SORRY TO SAY!!!

[DelawareGuy]

My first question would be, how does the death of HooBoy contribute to the "dullness" of the postings?

 

Second, we don't pay a red cent for this site. Which means Daddy does this all on his own. Give the guy a break and let him have some time off.

[Fit In LA]

Excellent reply DelawareGuy. THis is a great site. You can come enjoy and participate in it, or you can go elsewhere. Everyone has the power of the computer mouse.

[Epigonos]

DelewareGuy:

 

In answer to your first question many of the guys who added fire and heat (not necessarily light) to posting on this site are gone for whatever reason

 

In answer to your second question: I would never for an instant dispute with you the facts that this site 1.) is free and 2.) Daddy and his moderators have a right to run it anyway they see fit.

 

I do, however, SINCERELY believe that since the death of Hooboy the changes made here have made this site less interesting, less fun, less entertaining, and most important of all less informative.

[Epigonos]

Fit In LA

 

During the Vietnam era I always found the right wing motto "America Love It or Leave It" the epitomie of Un-American. In this country we have a tradition of voicing our differences and then working with in the system to bring about change. Yes this is a great site, but that doesn't mean it is above criticism or that someone who doesn't agree with "all" current policies should use the mouse to go elsewhere.

[+ newatthis]

For a while after HooBoy's death, the MC suspension, the departure of a few posters whose writings I enjoyed and valued, and the period when shrill flame wars seemed to be 90% of what was on offer, I felt the way you did.

 

But the flaming has died down to (or below!) the level before HB's death and some interesting new posters have replaced those who left.

 

I've also realized that some of my ennui comes from familiarity -- after reading the MC for several years, questions, answers, and discussions recur with some regularity, and items and points of view that were new, fresh, and exciting to me back when I was more "newatthis" than I am now, are no longer so new, fresh, and exciting.

 

So while the place isn't what it used to be for me, I still check in most days. Logging in, using the "Read New" function, and marking allow me to sift through and find things of value to me very quickly.

 

A few weekend or vacation days when there are no new reviews have no impact on my hiring.

 

Finally, I have met some wonderful people through contacts made here on the MC -- that alone would keep me coming back.

[Boston Guy]

>I do, however, SINCERELY believe that since the death of

>Hooboy the changes made here have made this site less

>interesting, less fun, less entertaining, and most important

>of all less informative.

 

E:

 

Since the beginning of this site, there has been a tension between those who wanted "fire and heat" and those who wanted discourse and information. The pendulum has swung back and forth between these extremes from time to time, with some periods notable for the high level of tension (and what some would call venom) and others much quieter. Those of us who have been around for a while can remember times when HB threatened to shut down the MC and even did for a bit (remember TruthTeller?).

 

It would be nice to think that a site serving a community as diverse as this one could support it all: heated discussions full of the fire and brimstone that appeals to many as well as the kind of valuable information that is responsible for many coming here in the first place. When viewed in the long run, I think M4M has actually done a pretty good job of serving both audiences. There has often been no lack of argument and heated discussion but the archives here quickly demonstrate the vast amount of information available to all takers. It just seems hard to have it all, all of the time.

 

When the informational threads are in ascendence, the site feels boring to those who come here looking for a cat fight. When the heat is high, others leave in disgust. I don't know how to have it all at the same time. One of the problems has always seemed to me to be the inability of some posters to refrain from carrying dislikes and grudges from thread to thread. Instead of being able to have a heated discussion in one thread and then a "civilized discourse" in another thread, on another topic, with the very same posters, they seem to need or want to make their points wherever and whenever possible. That gets in the way of the "information" kinds of threads progressing very far in the direction that the thread authors had hoped.

 

All of these things are common to many web sites. Another problem that is common to many sites also shows up here: when a new poster asks a question that has been asked and answered many times, the response posted here is often less than welcoming. It seems as if many people forget that they, too, came here with questions they wanted answered. If someone's question bores them, they're pretty quick to respond in an inhospitable manner.

