Obsidian

I appreciate you painting the picture of "the other side". Decency and respect are obligations of BOTH parties, however we mostly only hear about one. 

Flipping the script on this topic. Here’s my worst provider experience with a client in 2025. He likes to use G in his sessions. He is the reason I will no longer tolerate client drug use.
I saw him for two hour sessions about half a dozen times over several months, once with my provider friend Newell (MuscleGingerXL). He was nice enough. Long sad story about how he got clean and used to work for Goodwill inspiring others to get sober. Now he’s a junkie again, spending every last dime on providers and drugs. He always paid, until he started asking me to wait while he “moved money around” before sending it. Never a good sign.
The next session he asked if he could pay later that day. Red flag city. I should have cut the cord. Eventually he paid me days later after a lot of follow up. He may be sketchy but he always follows through. Until he didn’t.
I agreed to one more session, but I was not going to leave until he paid me. This time he had a visitor over in his bathroom showering…for over an hour. While we were in session. I didn’t care that the visitor was in the next room, but then the client asks if he can have his friend join us. He wanted to watch us play. I agreed. It took a while for him to get the guy out of the bathroom. Weird. Red flag.
Then in walks a guy I can best describe as a scraggly 20 something meth head Jesus. The client watched us play as he requested. I was weirded out because I noticed at some point Jesus had open sores on his body, and not of the stigmata variety. WTF. Not cool.
The client suddenly leaves the room and doesn’t come back after a while. Concerned, I go look for him but he is nowhere to be seen in the house. I ask his roommate the client’s whereabouts to no avail. I go back to the client’s room and chat with Jesus for a while. Jesus goes looking for him, can’t find him either. Time is coming to an end and I have something booked after I have to travel for. So I’m not sure what to do. The client went MIA.
Then the client suddenly emerged, teary eyed. Apparently he was hiding in a shed in his back yard, sobbing, really upset by something I apparently did. WTF. I explained that I had to get going and that he needs to pay me. He ran off and hid in the shed again. WTF. So I decided to leave.
The client later goes on a tirade blaming me for all his emotional distress. I try to calm him down and come back the next day while he is not on drugs to talk. We go through everything and he comes to agree with me that it was on him for taking so much G, and that he shouldn’t have brought a vagrant in off the street and involved him in our session. It was disrespectful to the vagrant and to me to use each of us in that way. But he says that I was into the vagrant (I wasn’t, believe me) and that I ignored him (I didn’t, I kept checking in asking if he was enjoying himself), and that I took advantage of him. After all that he reluctantly agrees to pay me, saying he will send it later that day. I leave.
I wasn’t holding my breath. After a lot of long, histrionic, barely intelligible texts from the client in the following days, the client decided not to pay me after all, and turns downright nasty. I finally concluded that I have to block him, cut my losses, and move on. I know where he lives. I could make his life a living hell, but I don’t have time for games or petty bullshit. And that’s not the kind of person I am.
Fast forward to this month. A provider I know in Las Vegas reached out asking if I knew [client] and I warned the provider to not see the client, that he was mentally unstable and on drugs. The provider decided to see him anyway. Apparently the client has alienated everyone in San Diego, so he is asking for sessions with men hundreds of miles away now. My provider friend tells me the client goes around flashing his gun in his trashy circus circus hotel room and is taking more drugs. Seriously unsafe, and unhinged. Eventually the client pays *part* of what he owes the provider, but it was with money he asked to borrow from a friend.
So sad. No more seeing clients who use. It’s unsafe, unreliable, and unnecessary.
You guys may have flaky provider experiences at times, but man, some of us providers really go through the wringer with these sketchy clients. All the more reason so many of us are guarded, jaded, and unwilling to put up with clients displaying any hint of red flag behavior. We have to protect ourselves.

