Should an escort’s (or client’s) appointment be replaced with an available one if the time changes

[Mocha]

There's always two sides to every story. With the actual client's post, many of my questions were answered . Presented with those circumstances, I might have done the same thing. Although, it would have been more likely that I cancelled right away instead of moving it to later that evening. This situation goes beyond just moving the appointment time. I think the client lost all confidence that the appointment was actually going to happen, as the window of opportunity was quickly closing. I can't say that I blame him. I would' ve liked to know that the provider was driving 9 hours. I think it would have affected his performance and I would have never scheduled this.

 

Like I mentioned earlier, I informed him earlier in the day and gave him the option whether to keep the session or not. He said he would stay up later.

 

I did informed him I was traveling into town, however I remember an escort poster on here (not to draw them into the conversation) stated that it’s not always necessary to share every bit of logistics with a client. And exactly for those reasons stated. Clients don’t always comprehend what we’re doing behind the scenes, but once they know...I’ve found they can either be more accommodating and understanding, or will just cancel right off the bat.

 

I would not have been any more tired or “affected” than he was after a long day himself. He said he was on short sleep. I wasn’t on short sleep. I’ve never had a case where driving even long distance has made me too tired to deliver an appointment.

 

Toward the end of last year, I drove from south Illinois to Michigan (after being up all night driving from elsewhere) in flooding rain, which turned into snow. Not to mention brushing up with Chicago traffic. When I arrived for my overnight client, I fucked before dinner, after dinner and again the next morning. Then, I had another client the next day 30 miles away. The next day I had a client in Cincinnati, and the day after one in Nashville. And drove all the way back to Florida happy that everything worked out. Less than two hours being in Orlando, a client calls at 10:45. I left his place at noon the next day $,$$$

 

Unfortunately for me and tanman, the end destination time came to late, and it flaked. But that’s how road trips go. Me, Ray Dalton and other escorts have all done the same thing numerous times with success. But It’s devastating when a client isn’t able to wait for us in event shit goes south (or north, east or west depending on direction of travel).

 

Driving does not make me tired! It’s just sitting there doing nothing for hours. It’s less work than sitting on a couch for hours watching CNN. By the time I get out the car, I just want to do something! Usually sexual in nature. Plus I can watch porn on the dvd along the way.

 

Why do you think porn shops are often along desolate stretches of highway? All the horny truckers who have been driving for days on end...

Edited May 2, 2018 by Mocha

[+ poolboy48220]

I also remembered he likes spiced bourbon with OJ

I'm going to have to try this.

[Mocha]

Well I was wondering if this would wind up being aired out on Daddy's, so here goes.

 

I'm the attempted hirer here.

 

I only hire when I'm traveling and that frequently means only having time to hire once per trip, not due to monetary reasons, but time constraints. When I'm traveling I'm doing safety training all weekend and it's pretty rigidly timed out. I have very little free time. I also no longer get along on a couple of hours of sleep a night if I'll be in charge of running this training the next day.

 

As Mocha pointed out we did hookup a couple of years ago in Las Vegas. It was the first longer-than-an-hour-or-two meeting I had ever planned on. We were going to have dinner at a steakhouse then head to my room. Everything was set and a date and time was agreed upon. He was driving with a friend from somewhere in the area and started running late, and had to check-in at their hotel, then get ready, then get to me, etc. So I had dinner by myself and hooked up with him for a couple of hours later that night.

 

So we kinda kept up through PMs here discussing various subjects. I've always liked his style here on the forums and felt like he got a bad rap for bitching so much.

 

On April 8 I sent an email asking if he was going to be in his home town of Orlando later in the month (27th-30th).

On April 10 he answered "....I say put me down for this month, as I’m here now. I may go out of town in between now and then,b but I have some things going on here in Orlando that I need to stay tended to. So if I do go, it would only be for a couple weeks."

