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I was in PV three nights: sun-tues, 1-3 feb. I speak internediate Spanish, which was helpful. (Lest I fail in my choice of words, I'd like to clarify that my disappointing experience should not b misconstrued as criticizing the venues, the dancers or enthusiastic members here.) I planned to attend 3 nights, but sunday night was so rainy (surprising also the locals), I decided to stay at hotel. Wet: Per recs here, on Monday I headed there first. 22:30 was too early, so I returned at 23:10, and sat at the bar directly in front of a guy with an impressive dick taking a shower. He was the first and last to shower. Two others followed him to dance dry, and that's it; no more dicks at my face. On the left, a guy was pole-dancing to 3-4 patrons, and around 7 guys were sitting along the back focused on their cellulars. Also, a relatively young overweight patron was sitting with a guy on each side, his hands on their knees, frozen and awkward. Two more at the bar, indifferent. None of the guys appealed to me. Most were too big and muscled for me; the rest unattractive (I like them lean masculine). I tipped each dancer 20 pesos (with a grope), and a nice guy who just chatted with me - 100. Contrary to reports here, no one was pushy. Several came up to me, but immediatelly left when I said "no thank u". Same scene repeated on Tuesday. Also, on each night there was one dancer I tipped that I wanted to have him sit with me, but both hurried away before I could say something, not to b seen again... )-: 69: On both nights it was livelier than Wet. I walked slowly around the empty stage, ordered a drink, and went up to the 2nd floor. Several guys came up to tempt me, but I said "thnk u, no; u r too big for me". They accepted it gracefully. On the 2nd night, I at last saw some action. On the 2nd floor not far from me stood together two patrons-friends, each one jerking off a guy for like five minutes. Later I was approached separately by two guys more-my-type. We chatted and made out a bit (free access to dicks), with me slipping a 100 pesos bill every 3-4 minutes. Intrstng to note: since the bill went directly into their undies to wrap their dick, they couldnt see the sum. One of them was actively rubbing my dick thru the pants, the other was less promiscuous. When I made a half-gesture of bending down to suck, both backed away. Both tried to lure me to a private dance, but I explained I dont want to pay 2000 for looking at the watch all the time. They didnt argue. B-mine: It was the 3rd venue I walked into, and I was struck by how full of energy it was relative to the two others. Howevet, a quick glance showed that again there were no guys my type. Since the music's volume was MUCH MUCH MUCH louder, I didn't even stick around for a drink. On tuesday it was closed. Bottom line: At the Montreal clubs I found guys my type without prblms, including 3 private dances. Maybe I could have found also in PV, had I attended during the weekend. Anyway, if u r looking for big or musceled or chubby guys - u won't b disappointed.

Begins nice; then weird; ends disappointing. The interaction thru whatsapp was NICE and efficient. They sent their very clear menu, instructions and recommendations. From the two slots available for the next day, I picked Albert for (my first ever) 50 minutes tantric massage. I did so after making sure it wasn't spiritual but sensual. When I was escorted upstairs, Albert asked if I wanted to shower and I said yes. He directed me to the shower, for some reason repeating again and again "stay there". In those 30 seconds I saw the faces of two other clients in their rooms. Strange. Then another man came to the shower and asked me in an investigating tone: "Why do u want to shower?" I was shocked. I answered: "Well, first of all your instructions said to shower before. Secondly, I walked here, so I m a bit sweaty." He relented. The whole exchange was WEIRD. The bathroom is tiny, with no place to hang clothes. No shower gown, so I dressed up, walked 10 steps to the room, and undressed again. The massage room was good and professional; Albert was not. He proceeded to give me a totally regular sexual massage. His touch was nice. After about 7 minutes he started pressing his crotch into my palms; I obliged. Then he took off his pants and did so again. Two or three times he stopped massaging me and just stood there while I fondled him. His dick grew hard. Then he asked me to flip, did some more caressing, and offered his dick for sucking. I twice had to guide his hand to my dick, bcs he was just standing there. His jerking technique was rather crude. After the deed he helped me clean up. I paid the 1300 pesos without adding a tip, and left 40 minutes after I had entered. Total DISAPPOINTMENT. The next day I was surprised to get a message inquiring whether I was satisfied. I answered shortly I was not, bcs it wasn't tantric, bcs it wasn't 50 minutes, and bcs of the wierd shower. I didn't mention Albert's attitude. They answered they were sorry. That's it. I won't return.

Apolo and massage for men: their websites and their google reviews do not include even a hint of sexual extras. How do I broach the subject without being insensitive indiscrete coarse impolite etc?

How much is a basic tip, I guess for sitting with me 10 minutes? For the shower show? For touching fondling groping? Kissing? Sucking him? Him being interactive? Am I being naive... ?

Wise strategy How much did u tip them? Since this shower is obviously such a success, how come others dont copy?

Thx a lot! How long r the private dances? Like one song = three minutes? How much for sucking them? Is it allowed to take two dancers to the private room? Paying each of them of course, but only one payment for the room?

Probably due to my ignorance, m very surprised by hotel prices there. Almost all the rcmndd r $300 + )-:

Any recommended hotels that dont care about visitors? Would it help if I reserve double occupancy?

Thnk u VERY much; quite enlightening. I had read that guys there prefer pesos to dollars; guess it's not always so. M pestering with money questions, bcs OOH - I dont want to b disrespectful offering too little, OTOH - dont want to b taken advantage of as an ignorant newbie. Seems like u were tipping $3-4 (60 pesos) every 5 minutes. Does it matter if its musclelworshipping or erection playing or sucking? VERY useful tip to negotiate b4 going private. Whats the rates there for body cntct, sucking, etc? Does it matter con/sin leche ?

Meaning, u speak spanish or he speaks english... ?

Thank u, Vegas. Pinata charges $300+ per night.

As a newbie, I just noted there r 3 dfrnt threads on PV. Having done my due diligence reading thru all of them, I have some questions: 1 - r the guys endowed brazil or DR size? 2 - beyond the set rates for private dances, there's a lot of tipping for the shows or for sitting, but scarce mention of sums. How much is a tip for a guy doing his rounds after a pole or a shower ? 3 - msclwrspr sat 2.5 hours with two hunks together or alternating. How much do I tip for such LT personal attention? How much for 10 minutes sucking? 4 - any recommended hotels in the vicinity? Thnk u one and all for posting reporting sharing (-:

Thank u, Vegas!!! So, on average u paid 20 usd every 7 minutes; which is half of the going rate for a private dance in the US. How much is a private dance in 69 ? All activities-rates (kiss, suck, cum) should b explicitly negotiated in details beforehand ? I undrstnd all these guys r not-sucking straights, but they have no prblm realy kissing? Assuming I'll want to play around for an hour, it seems I'll b leaving there 200 usd - drinks, tips, larger payments..... ?

For us newbies, could all you experienced guys be more graphic and detailed regarding activities and rates? For example: Vegas, who had "non-private fun on the couch with a dancer on his lap" - what does that mean? Mutual groping? Kissing? Dicks outside? Sucking? How much money per time/activity? One of the posters mentioned a respectful dancer wiping his cum off the patron's lips. Is that a private dance? Is it like montreal - every dance 2 minutes / 20 dollars, with activity escalation? Newbies would be grateful for clarifications...(-:

So most of the pics r from non-professionals, who either dont care or have been careless..... ?