Rod Hagen

This is a fun thread. My instinct is always to raise my eyebrows when I hear a non-thai massage is on a bed. It seems unprofessional and is horrible for the Masseur's posture, and therefore his spine, muscles, and connective tissue. BUT there are many masseurs who do bed-only massages for years and years, and so who am I to say, "OY, your aching back!" This term "wiggle room" is a wonderful euphemism for haggling in the context of massage because how many of us were imagining a finger pressed on a prostate when reading it? Just me?? Ok. Anyway, I hate negotiating, it is insulting, especially when you don't know the guy. Even when you are friend's and you ask for less, temporarily, I can tell you that the clients almost NEVER goes back to what they were paying once their financial circumstances improve, even if they consider themselves the masseur's friend, and vice versa. And yet. There are times with a new guy, I have said yes. I'm not sure why, but I have. I guess I do the calculation: is this guy using a lame excuse like "I have to pay for parking" (I KNOW I KNOW, it sucks, but if that's a sticking point, find someone else whose parking is free, sorry!!)? If it's a lame excuse, I'll resent him, and the experience will mutually suck (ha ha). OR is it a valid negotiating point like he also has a shittily-EARNING job like being a masseur*** , and therefore has no money, but PROMISES to be a regular? I can also cancel the discount in the future if he proves NOT to be a regular as I see being a regular (monthly???). So, I guess, yes, you can ask but maybe have a good reason. I mean, you're utilizing and/or admiring a beautiful man's body for an hour AND he's spending the entire time focused on you (that is what a (good) massage is) maybe consider losing a streaming service or two before haggling. *** in my original post earlier this morning, I wrote "Shittily-paying", which was dumb because $200/hour is not a job that pays poorly, it's just that massage and escort are jobs that PAY well, but are unfortunately, for whatever reason, difficult to earn well.

Mike Carey, Marylander said Please. Please is a request, not a demand.

Best Sand Dabs in the world :-)

If you'd hired him and he was really late, then I'd get requesting an explanation. But your not his boss and, on top of that, you haven't even hired him yet for your tryst, so why insist you're owed an explanation from the "pokey" escort about what you see as a delayed response? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just don't understand two things: 1. Why presume the escort is obligated to tell you "why it took him so long" and 2. what does his responding within your timeline have to do with him being good or bad at sucking your cock, or going to dinner, or whatever? And this is a broader question for everyone, how does the escort being on-demand-responsive relate to his likely performance during the meeting?

It makes sense that it makes sense to your experience, and maybe to most folk's experience, it just doesn't gel as well w/my feelings toward the business. In any non-emergency business, I associate a snap-response to snapping fingers as either weak or desperate. I regard escorts available on-demand as desperate and clients giving escorts two hours to respond as bossy. I'm not saying it's a rational perspective, I'm not saying it probably hasn't cost me a lot of business through the decades, what I now see I am saying is I hate even the hint of being told what to do. ---> dinner at Le Bernardin for decades, but hope springs eternal…….grin OR a meal at Musso and Frank's! :-)

Not being his #1 initially compels me to become his #1 after meeting.

Totally racist, shocking that so many of us were cool with that then. AND a very very well-made movie. Just as well-made as Raiders of the Lost Ark. The musical number in Temple of Doom is a brilliant movie onto itself.

Shadowlands was always on my radar because I love DW and isn't it about CS Lewis? I love SOME of his writing. Some. Glad to know I can skip it, sorry you had to suffer it.

It is sad, and feels so odd. It consumed so many of us for so long, and now it's portrayed as historic.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I didn't know this. I never really followed Bomer, too attractive to be of interest to me, or too classically attractive I guess, but I thought he was always out, I guess I was wrong. IMDBing him now, wasn't he out the entire run of White Collar? (which I didn't watch)

Obama loved it. It's been in my Kindle since it came out....Sci Fi, even the best of it, is something I need to be pulled into reading, kicking and screaming. When I do read it, I'm sure I'll love it!

