LAdude424

This may be more about legit massage - where no advertising or discussion of "mutual touch"has been discussed - but I thought I'd add to the general direction of the conversation:
 
My standard MO is the be laying face down, have my hands on the side of the table, cupping around the edge. This just feels most natural for me - very gently gripping around the table's edge. Otherwise my hands feel almost unconformable open palms flat down, or palms flat up.
 
I must admit i do this for every massage pretty much, even at full on legit spa/hotel/resort places. And even if my hands are under a drape. You can kinda deduce where the masseur is most of the time, and I may ever so gently adjust my hands here and there if i feel it may position them a bit closer to the masseur's crotch. Then it's up to the masseur to drop some hints. Sometimes it's only 10 minutes in and I'm feeling a throbbing bulge directly on my hand. .OK.. .that's a VERY clear message. I've had massages where it never went any further than that. I feel his cock- through his pants, .,rub it, massage it... but he goes no further.. still i like that connection and intimacy (especially as part of a good massage in the first place - it's a small but very nice extra) I;d actually rather be rubbing his dick here and there while he gives a good massage, and have nothing else. than the sitaution where there is NO intimate touch for 55 minutes, then a very perfunctory hand job at the end. .that feels so disconnected and un-nurturing.
 
Often the crotch-brush-against-the-hand is the first signal form the masseur to hte client that "yes, we can a do a bit more " and most of the time it proceeds to at least a happy ending for me. If the masseur grabs my ass or dick, or whips his dick out, then I feel comfortable reciprocating, and of course backing off if he indicates it's off limits.
 
It's a bit of a dance. .especially at legit places.. he's kinda cautious about crossing a line, and I'm making sure I'm not being a hands perv of a client. But it's a dance I love and I admit, even someitmes contacting a guy on massagem4m or masseurfinder, I WONT have an explicit converstaion because I want to enjoy the testing of boundaries.
 
Every now and them a masseur will deftly take my hand and place it next to my body, AWAY from the edge of the table. I may gradually work my hand out to the side again, and if he puts it back next to my body a second time. I interpret that as OK.. message received. Nothing extra at all.. and that's OK
 
Again, this is for legit places. If a masseur ADVERTISES mutual touch, then i feel you should be comfortable gently and respectfully initiating contact and seeing if it's permitted (some mutual touch MUST be permitted) or if he terminates the contact.
 
I'd be interested in others' input here.

Another upvote for this post, especially the "enjoy the testing of boundaries" bit. It reminds me of a description I wrote in another forum years ago, in response to a guy who wondered if anything ever started in the steamroom of the gym, and how to initiate it. Always very subtle advances and an awareness of how they were being received, and proceeding (or stopping) based on that reception.
 
when I was first coming out, I had a massage from a guy who started with you on your back, then moved to you being face down, opposite of how most massages go. It wasn't until I was face down that he started rubbing his crotch against my hand, and it went where you would expect.

This would also mirror almost *exactly* my own MO. Especially since I do like good massage, the intimacy of touching nice, and fun beyond the massage is all bonus. I've had the same experiences in "pro/legit" as LADude424 in that regard. Even on a Princess Cruise ship once.

This is one of the best descriptions of procedure for a possible but unknown erotic massage I've ever read. Could be a handbook on how to proceed as far as I'm concerned.

This may be more about legit massage - where no advertising or discussion of "mutual touch"has been discussed - but I thought I'd add to the general direction of the conversation:
 
My standard MO is the be laying face down, have my hands on the side of the table, cupping around the edge. This just feels most natural for me - very gently gripping around the table's edge. Otherwise my hands feel almost unconformable open palms flat down, or palms flat up.
 
I must admit i do this for every massage pretty much, even at full on legit spa/hotel/resort places. And even if my hands are under a drape. You can kinda deduce where the masseur is most of the time, and I may ever so gently adjust my hands here and there if i feel it may position them a bit closer to the masseur's crotch. Then it's up to the masseur to drop some hints. Sometimes it's only 10 minutes in and I'm feeling a throbbing bulge directly on my hand. .OK.. .that's a VERY clear message. I've had massages where it never went any further than that. I feel his cock- through his pants, .,rub it, massage it... but he goes no further.. still i like that connection and intimacy (especially as part of a good massage in the first place - it's a small but very nice extra) I;d actually rather be rubbing his dick here and there while he gives a good massage, and have nothing else. than the sitaution where there is NO intimate touch for 55 minutes, then a very perfunctory hand job at the end. .that feels so disconnected and un-nurturing.
 
