"DADDY" : C ontrol Freak & Jerk

[+ Lucky]

RE: Dismissed

 

"You obviously have no sense of humor or grasp for cynicism"

 

Shit. I am so busted. x(

[kjun]

RE: "DADDY" : C ontrol Freak & Jerk

 

I have been called upon to apologize for my comments in opening this thread. I now do so. The comment about how control of this site was achieved was, and is, inappropriate as well as rude.

 

I am pleased that my comments caused more explanation about how the person who calls himself Daddy came to control this site than we were told before. Many assertions have been made on this site and the other one concerning this issue. Some feel that this is not the business of the average member of this site but I disagree. Since I have been a member, and for some time before that, the site has had many open and sometime incessant and boring discussions on many topics. But, this has become the nature of the place. We feel free to discuss many topics and we should not have to fear how management will react to what we want to write about. Additionally, many of us have made money contributions to assist in the operation. For these reasons I feel that we have a right to know at least some of the facts surrounding how daddy came to control the operation. Before this, few of us were told anything about this.

 

Finally, I was wrong for being so harsh. I hate censorship but I should have not said what I did and I publicly apologize.

 

the Cajun

[TotallyOz]

I know that I should not get involved but this post made me want to respond.

 

First, I will say that Daddy has done a good job of getting reviews up on time and in being consistent about them. It is a great deal of work and he is to be commended.

 

This site is a great money making venture. Hooboy was able to travel the world over thanks to the revenue this site created for him. I know this because I traveled to many locations with him. To say that it was a labor of love for him is true but to say that he dug deep into his own pockets is not correct. He made money from the site and it was very successful for him. Now, unless things have been totally screwed up, it should be a success for Hooboy’s estate.

 

I do not know what the deal Daddy has with the Estate to run the site, but I know that when work for an estate is done, that people are compensated. I hope that Daddy is not digging into his own pockets to keep the site afloat. If that is the case, I wonder why the estate would allow this to happen. Perhaps there is pending litigation or threats of litigation that have made the parties contentious? Perhaps the estate is broke and the revenue has gone from what it was in March when Hooboy died to nothing? (This scenario is highly unlikely as I know the amount the site was generating in March) Or perhaps, Daddy has refused payment from the estate? I don’t know the answers to these questions but I don’t think it is hard to figure out that no one would spend 16 hours a day for 9 months on something they expect no return on.

 

This site always was a profit maker for Hooboy. I do know that those around him that are now running the site perhaps did not know the amount of money the site made for him until after his death, but that was no one’s business but Hooboys. Perhaps those that Hoo had working for free were upset to know that he made a very comfortable living from the site and were not happy they were not compensated?

 

The estate was offered a 6 figure amount for the domain name after Hoo’s death. They turned that down as they knew the site had MUCH more value. The direction they have taken since that time is known only to them and to Daddy. But, this site is a money making site. It was for a long time before Hooboy’s death and will be for a long time after if it is run properly.

 

If Daddy has truly been working without compensation for 8 or 9 months since Hooboy’s death without the thought of compensation from the estate when the matters settle or without a threat of litigation with the estate, then he is truly to be commended. However, it seems to me that all the reviews that have been done in the last 8 months bear Daddy’s copyright mark. His work product from the work he has done is payment enough IMHO. I am sure that he will be able to use this regardless of the outcome of the estate matters to turn a profit for himself.

 

In any case, I wish him the best in this or any future projects he works on!

[+ deej]

>The estate was offered a 6 figure amount for the domain name after Hoo’s death.

 

Yes, the graveside offer was a real class act.

[FourAces]

RE: "DADDY" : C ontrol Freak & Jerk

 

Oz first it is nice to see a post from you again, I miss your Thai adventures. But more importantly it's nice to see a post from you that cannot be questioned as to validity. It confrims much of what many had been saying long before and since HooBoy passed away.

[FourAces]

RE: "DADDY" : C ontrol Freak & Jerk

 

>>The estate was offered a 6 figure amount for the domain name

>after Hoo’s death.

>

>Yes, the graveside offer was a real class act.

 

6 figures turned down graveside or not is a lot of money to say no to or not come back and accept if one is under too much grief to think clearly. Your thinly disguised attempt to discredit Oz is just that a weak attempt.

[jackhammer91406]

Nice to see a post from you again.

 

 

Having said that, I know nothing first hand about the nature of any agreements. From what I have heard from those who do, early on after Hooboy's death; many, many advertisers (the main source of income) stopped paying their bills. All at once, there was little or no income. The estate is said to have made the decision NOT to make ANY decision on this until after the estate was settled.