 

You, yourself, posted above that you thought the site was "less interesting, less fun, less entertaining, and most important of all less informative." In that one sentence, you point out the dichotomy. You want the site to be, most of all, informative. But you also want it to be interesting, fun and entertaining. I don't know how to suggest that Daddy or anyone should try to achieve that, other than trying to maintain the site as a place where many feel welcome. There is no way for M4M or any other site to be truly informative without a reasonably large community behind it.

 

As you have noted, many former posters have left. Some of that was just natural attrition. Some have left because of what they felt were problems associated with the management of the site during the transition period. But many left because M4M became a very unpleasant place to visit.

 

I've stuck around here for years, since the very beginning. But there have been several months-long periods when I didn't come here at all. In each instance, I decided that the time I was spending at M4M would be better spent on other things: family, business, fun, travel, other interests. M4M is important to me but a very tiny part of my life. Getting away from it from time to time is a good way for me to keep things in perspective, even though I continue to see escorts.

 

Last summer, I felt that visiting here had gotten to be less fun, less interesting and, at times, purely aggravating. So it was time to depart for a while. I would stop by to catch up on postings on a very occasional basis but had no interest in posting. I suspect there are many others in the same boat.

 

It's interesting now, picking up some of the threads again. M4M is back in perspective for me. If you are feeling frustrated, perhaps a similar break would be helpful?

 

Finally, I think you hit on one important note above: most of us don't like change very much. Each person who comes here sees M4M in a particular light, with unique hopes and desires for the site. Change threatens that and can be uncomfortable or annoying.

 

But the fact is that M4M is still running, despite HB's death. A few years ago, I don't think I would have predicted that. We all owe HB a debt of gratitude for starting M4M and for the work he put into it. If he made a profit from it, well, bully for him. But it's probably time to really put HB to rest and recognize that M4M is changing and probably will continue to change. Who knows what 2006 will bring? If you or others have suggestions for ways to improve M4M, I suspect an email to Daddy would be well-received.

 

At one point, he posted that he felt constrained in what he could change because of matters dealing with HB's estate. I have no idea if that is still true or not. But good ideas have ways of trickling down and sometimes coming to fruition.

 

Best regards to you and happy new year,

BG

[Epigonos]

Boston Guy

 

Excellent post and I agree with most of your points. However, when I mentioned less information I was, in part, refering to the fact that currently we have NO weekend review posts and a c-o-n-t-i-n-u-i-n-g holiday haitus without reviews.

[jackhammer91406]

To each his own

 

I believe I have met you at a Hooville meeting at Numbers on a couple of occasions. If not, then my memory is going faster than I would like.

 

I think Boston Guy said it best when he pointed out that each person brings his own perspective to this place. I might add to that, each person takes what they bring to the place. I mean to say, that if you find the posts boring, then add something to the discussion, start a post that reflects your interests, much as you have done with this post. Then see where the discussion goes.

 

I for one do not miss AT ALL the shrill flame wars started by now banned or departed posters with agendas that seemed intent on tearing the place apart. But the great thing about cyberspace is there's something for everyone. The guys who were most vocal in their flame wars went off and started their own place. Isn't that great? Now they can rail and whine and rant and eat their young to their heart's content.

 

I am thankful for the peace around here. Sure a little leaven is good now and then, but not a steady diet. The Pendulum swings as BG said and right now, it's swinging to a more civil tone. There are still one or two guys here (Woodlawn comes to mind) who will probably join in this thread and bring back memories of the old days you refer to, so stand by, they'll be here shortly.

 

Anyway, glad to have met the many great guys through this site including you. You are pretty hot if I remember correctly.

[+ deej]

>when I mentioned less information I was, in part, refering to

>the fact that currently we have NO weekend review posts and a

>c-o-n-t-i-n-u-i-n-g holiday haitus without reviews.

 

The same information gets posted. (Did you think it got thrown away?)

 

You may not get your daily fix, but whatever shows up in the queue for any day's post gets posted. It's a lot like an egg timer. When preparing a day's posts, whatever goes "DING!" goes up.

 

Will your life really be materially improved because a review got posted on Saturday instead of the following Monday?

 

I don't know about you, but today is a holiday for me (although I'm on call), as was the day after Christmas, and several days surrounding the holiday weekends. I rather enjoy my holidays, even when I'm on call. Why shouldn't Daddy have holidays? Or weekends? He's entitled to a life, too.

