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  1. " ... And if you want every movie to be like "Beale Street," White people might not want to see them.

     

    Based on its box office grosses, seem like Black people do not want to see it either.

  2. Now that this movie has put the name Don Shirley in the public conciousness, I hope some Hollywood producer (Octavia Spencer, perhaps?) would think about a

    companion movie all about Dr. Shirley's life. I think that would be a very interesting movie going experience.

  3. Oscars 2019 overlooks ‘Green Book,’ ‘Bohemian’ backlash

     

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/oscars-2019-overlooks-green-book-bohemian-backlash/

     

    That would be a yes, I guess.

     

    It's not a bad thing that films that would have been cutting edge half a century ago (Guess Who's Coming To Dinner) or a generation ago (Driving Miss Daisy) are passé today.

     

    I saw Green Book a week ago and If Beale Street Could Talk last night. It's noteworthy that the first got a Best Picture nomination, the second didn't.

     

    The complaint about Green Book that I take the most seriously is this:

     

    Shirley's own family condemned the film, saying filmmakers never reached out to them for accuracy during the making of the biopic. Nephew Edwin Shirley III told Shadow and Act that the depiction of his uncle, who had marched at Selma and was close friends with Nina Simone, being uncomfortable with his blackness as "just 100% wrong.”

     

    Same could not be said of Beale Street. Of course, it's fiction, so no one could complain about accuracy. Both films were perfectly willing to show the flaws in their Black protagonists. And the whole point of Green Book was that Shirley was on tour to challenge the Southern White establishment and their rules. But having said that, Beale Street embraced Blackness in a way Green Book didn't.

     

    I won't repeat everything I said on another thread, but Green Book was a lot easier to sit through, and more entertaining, as a White person. Beale Street was a lot more challenging. I suspect that's why Green Book got more Oscar nods than Beale Street.

     

    Same thing as Selma a few years ago. Both movies made a point to include kind Whites who took a stand for justice, or - in the case of Selma -gave their lives in service of the civil rights movements. But both movies also had overwhelmingly Black casts, and the main White characters that moved the action along were racists. Hollywood has yet to prove it can embrace a movie like that, either at the box office or at the Oscars.

     

    None of which is a surprise. Seeing them close together, my emotional reactions were completely opposite. Green Book made me feel good, to the point of being saccharine: Let's hear it for White heroes! Beale Street made me want to crawl out of my White skin, because everything it portrayed about deep and systemic racism rang completely true.

     

    If Green Book and Beale Street are now the book ends of what Hollywood puts out, that's progress.

     

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    Oscars 2019 overlooks ‘Green Book,’ ‘Bohemian’ backlash

     

    https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/oscars-2019-overlooks-green-book-bohemian-backlash/

     

    That would be a yes, I guess.

     

    It's not a bad thing that films that would have been cutting edge half a century ago (Guess Who's Coming To Dinner) or a generation ago (Driving Miss Daisy) are passé today.

     

    I saw Green Book a week ago and If Beale Street Could Talk last night. It's noteworthy that the first got a Best Picture nomination, the second didn't.

     

    The complaint about Green Book that I take the most seriously is this:

     

    Shirley's own family condemned the film, saying filmmakers never reached out to them for accuracy during the making of the biopic. Nephew Edwin Shirley III told Shadow and Act that the depiction of his uncle, who had marched at Selma and was close friends with Nina Simone, being uncomfortable with his blackness as "just 100% wrong.”

     

    Same could not be said of Beale Street. Of course, it's fiction, so no one could complain about accuracy. Both films were perfectly willing to show the flaws in their Black protagonists. And the whole point of Green Book was that Shirley was on tour to challenge the Southern White establishment and their rules. But having said that, Beale Street embraced Blackness in a way Green Book didn't.

     

    I won't repeat everything I said on another thread, but Green Book was a lot easier to sit through, and more entertaining, as a White person. Beale Street was a lot more challenging. I suspect that's why Green Book got more Oscar nods than Beale Street.

     

    Same thing as Selma a few years ago. Both movies made a point to include kind Whites who took a stand for justice, or - in the case of Selma -gave their lives in service of the civil rights movements. But both movies also had overwhelmingly Black casts, and the main White characters that moved the action along were racists. Hollywood has yet to prove it can embrace a movie like that, either at the box office or at the Oscars.