I sometimes check to see the profiles that visited me, if it has been multiple times, I will reach out to them. If I dont get an answer back, I will either block or ignore it as they are not serious probably.

here is the thing - if you look at pages 100 times and you don't book, you are NOT a client, and you will never become a good client. 
Advertising research suggests that when someone has viewed a webpage only business 10 times, this is the most likely time that would convert to a sale. SO going over this by ten times the amount shows it is never going to happen. 
I would feel annoyed. How would a restaurant feel if a customer came in and dined once, then come back every day and just looked at the menu.  

You'd be surprised what some people will pay. If he's charging that, it's cause people are paying it. I worked with one provider who i actually ended up vibing well with and we hung out for a couple hours after our session. He told me a story about a celebrity who hired him and gave him 10k for spending a week with him. There for sure are guys operating on the very high end of this stuff. It made me feel like such a peasant in the moment 😂

Danny, I suspect you have unearthed the identity of the client in the post above! 

Danny- You flaked on me twice last summer at the last minute.  Your complaint gave me a good laugh.
 
 

Sorry that happened to you, and thanks for sharing.

I understand you. Do you take Saw Palmetto supplements? I have been taking it for years now daily per advice from my urologist. And while it's not a miracle cure, it does help together with my regular prostate medication for both my prostate and ED. 

"Blacks and Asians sometimes like to face their inferiority by having sex with a superior white person" reads like a humungous Freudian slip.
Bad form.

Was I "disparaging" or was I sharing my observations ? 
Prove my observations wrong and then perhaps they are disparaging. But if they are factual..they are merely facts.

Well...fortunately I married at 35 so I am not IN the dating pool. 
I get a lot of younger Asian women and Latino guys hitting on me all the time...so I could probably be pretty busy if I were single.

Urban Dictionary: Pig Play
WWW.URBANDICTIONARY.COM Raunchy gay sex. If one refers to themselves as a pig, they usually have few limits in terms of sex. Typically, bottoms...  

Yes, and while sticking to the original question don't hurl insults towards entire demograpics of people. I know this sounds crazy but, when insulted most do the same in return.

The only fact is, you are what you're insulting others as being. "The bottom of the pool", the last one someone would want. Hence why you have to pay, and most of your free time is spent here in an alternate reality. At the end of the day, you're the one that has to pay, not me. The guys you pay in pretend world wont call you on your BS, in the real world we do.

What else you got "Mr. they idolize me and everyone wants me", yet i have to pay?

You're already busy, busy here disparaging entire demographics of gay men with your unfounded data based solely on your insecurities. You should be proud.

Aww, thank you 🥰.
Attitude is everything.  The older and fatter and balder I get, the more I find I have to rely on my personality when trying to flirt with someone. 😆 
I was taught as a young man that "Attitude is Everything" and "If someone thinks he is a victim, he will stay a victim." It takes a lot of mental work and meditation and spiritual guidance to stay positive, but what in life is worth something that doesn't take work?

I hope it says I don't put much stock in numbers (except for notches on my bed post 😈)

The topic of suspected law enforcement showing up pretending to be a client or an escort has been discussed here dozens of times (that I can remember) in various threads.  I don't remember who shared it, but the best advice I heard was: 
When you or he shows up for the appointment, immediately start with a long passionate kiss when the door is first opened.  That SHOULD be enough to guarantee that the other person is not an undercover cop.

The first thing you're right about.."not debating me". You're clearly not able to debate because your ignorance has you unable to support your points. All you can produce is rhetoric and insults. You proved that each time you try to respond and save face. You've been trying to win this since yesterday, YOU let it go. If you dont want to get destroyed in debates, save your 1950's views for the guys you have to pay money to get off.

Understood. This started from the comments: "Asians and Blacks are inferior to Whites, and the bottom of the dating pool. The comments came from a member that's been here a decade.

Yes, and while sticking to the original question don't hurl insults towards entire demograpics of people. I know this sounds crazy but, when insulted most do the same in return.

What else you got "Mr. they idolize me and everyone wants me", yet i have to pay?