Often the crotch-brush-against-the-hand is the first signal form the masseur to hte client that "yes, we can a do a bit more " and most of the time it proceeds to at least a happy ending for me. If the masseur grabs my ass or dick, or whips his dick out, then I feel comfortable reciprocating, and of course backing off if he indicates it's off limits.
 
It's a bit of a dance. .especially at legit places.. he's kinda cautious about crossing a line, and I'm making sure I'm not being a hands perv of a client. But it's a dance I love and I admit, even someitmes contacting a guy on massagem4m or masseurfinder, I WONT have an explicit converstaion because I want to enjoy the testing of boundaries.
 
Every now and them a masseur will deftly take my hand and place it next to my body, AWAY from the edge of the table. I may gradually work my hand out to the side again, and if he puts it back next to my body a second time. I interpret that as OK.. message received. Nothing extra at all.. and that's OK
 
Again, this is for legit places. If a masseur ADVERTISES mutual touch, then i feel you should be comfortable gently and respectfully initiating contact and seeing if it's permitted (some mutual touch MUST be permitted) or if he terminates the contact.
 
I'd be interested in others' input here.

This may be more about legit massage - where no advertising or discussion of "mutual touch"has been discussed - but I thought I'd add to the general direction of the conversation:
 
My standard MO is the be laying face down, have my hands on the side of the table, cupping around the edge. This just feels most natural for me - very gently gripping around the table's edge. Otherwise my hands feel almost unconformable open palms flat down, or palms flat up.
 
I must admit i do this for every massage pretty much, even at full on legit spa/hotel/resort places. And even if my hands are under a drape. You can kinda deduce where the masseur is most of the time, and I may ever so gently adjust my hands here and there if i feel it may position them a bit closer to the masseur's crotch. Then it's up to the masseur to drop some hints. Sometimes it's only 10 minutes in and I'm feeling a throbbing bulge directly on my hand. .OK.. .that's a VERY clear message. I've had massages where it never went any further than that. I feel his cock- through his pants, .,rub it, massage it... but he goes no further.. still i like that connection and intimacy (especially as part of a good massage in the first place - it's a small but very nice extra) I;d actually rather be rubbing his dick here and there while he gives a good massage, and have nothing else. than the sitaution where there is NO intimate touch for 55 minutes, then a very perfunctory hand job at the end. .that feels so disconnected and un-nurturing.
 
Often the crotch-brush-against-the-hand is the first signal form the masseur to hte client that "yes, we can a do a bit more " and most of the time it proceeds to at least a happy ending for me. If the masseur grabs my ass or dick, or whips his dick out, then I feel comfortable reciprocating, and of course backing off if he indicates it's off limits.
 
It's a bit of a dance. .especially at legit places.. he's kinda cautious about crossing a line, and I'm making sure I'm not being a hands perv of a client. But it's a dance I love and I admit, even someitmes contacting a guy on massagem4m or masseurfinder, I WONT have an explicit converstaion because I want to enjoy the testing of boundaries.
 
Every now and them a masseur will deftly take my hand and place it next to my body, AWAY from the edge of the table. I may gradually work my hand out to the side again, and if he puts it back next to my body a second time. I interpret that as OK.. message received. Nothing extra at all.. and that's OK
 
Again, this is for legit places. If a masseur ADVERTISES mutual touch, then i feel you should be comfortable gently and respectfully initiating contact and seeing if it's permitted (some mutual touch MUST be permitted) or if he terminates the contact.
 
I'd be interested in others' input here.

http://www.masseurfinder.com/members/timbobiscuit.shtml
 
I've been looking at his profile for a while. Any details on his skills and any extras?

I can give you some details on black masseurs in LA. Some of whom may escort.

I can give you some details on black masseurs in LA. Some of whom may escort.

Don't Argue with a Troll[/b]...They are very set in
>their ways, They get very angry very fast. When they get
>angry they play. on.
 
I once hung around a forum for Macintosh users which had more than it's share of trolls. We found arguing or even replying to them only made them worse. Someone finally suggested we just change the subject. So, it was announced that whenever someone began flaming, someone should just begin discussing pizza.
 
It was incredibly effective, however it confused the holy heck out of anyone who was in on the joke. ;-)

Yes I tried a spa that was advertised like this on Backpage. Located in Sunland. Was expecting a masseur and a masseuse started the massage I then had to try and communicate that I preferred a masseur. Finally the guy in reception finished the massage. Just a massage nothing else which was fine since it was just on a whim I don't usually do the spa or massage parlor thing. Too many memories of old cop movies showing raids on these establishments LOL. There are a few guys that advertise on m4m and when you call it is a spa and you don't get who you are calling for. So there is that situation to be aware of too.