On April 11th I wrote that Friday the 27th would be the best for me for a variety of reasons. I did say in that email "I'd really like to be crashed out by midnight as I have to be on my feet doing the meet-and-greet thing all day Sat and Sun. If Friday night isn't good for you Saturday or Sunday night would work just not quite as convenient. "

On April 22nd he emailed me his rates which included one-hour, two-hour, evening, and all night sessions.

On April 23rd I reiterated my desire for an "evening" and told him I would let him know how early on Friday I'd be free.

On April 25th he emailed me: "

Hey there Kevin, just following back up with you. So give me the run down on your availability in Orlando again. You mentioned Friday night you’d be getting in, or is Friday the 1 night you’d be able to meet while you’re in town?

On April 26th Mocha texted: "just noticed you said you’d be in Orlando Friday thru Monday. So I take it Saturday will be open for you as well? I ask because I’m traveling back from up north tomorrow and on Friday...and would prefer to leave a little buffer time and meet with you Saturday or Sunday even if possible. Either way, let’s go for it"

On April 26th I answered "I can be available Saturday night. My flight on Monday is really early and I’ve gotta pack up all the training materials etc., that I’m traveling with Sunday night so that night is out."

 

At this point I did something that I thought was pretty creative and a great way to communicate my wants/needs/fantasies that I hoped the evening would provide. I did it by pre-writing a Daddy's review. I then sent it to Mocha reminding him of one of the mottos of the boards here "communication".

 

At this point I had purchased a quite nice bottle of Pinot Grigio which I remembered he liked and had identified a nearby restaurant that I knew and loved for dinner and had managed to weasel out of a dinner business meeting. I had also tired like hell to remember (and research here on the forum) what his favorite lube is. I remember a thread a long time ago about him having a bottle swiped. I thought I was being pretty thoughtful to remember the wine he likes and the lube thing. I also remembered he likes spiced bourbon with OJ. I offered to have an Uber pick him up and deliver him back in case, like me, he was planning on drinking.

 

So I spent Friday night, not having a date with Mocha but editing a bunch of videos which took me till 230a

 

April 27th Saturday just after noon I get a text "Just a little heads up on my end 7p may be too soon for me to meet . I will be traveling this afternoon."

My answer "I just really need to be crashed out by midnight....." In my mind this is starting to sound a LOT like the previous meeting we had.

I asked "so what do you think is a realistic time for tonight?"

His answer: "9:30-10p. I'm supposed to be getting into Orlando around 745p" At this point I didn't know he was driving and assumed the airlines had really fucked him over.

My Answer: "That's going to be too late. I was really hoping for the whole evening thing"

He offered a prorated all night rate. If I had been on vacation I would have jumped at the chance but an overnight does me no good. He also offered Sunday anytime but there was no way I was going to try to make that work.

At that point he joked that he had something that would keep me up (just to be clear we're not talking drugs here). He said "Florida nights end at 4a LOL"

My answer: (still thinking we're now looking at 930-10), "I'll be ready. We can still start with drinks at the lobby bar. My floor is card access only"

He wondered if there was another restaurant in the area that was open later as he would be hungry when he got there.

At 9:30p I texted him asking how he was doing on time?

He said he was hoping before midnight but was "pushing almost 1130p"

I told I can't go on for a second night of only a couple of hours of sleep.

He texted around 1140p asking if there was anyway we could get together on sunday.

 

Dude, if you'd been driving for 9 hours or whatever you said upthread here do you really think you would have been down for a several hours of time with me?

 

In the meantime having "prepped" my self for what I was hoping would be a wonderful couple of hours enjoying my favorite hobby (black dick), I had hopped on Rentmen and discovered a very hot black top that was nearby and ready. Made the call, he was there in a few minutes. It wasn't the passionate evening I had hoped for but wow did he deliver when it came to black dick. And I was indeed crashed out before 1a.

 

When I mentioned that I had hired someone else I just wasn't thinking about how much that sounded like I was bragging about it. Part of it was to be clear that I had now used funds that I had planned for our evening. I can see where I come off sounding like a dick by saying anything about it.

 

So that's my side of all this. Unfortunately this is now two times that I've really tried to put together an awesome evening and it just didn't work out. I think I'll stick to one hour and done from now on.

