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Well that’s equally creepy and hot ...

Me, too. Excellent example of a "teachable moment."

Oh, right, clearly the now 60-something woman who told me this was disgusted by it at the time. It was, much like with Levine, a cult-like following with a very famous virtuoso with a forceful personality and pride in his sexual prowess. The combination of that hero-worship and the ethos of the sexual revolution was toxic. In music conservatories, student/teacher sexual relationships were not something the majority of faculty participated in, but there certainly were plenty. Most were with graduate students, and most of the faculty were men getting or already divorced. And then there were the stories about students running into faculty and staff at the baths back in the pre-AIDS days, which is kind of like, I suppose, what happens now on Grindr (faculty/staff and students encountering each other).

In “Ask an Escort,” there was a recent thread about an email sent by a prospective client to an escort. The escort thought it was overly long and shared it with another client who thought it was ridiculous/humorous, and shared it with us. As part of the long ensuing discussion, I mentioned that I work in academia and that I wish more of the emails and memos I read were as short as the anxiously verbose email that prompted the discussion. Here’s an example of what I was referring to. It’s an exchange betweeen anonymous law school students who objected to a professor wearing a #blacklivesmatter shirt and their (white) professor. http://www.pajiba.com/miscellaneous/law-professor-absolutely-destroys-student-letter-protesting-her-wearing-a-black-lives-matter-tshirt.php#.Wptx3urH2gk.facebook

I work in classical music. I studied at Juilliard in the 1970s--there were tons of rumors about him then. Back in the aftermath of the sexual revolution, there was nothing like today's clarity regarding power imbalances. Sexual relationships between teachers and students were not the norm, but certainly a widespread phenomenon that was pretty much accepted. Blair Tindall's book "Mozart in the Jungle," the inspiration for the Amazon series, describes how pervasive this was at the North Carolina School of the Arts, where she attended high school, as well as in New York conservatories. (In NC, there were plenty of affairs between faculty and high school students, no rules against it, and a very, very low age of consent.) So we just rolled our eyes, I think, and of course most of us only heard gossip. And we'd hear gossip about all sorts of people, some of which we knew wasn't true. Those 60s/70s ideas of sexual freedom blinded a lot of people to damage we now recognize as a culture. I remember that in the late 70s, anyway, NAMBLA (the "North American Man/Boy Love Association," I think) was an accepted part of some gay pride parades and part of the movement. Some people thought that minors should have the freedom to have sexual relationships with older men. I doubt I could name all the big-name musicians who taught at major conservatories who had sexual relations with their students, and at the time everyone more or less accepted it as just the way it was. There was a famous virtuoso at one big midwestern university whose female students were, one of them later told me, like a kind of harem for him. And the young women, or some of them, competed to be the one he slept with. Our standards have changed so much! Meanwhile, Levine's chickens have come home to roost. And the idea that people at the Met didn't know anything, and didn't somehow enable all this, just seems absurd to me. Everyone in the classical music/opera profession was sure all sorts of stuff was going on.

Yes--the exact same photos. Many thanks!

Many thanks! The discussion of "Hunter" mentioned ruining his body with "ink," and "Alex" has quite a tattoo, so I was wondering. "Hunter" seems to have disappeared.

Bumping this to ask those who were discussing "Hunter Maverick" if "Alex Maverick" is the same guy (at least the photos). Thanks!

Anyone had an experience with this guy? https://rent.men/AlexMaverick Definitely seems to be a different Alex than this guy: https://www.daddysreviews.com/search/Active/Alex/alex_indianapolis, who does not seem to be advertising anymore, at least not in Indy. Thanks!

What about during different phases of life? Probably a lot of us who have raised kids went through this or a similar progression: High school if we had our own room: naked In college with roommate: boxers/briefs, maybe a t-shirt (in the military, boxers) After college on own: naked Living with boyfriend/girlfriend/wife: naked Children arrive: back to boxers or pajamas and wearing robe Kids off on their own: back to naked (especially if no longer married to a woman) My son had a freshman-year college roommate who slept in his clothes and never took his pants off except in a private bathroom, so there certainly are variances!

I know about Indy slim pickings!

I don’t see him listed in Indy, just NYC.

Ah, why didn't I think of that? I see he's met with approval, and there were some great other suggestions in one of the threads. Thanks!

Here are his reviews: http://daddysreviews.com/review/tyler_adams_nyc

You're likely to get more response to this in the Deli, where we discuss specific escorts. The Lounge is for more general gossip and conversation. Hope you are enjoying it here!