 

It seems entirely possible to me that the site has run a deficit for some time pending final settlement. Of course, again I claim no knowledge first hand, but it seems people are predisposed to believe what they want (including me) and that what they "believe" sometimes may have NO relationship to actual truth.

 

At some point, a fair person has to take people at their word and stop "projecting" and just let things sort out how they will. I think most people are people of good will. Let it be.

 

If I have stepped out of bounds in repeating this, those offended, please accept my apologies.

[RockHard]

Dear Daddy...

 

"I think most people are people of good will." (by jackhammer)

 

Not judging by this place, of course.

 

It seems to me Daddy might share the same business advisors as Benjamin Nicholas. None of this "too much information" display leaves me feeling comfortable.

 

Business is rarely an altruistic enterprise. Even social workers are capable of earning a decent income.

 

"I'm tired of each month slipping another thousand dollars or so into the kitty to keep the site running; working 16+ hours a day so that I have barely enough income to keep the site running."

 

Excuse me for doubting what appears to me to be a bit of an exaggeration, what on earth could cost a thousand+ dollars a month to run this place? Are we really talking about 500,000 hits a month here? Am I the only one who knows what bandwidth packages and admin expenses actually cost?

 

"I'm tired of people that will Lie, Steal, and Cheat just so they can take advantage of Hooboys family; confusing the matters to the point where it's nearly impossible to get a simple operating agreement in place."

 

Are we talking about the music industry here or a private hobby website? No agreement, no work! That MO always works for me. I can do without any additional melodrama.

 

"I'm tired of having to explain to people that No I can't accept donations; No I can't accept new advertising; No I can't make the simplest of changes with out conferring with a committee of people that doesn't have the slight idea of how the site operates."

 

If you don't possess the power and control to run this as your own business, then get out. Life is for the living and businesses need to be run by people who are alive and know what they're doing. Otherwise they will languish and fail. The end.

 

"I'm tired of dealing with people that can't maintain a semblance of civility for even a day; People that cause me to refuse to spend more than a few hours away from my office because of what they may do or say."

 

Pardon me, Daddy, but you don't seem cut out for the service industry, especially on the thin-skin days.

 

"So instead of spending this day with friends or family, I'm spending the day working on another project that will bring in enough cash to keep the site running through the end of the year."

 

You're crazy. Sounds like you need a lot more help than Ben. Why on earth would you sacrifice your precious time and energy and devote yourself to the clowns who come here? Yes, some of the men who post here and rent men are decent chaps. We know who they are. But this MC seems to attract the worst of mankind, the ugliest of gaydom, the kind of guy that begs to be shit on and then "gets off" in the process. Your martyring your life for these folk? Goodness, Daddy, please get some help, quick.

 

"You bet I'm being a jerk today! It's because only a handful of people are causing this mess and frankly I'm getting tired of them. I have a broom in my hand, and I’m willing to start sweeping people out the door."

 

Grow up and take action and no more jerk time. Life is short. And don't ever air dirty laundry in public. You just shot yourself with your enemy's bullets. It will take more than a broom and Good Housekeeping to clean this mess.

 

"It never was about money. Both of us were perfectly willing to just break even"

 

First mistake and it's a serious one in business. Unless you're filthy rich and can afford to sink personal funds into any creative enterprise, a business requires a plan. No plan, no long-term success. You get what you ask for.

 

"So why did Hooboy and now myself do it? Because we both thought it was important to both the Escorts and their clients.

 

Every time I get a note that says: “Daddy, I was able to finish my schooling and I now have a good job. I need to retire.”, I celebrate.

 

Every time some “Mature” gentleman mentions that they were able to put “That Spark” back into their life, I’m pleased.

 

That’s why I’m here, and that is why Hooboy was here. As long as there is enough that I can sleep indoors, eat three meals a day, and every once in a blue moon have a chance to go out and smell the roses, I’ll be content."

 

I'm speechless and I've heard enough. All my questions have been answered. Daddy, I wish you good luck and mean you no ill will and no disrespect. But, please, get some help. I have a feeling you deserve a better life than this.

[woodlawn]

RE: "DADDY"

 

>I personally do not think there is something wrong with

>prostitution; I never said that I did.

 

But you did say that I am denigrating this board by linking it with prostitution. If you have no problem with prostitution, that doesn't make much sense.

 

 

 

>However, I do find something wrong with your false statement

>above wherein you alleged that I "explicitly told" you that I

>hired prostitutes in the past. I have NEVER communicated with

>you at any time either on or off this site and I do not know

>you. Furthermore, I never posted anything on this site even

>remotely resembling what you claim I "explicitly told" you.