 

I can appreciate your explanation of the matter. All I can say is I regret that it happened that way. It does not happen all the time, I normally have a great track record of getting to appointments even long distance without an issue.

 

As per the Las Vegas issue, that was also planned perfectly but got a bit jumbled up. I honestly would have made it on time had I not had a friend with me and had to go through the hotel check in process first (which was my first time in a Las Vegas strip hotel, and learned one can easily lose an hour between parking, check in, and getting to the room). However, last year for Christmas I got to Las Vegas a day early from Phoenix and stayed at the Rio. I had a client scheduled the next day, and wanted to avoid missing it. He cancelled because he never came to town. However, a few years ago I made it to Las Vegas by 4 pm for a two day session with a client.

 

So sometimes, arriving early doesn’t always make a difference either.

 

Some things just don’t work out for some reason with some people. I don’t know if it’s fate or luck or a combination of tight schedules that throws it off. However I do know, unless there’s a specific client I’ve met REGULARLY who is pre-booked...Las Vegas and Florida are the two places where I find something ALWAYS goes wrong with atleast 1 client booked. Then, it’s hard as hell to find another client to make up for it. And that’s exactly what’s been happening. I’ve answered one text and email after the next, and still haven’t had a client since I got back to Florida Saturday night.

 

That’s why I suggested a cancellation fee, simply because even though I didn’t meet the time, I had intent of making it to the appointment and being paid for it. And honestly I would have not come back to Florida so soon, as now I’m without any appointments and has put me in an inconvenient predicament. People may not feel you’re responsible for that, but fact is...there was an expectation. I may not have lived up to the full scale of those expectations, but that doesn’t mean I should get nothing just because you decided to hire someone else.

 

All I can say is, this will certainly make me reconsider doing any out of state travel on the day of an appointment, no matter how many successes I’ve had before (though it’s really variable how early the client wants to meet). I used to live in Denver...and with every major city 500+ miles away, many times I had no choice but to leave on the day of the 1st appointment in a particular city. Whether it was flying or driving. Las Vegas was furthest, but I had someone taking turns driving with me.

 

Unless it’s within the state like 3-4 hours like my client in Key Largo is, I’m just not going to take the risk. Of course that’s going to require getting a hotel the day before, which would make it more necessary to get a deposit.

[Mocha]

@tanman4u I still think you were justified in moving on. If the roles were reveresed, I'll bet @Mocha would have taken a different client after a few hours of delays.

 

Just yesterday you were saying something uplifting, now today you’re making assumptions? And is that fact or fiction though? You shouldn’t make a claim unless you actually know what I HAVE done in such cases.

 

Example: a client delayed a session by over 24 hours (it was at his place, 70 miles from where I was based). He contacted me Friday, it was supposed to been for Saturday night. After a couple of time changes on his end, we ultimately settled at 11 pm on a Sunday night, which was perfect for him because he had family buzzing around earlier.

[MiamiLooker]

That’s why I suggested a cancellation fee, simply because even though I didn’t meet the time, I had intent of making it to the appointment and being paid for it.

[Mocha]

 

What about the time and resources spent along with that good intention? Is that not good enough?

 

I remember last year, a guy gave me my full rate when I pulled up to my hotel. I was there at 4:15 pm from an 7 hour drive from Denver. That STILL wasn’t early enough, for him. He was rushing because he had to hurry and go back to Santa Fe. He was courteous enough to leave a cancellation fee. That was in Albuquerque. People in Florida rarely do that, because they see so many dicks winking at them, the prices and value of courteousy tends to go out the window.

 

So I still feel something should have been done, even if @tanman4u did decide to go on another dick hunt. I’ve had other clients give me cash in the hotel lobby for whatever other reasons on their end also. It’s just the right thing to do. As long as it wasn’t anything blatantly scammy, that is.

 

That’s why I don’t stay in Florida too long. It’s always a mixup that gets in the way of an important potential appointment here. One guy in Miami booked me last time I was here. I did all the preparations the day before our session. Then the day of, he goes completely MIA (pun intended huh). He did send me cancel fee though because that was supposed to have been an overnight.

