was upset about me over drinking and a wasted night. I only remembered having the a beer and a shot or two, but I was very nervous since it was my first time, so I believed him, apologized, and paid for the night even though I'd only booked a 2 hour session. I stumbled out to my car only to realize my brand new iphone was missing. He claimed innocence and I wasn't thinking clearly, so after a little searching I went home thinking I'd somehow lost it. I disabled it as soon as I got home. Over the next couple weeks, it would appear and disappear on apple's tracking. Then one night, after I'd called the wireless company to disable/blacklist the phone, it appeared on the map around 4 am 20 minutes from my house. I'd supposedly lost it over an hour away. I never recovered it. All told, that night cost me a couple grand but that's cheap compared to dying from a drug overdose.

I believe your keyboard has a little problem with the caps lock

I wonder how much of these scams come down to sociopathic tendencies? Knowingly harming or hurting someone without remorse/little remorse and still going through with the act is considered anti social behavior. Many times brought on by very bad childhood trauma.
 
I met an escort in florida about 8 years ago in a coffee shop. Went out on actual dates with him for a few weeks. never a hire situation. Then I saw the ugly. Talked openly about how he wanted expensive things for his house. He would basically blackmail his clients if he knew they were married to give him money for his projects. Incredibly sweet and charming at first. Then the monster quickly reared its head. After those stories and saw those actions I said "bye bye". This man went beyond sociopath into psychopath realm!

Many years ago I was at an all-you-can-eat sushi night in the Coachella Valley and met a father and son who were contractors. I was in my late 30's. The dad was in his late 40's,- early 50's and the son was in his late 20's -early 30's. Dad was tall and lean, blondish and tan. Son was more built and also tan. Both were very cute. I didn't get any kind of vibe off of either of them.
 
I had an old home with a terra cotta tile roof that needed some work, so I arranged for the dad to come by one afternoon and give me an estimate. I was in the pool when he arrived so I just grabbed a towel (no suit in my pool!) and answered the door. Of course, midday in the desert means lots of sun and heat.
 
"Nice pool," he said.
 
"Thanks," I replied, "you're welcome to get in before we look at the roof."
 
That was all I needed. Within a minute, he was naked and we were both in the water. Dad had a dad-sized cock. I would love to tell you that Daddy and I did lots of fun things, but, this being a true story, Dad said that he had been injured and was unable to sprout wood with that large tool. Nevertheless, we had some naked pool fun.
 
I never used him to do any work, but months later, he called me to let me know that he was fully recovered and could get rock hard. His offer: him and his son, anything goes for 24 hours. We could fuck in any combination, or they could do work around the house - whatever I wanted for an entire day. The price tag $5,000!
 
Although a Father-Son 3-way is my number one fantasy, and although they were both hot, the price tag was out of the question, particularly since Dad had recently suffered performance issues. I should have countered with $500 for a 2 hour 3-way (this was almost 20 years ago, so $500 would have been a lot more than it is today), but, alas, I didn't.

This is a good way to get blacklisted.
 
Never let your dick do the thinking: Unless you're approached first, just let these guys do their job.

I have a moustache(mustache) and I Iove it. However, I would say that everything is a possibility for an experience.
 
Dont skirt around the issue, be direct. “I like men clean shaven, would you be willing to arrive clean shaven?” Is an appropriate question. Just be willing to compensate the person if they are removing a significant amount of facial hair, big mustache or long beard.

I would think part of the calculus for the escort would be how long is the appointment? He’s more likely to say yes to someone who is hiring for a weekend than he would be to someone who is hiring for an hour.