I've been exploring possibilities for a hire in NYC later this week (into younger muscle jock types). A coupke standouts, especially IrishJoshXL and AdrianoJose have been quick to reply and answer my questions. Another guy, who was my original first choice, just never told me what his rates are--so impossible to decide on one or two hours, for example. (I assume he's what seems to be the current NYC standard rate of about $300 for one hour). We are all human, and I will admit I sometime an weakest at the self-promotion and business aspects of my own profession. And here we are dealing often with inexperienced guys in their 20s, often without the guidance of a mentor.

Thanks for sharing! These guys are a bit twinkier than I'm into (I'm more into the college muscle jock types) but I appreciate you spreading the word.

And one more bump. Looks very hot, answered my text promptly. $250 in, $300 out. Anyone experienced him?

Anyone been with this guy? Doesn't seem to be reviewed here, but has some nice text reviews on rentmen. https://rentmen.eu/collegeAthlete

Exactly! Look, I’m a client. I pay for an escort’s time. Usually what I want to do with most of that time ... well, it isn’t talking. There are a lot of people I do business with that I enjoy working with, but you’d have to pay me to have lunch or dinner with them. In any professional relationship, two people may connect and decide to share a meal. Sometimes escorts will accept a meal after a session, and in those cases it would be because the escort actually enjoys being with the client outside of that work zone. A meal off the clock before a first session? Doubt that ever happens, or if it does, only rarely.

I have a hunch he can learn to enjoy getting a blow job. Part of him wants an adventure and posted those picks; another part of him is unsure. Meanwhile, I’m not surprised he didn’t answer my text about Thursday night in NYC.

Coming to NYC for a short business trip, looking to hire college jock, muscle-twink type guy. The much discussed Justin/Alam is out of my price range. "Tommy" has caught my eye. No reviews here. Anyone have experience with him? https://rent.men/Twink_tommy Other suggestions welcome! Thanks.

Thanks, everyone. Just writing this all out and help me to let it go, and viewing the responses the next evening, I am unsurprised by their unanimity. Much appreciated.

I had a fuck buddy years ago who said that when we was about 15, he and a friend we experimenting and tried a cucumber as a dildo. It inadvertently went all the way in one of them, and a fork was then used in the attempt to extract it. I don’t remember whether they got it out or had to go to the hospital.

I joined a local gym back in June to work with their trainers (I can use the gym at the college where I work, but there are no trainers other than a few college kids who don’t know that much about training). I’m in a small college/farm town, and this is the only place not an hour away with trainers. There were two—I’ll call them Kathy and Mark. Both very nice, both effective. During my trial period, I found Mark to be particularly effective in adapting exercises to my fitness level, identifying places where I was tight and spending extra time showing me stretching exercises, etc. So when I bought a long-term training package, I chose Mark as my regular trainer. In December, Mark, after some friction with the management, quit. We’d become friendly and gradually I’d shared a lot with him—personal insecurities, body image issues, struggles with addiction, etc. He shared a lot with me—we became friends. And while he is in his early 20s and put together well, I wasn’t attracted to him (somewhat to my surprise). He ended up getting a better job at a gym in another state, and we’ve kept in touch. As his time at my gym was coming to an end, we had lunch together. He vented about some of his frustrations with the management and his colleagues and explained why he was leaving. And he told me that one or more of them (I don’t know if it was a trainer or manager) speculated, back in July when I decided to work regularly with him, that it was because I was gay. He said he replied, “He doesnt want to work with me because he’s gay. He wants to work with me because when he had trouble doing a squat because of knee pain, I stopped everything and showed him how to stretch his quads and the pain went away.” Which is true. He grew up with two moms, so he’s impatient with stereotypes, and he was offended by that. I’ve been pissed since then and haven’t known how to deal with it. I’m working out regularly with Kathy and Mark’s successor, Liz. They are fine—not Mark’s level of expertise, but fine. But I’m still angry. It hasn’t seemed appropriate to talk to the manager or franchise owner to complain about something that wasn’t said to me and which it was (perhaps) unprofessional of Mark to tell me. And it feels a little humiliating/uncomfortable to say something like, “So when Mark got mad at you guys and quit, he told me that back in July someone speculated that I wanted to work out with him because I’m gay.” It’s complaining about gossip. I suppose I could find it funny. Or what the hell—is it internalized homophobia to be offended that someone might speculate an overweight middle aged gay guy (who is married to a much younger guy) night he attacted to the handsome early-twenties trainer? I need to either let this go or get it off my chest. I’d love any feedback you might have to offer.