[Golem]

What about the time and resources spent along with that good intention? Is that not good enough?

The issue here is that you both put time and resources into the potential meeting (along with good intentions).

 

The original meeting time didn't work out. In this case it wasn't anyone's fault. But the fact is that the plan you both agreed on was not able to take place.

 

When this was first apparent, you were able to agree on a backup plan instead. (The client wasn't thrilled, but he agreed nonetheless.) Cool!

 

But that backup plan also didn't work out. You then suggested a third plan (the "pushing 11:30" plan) which the client did not agree to. This isn't a small adjustment to an agreed-upon plan, this is a schedule difference of 2 hours from the second plan (more than 4 from the first plan!).

 

The first plan (and the second plan) didn't work out. Not anyone's fault. But that does not force either one of you to agree to a third plan. And it doesn't entitle you to what you expected to get out of the expired agreement. Exact parallel: if the client lost all his money, he would not be entitled to what he expected to get out of the original agreement, despite his inability to fulfill his end of it. He could make you a different offer instead, but you wouldn't be obligated to accept it -- and no one would expect you to give him a "cancellation service" due to the original agreement going away.

 

(Edit: This would be a different situation if either one of you were at fault for the plan not working out, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. The client clearly was 0% at fault for it, anyway.)

[Mocha]

The issue here is that you both put time and resources into the potential meeting (along with good intentions).

 

The original meeting time didn't work out. In this case it wasn't anyone's fault. But the fact is that the plan you both agreed on was not able to take place.

 

When this was first apparent, you were able to agree on a backup plan instead. (The client wasn't thrilled, but he agreed nonetheless.) Cool!

 

But that backup plan also didn't work out. You then suggested a third plan (the "pushing 11:30" plan) which the client did not agree to. This isn't a small adjustment to an agreed-upon plan, this is a schedule difference of 2 hours from the second plan (more than 4 from the first plan!).

 

The first plan (and the second plan) didn't work out. Not anyone's fault. But that does not force either one of you to agree to a third plan. And it doesn't entitle you to what you expected to get out of the expired agreement. Exact parallel: if the client lost all his money, he would not be entitled to what he expected to get out of the original agreement, despite his inability to fulfill his end of it. He could make you a different offer instead, but you wouldn't be obligated to accept it -- and no one would expect you to give him a "cancellation service" due to the original agreement going away.

 

(Edit: This would be a different situation if either one of you were at fault for the plan not working out, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. The client clearly was 0% at fault for it, anyway.)

 

I perfectly agree. Thanks for your assessment.

 

Like I said, going forward I will definitely be doing things differently for now on. I have an appointment with another forum member in two weeks. I’ve already informed him I will be arriving ahead of the planned session.

 

I’m also going to just stop trying to accommodate everyone and fit their schedule, because when it doesn’t happen as expected, things can get ugly. I’m just 1 person trying to feed the multitudes.

 

I’ve also met many a client after 11 pm, and more than a few have turned into overnights. Not saying the client should have done that, but when you get used to being called to take late-night calls over the course of 10 years, you’re not always wide awake and buzzing at ass crack of dawn. Thus, my schedule may be different from others. What’s late to one maybe prime time for another.

 

Lesson learnt. Hopefully this worm of a SHITuation will turn into a beautiful butterfly by the end of the month.

 

[mickeym]

If I’m understanding the timeline correctly, Mocha asked for a Saturday appointment since he would be traveling on Thursday and Friday. The client originally wanted a Friday appointment but agreed to Saturday since it was more convenient for Mocha.

 

Based on the description from the client, it sounds like Mocha asked for Saturday so he wouldn’t be rushed to get back at a certain time on Friday. To me, it sounds like Mocha would be back in town on Friday night.

 

If Mocha had no intentions of returning to Orlando Friday night, he should have made that clearer to the client. If I was in the client’s position and found out Mocha would be traveling on Saturday, instead of Friday, I would have been a little pissed since I already chose a less convenient day and time to accommodate Mocha’s travel plans and he didn’t stick to those plans and is asking me once again to pick an even more inconvenient time.