 

If you prefer not to acknowledge the communication to which I adverted, that's up to you. But like your previous statement, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

 

>As I said in my initial post concerning you, I was impressed

>with your written responses and with the logic shown in your

>prior posts. Now that I have encountered, first-hand, your

>arrogance and fabricated accusations, I now realize that I was

>wrong in my favorable assessment of you.

 

Oh dear! Some anonymous poster I don't know no longer has a good opinion of me. How will I ever survive?

[imrthr]

RE: Daddy

 

>

>

>

> "However, I do find something wrong with your false statement

> above wherein you alleged that I "explicitly told" you that

> I hired prostitutes in the past. I have NEVER communicated

> with you at any time either on or off this site and I do not know

> you. Furthermore, I never posted anything on this site even

> remotely resembling what you claim I "explicitly told" you."

>_________________________________________________________

>>

>"If you prefer not to acknowledge the communication to which I

>adverted, that's up to you."

>_________________________________________________________

 

If I prefer "not to acknowledge the communication to which" you "adverted,” it is because no such communication ever occurred. You either mistook me for a different poster or you fabricated the statement like I've learned you are often prone to do.

 

Furthermore, in your response you obviously (purposely) ignored my suggestion for you to use the "search" function of this site which will confirm that I never made any such posting or communication to you or to this site.

____________________________________________________________

 

>>"As I said in my initial post concerning you, I was impressed

>>with your written responses and with the logic shown in your

>>prior posts. Now that I have encountered, first-hand, your

>>arrogance and fabricated accusations, I now realize that I

>was wrong in my favorable assessment of you."

>

>"Oh dear! Some anonymous poster I don't know no longer has a

>good opinion of me. How will I ever survive?"

__________________________________________________

 

Do not worry, you will survive despite your proclivity to make incorrect and inconsistent statements about various posters. That fact notwithstanding, you are often witty and analytical and you usually write well despite the inaccuracies contained in your writings.

[woodlawn]

RE: Daddy

 

>Furthermore, in your response you obviously (purposely)

>ignored my suggestion for you to use the "search" function of

>this site which will confirm that I never made any such

>posting or communication to you or to this site.

 

I'm sure the "search" function would find no such post under the screen name you are currently using. But I didn't say the post had been made under that screen name. You really shouldn't waste your time declaring that you've never used any other screen name; we've heard it all before.

 

 

>Do not worry, you will survive despite your proclivity to make

>incorrect and inconsistent statements about various posters.

>That fact notwithstanding, you are often witty and analytical

>and you usually write well despite the inaccuracies contained

>in your writings.

 

Spare my blushes!

[Guest alanm]

RE: Dear Daddy...

 

RockHard wrote in response to Daddy:

 

>Business is rarely an altruistic enterprise. Even social

>workers are capable of earning a decent income.

 

My comment: Do you have any idea how little social workers earn?

 

 

Daddy:

 

>Every time I get a note that says: “Daddy, I was able to

>finish my schooling and I now have a good job. I need to

>retire.”, I celebrate.

>

>Every time some “Mature” gentleman mentions that they were

>able to put “That Spark” back into their life, I’m pleased.

>

>That’s why I’m here, and that is why Hooboy was here. As long

>as there is enough that I can sleep indoors, eat three meals a

>day, and every once in a blue moon have a chance to go out and

>smell the roses, I’ll be content."[/i][/font]

 

HardRock:

 

>I'm speechless and I've heard enough. All my questions have

>been answered. Daddy, I wish you good luck and mean you no ill

>will and no disrespect. But, please, get some help. I have a

>feeling you deserve a better life than this.

 

My comment:

 

Sounds like Daddy is motivated by something other than money. We know from your 200 posts that you are motivated by nothing but money and status. Edge to Daddy.

[RockHard]

RE: alanm...

 

How little you know.

[joel304]

I truly don't understand why more posters aren't accepting Oz's statements as fact. I met Hoo on two occasions, and I assure you all that he was more than "breaking even." It is laughable to believe that anyone would devote their time and money to the life reaffirming mission of bringing together escorts and clients.

 

"What on earth gave you the idea that I want to hear the story of your life?Save it for someone who cares -- if you can find such a person." All rights to Woodlawn

[joel304]

I truly don't understand why more posters aren't accepting Oz's statements as fact. I met Hoo on two occasions, and I assure you all that he was more than "breaking even." It is laughable to believe that anyone would devote their time and money to the life reaffirming mission of bringing together escorts and clients.

 

"What on earth gave you the idea that I want to hear the story of your life?Save it for someone who cares -- if you can find such a person." All rights to Woodlawn