[woodlawn]

I agree that with the departure, temporary or otherwise, of some of the more interesting and erudite posters from the MC, this site has become less than what it used to be.

 

The usual people who complain endlessly about what they view as antisocial behavior on the part of some posters -- behavior that is no different from their own behavior on numerous occasions -- rejoice that some of the more interesting participants are no longer here. Their implication that there was a time when flame wars were so prevalent on the MC that it was impossible to avoid them is, of course, pure fantasy. The threads containing flame contests were never more than a small minority of the total threads available for reading at any one time, and no one was ever compelled to read any of them. People read them because they wanted to. No one who wanted to avoid flame threads or create threads on topics of more interest to themselves was ever prevented from doing so. But still they complain.

 

During the years I have visited the MC, and that includes the year just ended, the vast majority of threads in the Lounge and elsewhere have always consisted of what some call "information" and what I call "nonsense" -- threads like "Tell Us About Your Pets" or "Escort X Is Such a Hottie!" Some of the visitors here clearly want to devote their attention to no topics more serious than the merits of some escort's dick, and there always have been and always will be plenty of threads for them. Whether there will continue to be threads of interest to anyone else is another question.

[Epigonos]

I am truly sorry to say the following but as far as I’m concerned the majority of the changes made on the site since the death of HooBoy have been unfortunate. First, the topics on the Message Boards have become, more often than not, uninteresting, dull and trite. I find it, more and more, difficult to find threads with sufficient interest to warrant my taking the time to post. Even though, at times, in the past, I found the posting of some individuals rude and ill-mannered at least they elicited some interesting and heated discussions (diatribes if you wish). Of late the Message Board has become dull, Dull, DULL.

Second, the review section certainly isn’t what it once was. I sympathize with Daddy’s need to get some free time, however, with his taking more and more time off this section has becomes less and less relevant to my needs. I see fewer and fewer of the reviewers whose opinions I valued posting reviews. There are no longer weekend postings and who knows when this holiday hiatus will end.

Maybe it is just that I’m old and don’t like changes but I really don’t like the changes I’m seeing on a site that I have valued and enjoyed.

[+ deej]

http://www.dfapam.com/troll.jpg

[Epigonos]

deej

 

As I look back over the various posts on this thread I really do NOT see that anyone thus far has posted in a manner that is flaming, screeching, or insulting. Just exactly who is the troll that you don't want fed?

[+ deej]

Just a general reminder.

[Guest DVS]

Deej:

 

Great Post on the Troll! :+

 

I have been a member on this site for quite some time. I choose to remain silent often, but Daddy is doing a FANTASTIC JOB!

 

The site is free to everyone. My advice to the critics would be to remember that money talks so crack open that wallet as you give Daddy a piece of mind you should match it with the dough to boot.

 

Many things cruel have been said here to win press, how about we get back to the hiring and posting, and contributing to a valuable service to all of us! :-)

 

Have fun guys, leave the war to our president. Thanks Daddy for putting up with us...

 

DVS

[Txpaytoplay]

I also agree that I think Daddy has done a good job since Hoo's passing. Some people just need to get over the "what about me?" syndrome and get over themselves. Just my two cents worth. :)

[augustman]

I have not really noticed a lot of change to be honest. Sure the weekend reviews were nice but if it keeps the site free and the sanity of the staff so be it. Escorts are still posting travel but I wish more would. Escorts are still contributing which is still a positive. Again I wish more would but my conversations with some is that they are relunctant, afraid of a writing down the wrong thing having the wrong perception made. With that said I would say this site is very relevant to the escorts good will. Most established guys do not want a bad review.

 

The one thing I stongly agree with Boston Guy, that was the same before and after HB's departure, a guys who take their disagreement with another poster or escort from thread to thread. I mean we all know if Mr. Adler posts something a comment from V will surely follow. It would be great if they were consistently sharp or witty or some humor, but they are not.

 

But rather then concentrate on what is wrong any credible thoughts to improve navigation, like for direct links at the top could we have one that takes us right to US escorts and a second for everywhere else. Or is there a way to skip that message at the front of the message center. For reviews, a simpler way to post a review for an escort team or two different escorts who paired up.