 

I gotta give the client credit for being patient but I probably would have cut my losses there and cancelled. I can only assume Mocha delayed his return by a day to fit in another appointment. Hopefully the extra appointment was worth losing one that was already scheduled or worse possibly losing a repeat client.

[MikeBiDude]

I've always liked his style here on the forums and felt like he got a bad rap for bitching so much.

And look what happened!

[Mocha]

And look what happened!

 

Well maybe one day you'll understand when things that are planned, don't always go accordingly. It’s called life. Nobodies perfect.

 

Based on the description from the client, it sounds like Mocha asked for Saturday so he wouldn’t be rushed to get back at a certain time on Friday. To me, it sounds like Mocha would be back in town on Friday night.

 

If Mocha had no intentions of returning to Orlando Friday night, he should have made that clearer to the client. If I was in the client’s position and found out Mocha would be traveling on Saturday, instead of Friday, I would have been a little pissed since I already chose a less convenient day and time to accommodate Mocha’s travel plans and he didn’t stick to those plans and is asking me once again to pick an even more inconvenient time.

 

I gotta give the client credit for being patient but I probably would have cut my losses there and cancelled. I can only assume Mocha delayed his return by a day to fit in another appointment. Hopefully the extra appointment was worth losing one that was already scheduled or worse possibly losing a repeat client.

 

You're making very bold assumptions, that does no justice to the topic at hand.

 

I would not have arrived in Orlando Friday night. That would not have been possible, because I was not expecting to leave Nashville (due to non-client related business) until atleast 5 pm Friday night. I probably would have gotten as far as Atlanta or mid-way through, and then spent the night. That would have given me significant head start. I also did not delay my return by a day to fit in another appointment.

 

I would like to say, this whole schedule decline started WAY before the day of the appointment actually. I left Florida April 13th, because I was expecting an overnight in Chicago on the 21st. In preparation for that, I had traveled to Milwaukee from Florida starting Friday the 13th of April. That’s 14 days from my appointment on the 27th/28th with TM. I have friends/clients in Milwaukee and was able to "camp out" there until my overnight appointment.

 

I arrived in Milwaukee 5 days PRIOR to the planned overnight in Chicago. That overnight would have been 7 days PRIOR to tanmans appointment. Which was plenty of time for me to travel back to Florida (for the appointment, and to tend to some things at the house). That overnight got cancelled, but because the client was sick, not these same reasons. I also had an incident of a property theft while at a bar in Milwaukee (very annoying considering my car was broken into just last year in Phoenix), and had to file some papers prior to leaving. That took an extra couple days out of my departure. At that point, I knew I had to stay perfectly on track of the schedule because I’d lost time thanks to that bullshit.

 

Despite that, I still managed to leave for Florida from Milwaukee Wednesday night, got to Nashville by 4 pm Thursday, and had anticipated getting back to Florida SATURDAY afternoon a few hours before tanmans appointment at 7 pm. Unfortunately, after all the math was calculated, I ended up being off the appointment time by a mere 4 hours. That's a big difference for the session, but a small difference in the scheme of things.

 

Regardless, I still regret doing it and should have just agreed to not take the appointment earlier in the day, had I known it would have turned so late.

 

Now, the reason WHY I didn't just stay in Florida and wait for tanmans appointment, is the same reasons experienced here now: I had no appointments scheduled, and the appointments I did have would flake. I've not had an appointment since I returned to Florida, and that’s with no cancellation fee, despite the concessions to be here Saturday night.

 

So, not only am I out of the money and review, I can't find a replacement client to fill in for the loss. I did what I was expected to do....but it just didn't go thru EXACTLY as planned.

 

This has certainly been the most disappointing week of the year. Even during some low points in Phoenix I had earlier this year, the clients that did fall thru, agreed on a cancellation fee, so I could atleast meet my goals and continue the show. So I wasn’t completely high and dry. But like I said, I'll be doing things differently going forward.