I get that in your experience if he doesn't respond in 2-3 hours he's not likely to, not that I can explain why that might be, I don't understand the last part of that sentence, nor the next graph. The escorts who respond in SHORTEST order in your experience prove more "worth it" because why? What is it, apart from the obvious of being constantly on-call call boys, that makes them seem best DURING THE SESSION as opposed to those (of us) who are on our own time?

Thank you. Forgot about this one. Just finished it. Interesting. Since I was already on his side, I wish he wasn't compelled to spend 1/3 of the book defending himself . Movie and life stuff was great. NYtimes review was shit.

Facile and silly response. To pick just one attribute, a tongue made for rimming is attractive wether or not there's money on the table.

Mike drop! :-)

Oddly, often the guys who charge WAY above average aren't digging the job. And many of us who do love the work, charge average or below and always have.

No No. Absolutely not. Glad you asked. I don't know if I'm arrogant....ok, I do know that I'm arrogant :-) And so if I get a message from someone, if they dont' say they are simultaneously reaching out to many, I assume they want me specifically, for whatever crazy reason :-) But if they say their window is short and so they are messaging multiple people RIGHT NOW then I know I'm one of many. Does that make sense Apple?

You type fast! :-) I changed my post a bit in the short time it took you to reply, please look above and see. Ok, sorry to hijack thread.

Fine then, wise-ass, indentured servant. You know this is not a standard business, that this is not the same as hanging Sheet-rock, right? That the person your gagging with your cock is an actual person and the intimacy that the job entails makes both of you, not just you, vulnerable and insecure, right? Be kind. Be gentle in how you talk about us. After all, how would you feel if your son were an escort and people talked about him in the same, entitled, you-will-do-what-I demand tone you seem to prefer because it's "a job"?

Which is why I (I know you weren't responding to my post) said "almost". If you are searching for, and finding, professionally trained masseurs who also offer sensual and/or erotic massage, you are doing your homework. Way to go! Even though you are likely disappointed occasionally, I have no doubt that your diligence stacks the deck/dick in your favor. The majority of people who hire masseurs don't sound as if they are looking for credentials. They are being led by their dicks, and then feeling bad, which is understandable, when the nonprofessional behaves nonprofessionally. I also blame masseurs for simply not thinking this fully through. If you are a licensed masseur BUT you offer erotic/sensual massage, don't mention your license in your ads or to your clients who aren't yet close friends. You are putting your license at risk, stay silent. However, you can say that you are certified. If you aren't specific as to which organization certified you, and you don't use your real name nor list what spas or facilities you might work at, there's really no risk (as long as your ad does not include face). Better yet, and perfectly both vague and honest, advertise as "professionally-trained." Problem solved. Oh if only everyone were as smart as I am :-)

My very close friend who passed away this last summer at 84 reported that at 82 his Morning woods pretty much ended. He certainly was able to get erections at other times of day or night, but the reflexive morning ones were gone.

When I was in my earliest 30s, I offered a discount ($150 vs. $220) to clients 18-25 years old. It was a tactic in an overall strategy to obtain more clients. I figured being 31, I wasn't old enough to be a daddy, but could certainly fill an "older/wiser" sibling role. It worked! And it was fun because these were guys who otherwise would not have had the experience (it was the "discount" that pulled them in), I felt fortunate to have come up with something both opportunistic and supportive. Speaking of tactics. If there are escorts in whom you are interested, but in their ads or reputations they seem to discriminate, keep an eye on them. Escorting is a BIG step, and for some new escorts it might just be what they need to do to that feel ok with it. If they continue to escort, their requirements will almost certainly shift as they become more comfortable, happy with, the job. If they retire quickly, they likely didn't enjoy escorting and you dodged a bullet.

Initially, tell the provider you are also reaching out to other providers.

Actually, repeat business wise. it's best to end by working on the back because in a non-erotic massage, or an erotic massage that is also professional, the back is what most clients remember, because God didn't make the spine right, and it always hurts.

Oh I totally get that. Even though I bought the very first iPhone AND I wear an Apple Watch Ultra daily, I just forget to look at my phone, in life, and people will say "What the fuck, I've been texting you...?"