 

How about for reviews, if the escort already has their info listed anyway to just link to their review site and just write the review, and skip all the stuff about how big their dick is and so forth if you do not disagree with anything they have listed.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Boston Guy

>

>Excellent post and I agree with most of your points. However,

>when I mentioned less information I was, in part, refering to

>the fact that currently we have NO weekend review posts and a

>c-o-n-t-i-n-u-i-n-g holiday haitus without reviews.

 

I really don't see how this could possibly matter to anyone. If you are looking for reviews to give you info about possible hires, there are thousands of reviews that you can call upon.

 

If you are looking for new reviews to offer you titilation, well too bad. Wait a few days - it'll give a chance for the callus to heal on your hand.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Have fun guys, leave the war to our president. Thanks Daddy

>for putting up with us...

>

>DVS

 

Now if THIS gets moved to the politics/war/religion section, I'll really think there are crazies at the helm of our ship!

[+ deej]

>But rather then concentrate on what is wrong any credible

>thoughts to improve navigation, like for direct links at the

>top could we have one that takes us right to US escorts and a

 

US reviews: http://www.male4malescorts.com/dx/usaFrame.htm

All reviews: http://www.male4malescorts.com/dx/worldFrame.htm

Newest reviews: http://www.male4malescorts.com/newest_frame.html

 

>second for everywhere else. Or is there a way to skip that

>message at the front of the message center.

 

Message center: http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php

 

Right-click each link and choose "open in new window", then bookmark them (or add them to your links toolbar).

 

All of the URL's are subject to change.

[KY_TOP]

You will find that many people will agree with at least part of what you say, whether they express it here is another matter. This includes a few escorts I have seen lately regarding the review comments.

 

As for the message center, it has never really returned to it's pre-meltdown level. I think that is because many of the most reasonable posters that posted items of interest, like their travel adventures or the their lastest Escort find, never returned or only occasionally stick their head in the door.

 

As for the reviews, we can argue about vacations and weekends off, but Hooboy kept things going on weekends and thru the Holidays and I also miss the weekend reviews. During the week I am up and off to work without much time to spend with the daily reviews in detail. On weekends I always had more time and enjoyed my lazy weekend mornings scanning them over. I am also sad that Daddy has chosen not to continue this practice. I would think that has reduced the hits the site gets.

 

I don't see were discussing the changes in this site since the changing of the guard is "stirring shit". What's wrong with expressing in a reasonable manner what anyone likes, dislikes, or prefers about changes that have been made. The one major change I don't like is the inability to click on the previous reviews by a reviewer that is listed at the end of a review. Daddy said when he stopped doing this he would look at returning this function later, but has yet to do so.

 

As for this site being free...Yeah but the hits it gets is what helps to make it a marketable commodity and that commodity is given FREE to the site in the form of reviews. Let no one submit any reviews and see where this site goes. Also, there are several people, like myself, that donated money to HB on a regular basis when contributions were being accepted. As for me this was done quarterly.

 

I remember HB also got a few comments about how he ran the site. Hopefully Daddy will invite suggestions about what his visitors like or dislike for an increase in its # of hits, surely increases it's value.

[Epigonos]

Thank you KY TOP. As always you are the voice of reason.

[Guest ReturnOfS]

My advice...... take up a hobby

[Cooper]

RE: Sorry you feel that way...

 

"As for the message center, it has never really returned to

it's pre-meltdown level. I think that is because many of the

most reasonable posters that posted items of interest, like

their travel adventures or the their lastest Escort find,

never returned or only occasionally stick their head in the door."

 

WOW! Now that's a shot below the belt to all the fine and "reasonable" members who have continuously posted here throughout the good and bad times. IMO, the "reasonalble posters" are staying the course and not jumping ship. I still find many messages of interest, and that includes travel adventures and new escort finds. I don't know what prompted you to post this condescending remark but I don't share your view.

[BigK]

>http://www.dfapam.com/troll.jpg

 

The chief Troll Deej speaks. Deej's often snide and condescending comments, which I'm sure he thinks are clever, do often "stir the shit"

 

Best to ignore as I usually do.

 

Deej aka Mr. Meltdown