     

    None of which is a surprise. Seeing them close together, my emotional reactions were completely opposite. Green Book made me feel good, to the point of being saccharine: Let's hear it for White heroes! Beale Street made me want to crawl out of my White skin, because everything it portrayed about deep and systemic racism rang completely true.

     

    If Green Book and Beale Street are now the book ends of what Hollywood puts out, that's progress.

     

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    I guess it all comes down to how we view movies. Hard to do sometimes, but when I watch a movie, I try to divorce myself from everything else that`s going on outside the theater and focus entirely and solely on what`s up on that screen. As such, I enjoyed The Green Book tremendously. Just a simple straight forward story of two guys from completely different backgrounds who, at the end of the movie, realized they`re not so different after all. That`s it! And that it was presented with great cinematic skill, terrific acting, and entertainment value also contributed to a satisfying time at the movies. I refuse to feel guilty about having a good time at the movies. I prefer to do a deeper dissertation about race relations and other social issues going on in the world in another time and venue. One critic even implied there should have been more homoeroticism between the two leads. Seriously?

     

    Saw Beale Street, too. Cinematically, I found it pretentious and left me cold and bored. Sorry.

  4. People did actually leave from the showing I went to. I thought it was worthwhile, but I wouldn't watch it again, something I do often with movies.

     

    The only Oscar-nominated films I've watched more than once are A Star Is Born and The Green Book. I'd be happy if either one won Best Picture.

  5. Oh Roma. I wanted to like you but...

    ...that's a little over 2 hours of my life that I will never get back.

    I am a sucker for long tracking shots, but this movie just exhausted me with them. I thought that car-chase scene in Alfonso Cuaron's Children of Men was shot masterfully, so this one was a head-scratcher.

    Upstairs-Downstairs stories are also catnip for me. But in this movie, my eyes rolled back. Hard.

    The acting was worthy of 2 nominations? I respectfully disagree.

    I just felt it was very indulgent. Narcissistic, even.

     

    Thank you for this, LoveNDino. Saved me precious time and money. You just confirmed my gut instinct about this movie.

  6. The PGA, which has been aligned with the Oscars for Best Picture 12 out 18 times this century, picked The Green Book as Best Picture this year. Is the backlash against this movie getting its own backlash?

  7. I went to a masseur in his 20's who started the conversation saying he's doing it part time while waiting for publication of his book. I made the mistake of asking what's it all about. He talked nonstop about some really traumatic horrific and depressing atrocities done to him when he was a child which he described in graphic details. By the time for the HE, I was so depressed I lost all my libido and couldn't get it up at all. I felt like I was molesting him. Left unsatisfied, depressed and feeling sorry for him. Too bad because massage was good, in the nude, and he was good looking.

  8. Love this movie. That line by Colman about Emma Stone's "tongue" caused outbursts of shocked laughter. I just wish it went full on bizarre and weird like Dogtooth and Lobster.

  9. I only caught the last hour of the re-airing, & was glad to see Glenn Close win over Lady Gaga & the others. Great humble/honest speech too. Hope she also wins @ the Oscars next month. ?

     

    This was an extremely weak year for movies, nothing really excited me from the ones I got to see. The ones I didn't get to see look pretty meh, so I'm not even going to bother with them. Bohemian Rhapsody is as overrated as the band was... It winning best pic, & for drama, was a joke. Gaga's movie looks even worse -_-

     

    A Star Is Born is notches above Bohemian Rhapsody technically and in general. Aside from the LiveAid concert, Bohemian Rhapsody is a network TV movie. HBO's Liberace and Versace TV movies were more daring and challenging.

     

    I enjoyed The Green Book more than I expected . I can see why it won Supporting Actor, Screenplay, and Best Picture Comedy. It's funny and moving with terrific performances. I think the backlash is coming from the PC police.

  10. I noticed this long ago and attributed it to the “older crowd” having had military service back in the days of the draft. “In my day...” there was no privacy in military training and during many types of later service.

     

    This did it for me. You HAVE TO shower with and change clothes in front of 20-30 other naked guys. You share a room with 3 other guys and have guys running around naked in the barracks. By the time I got out of the military, every last bit of my inhibition and guilt about nudity (thanks to a fanatically religious family) has been shredded.

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