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I saw him a couple weeks ago.

 

Requested mutual nude, he agreed. However when he arrived he demurred. Saying that he had a few bad experiences with "old guys" trying to finger him or attempt oral on him. Neither of which was my intention and for the record I'm not what people typically consider old, unless they're 23 or something. But I digress....

 

Massage was adequate, and filled with funny talk about his new hot girlfriend and fledgling personal training empire. He's easy to talk to and engaging. I did call him out on the underwear thing at the end and he said he'd be more comfortable maybe...NEXT time.

 

I've been to busy to confirm if that would be the case. That said, he's a nice guy but I saw he raised his price to $180.

 

I don't go that high unless I am assured of the exact massage I know I'm going to get.

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Wow, @nyblkguy , you sure are understanding. I would have been pissed off. If a masseur promises me something on the phone....and when the massage begins does not provide what he agreed to ....that is just plain wrong. And to make it even worse, to say he will not provide it (even though on the phone he agreed to it) because "old guys" try sexual things on him is insulting to anyone over 25 years old. Being a "nice guy" does not allow you to not provide the service you promised and blame it on "old guys." And on top of this to charge $180 for just a massage keeping your shorts on? Dude does not seem cool to me, and his price seems WAY high for what he offers. Being "nice" does not trump going back on your word and blaming it on "old guys"

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Wow, @nyblkguy , you sure are understanding. I would have been pissed off. If a masseur promises me something on the phone....and when the massage begins does not provide what he agreed to ....that is just plain wrong. And to make it even worse, to say he will not provide it (even though on the phone he agreed to it) because "old guys" try sexual things on him is insulting to anyone over 25 years old. Being a "nice guy" does not allow you to not provide the service you promised and blame it on "old guys." And on top of this to charge $180 for just a massage keeping your shorts on? Dude does not seem cool to me, and his price seems WAY high for what he offers. Being "nice" does not trump going back on your word and blaming it on "old guys"

 

Ha Ha. It's really my dry sarcasm. You're 100% right btw. I was not amused, but I was a little stoned. So I just went with it as there was only one article of clothing between us at that point. His saving grace was his ending. He did it pretty well and put some effort into it. Wasn't mechanical and did a little dirty talk even. So I gave him a pass on the deception.

 

I wrote the post on here to let folks know exactly what he's about. So they can make their own choices when shit like this goes down from him.

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I saw him a couple weeks ago.

 

Requested mutual nude, he agreed. However when he arrived he demurred. Saying that he had a few bad experiences with "old guys" trying to finger him or attempt oral on him. Neither of which was my intention and for the record I'm not what people typically consider old, unless they're 23 or something. But I digress....

 

Massage was adequate, and filled with funny talk about his new hot girlfriend and fledgling personal training empire. He's easy to talk to and engaging. I did call him out on the underwear thing at the end and he said he'd be more comfortable maybe...NEXT time.

 

I've been to busy to confirm if that would be the case. That said, he's a nice guy but I saw he raised his price to $180.

 

I don't go that high unless I am assured of the exact massage I know I'm going to get.

 

WOW, I do think it's extremely rude and inappropriate to try to finger or blow a masseur, it's a massage and not a sexual encounter. If one wants that level of interaction, one should negotiate that with an escort. And if one wants that with a masseur, one better be careful to obtain a very explicit consent.

 

However, if a couple of "old guys" did that in the past, why presume all new clients guilty as well? Why not just make sure these are off limits by clearly spelling it out (something like "I know you probably won't do this but I had these bad experiences in the past... so these things are a clear NO") rather than withhold nude service, especially if it was promised beforehand? And especially if one charges that kind of rate. I can get excellent massage, not just adequate, for $80-100 an hour, so I'd be pissed off too.

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WOW, I do think it's extremely rude and inappropriate to try to finger or blow a masseur, it's a massage and not a sexual encounter. If one wants that level of interaction, one should negotiate that with an escort. And if one wants that with a masseur, one better be careful to obtain a very explicit consent.

 

However, if a couple of "old guys" did that in the past, why presume all new clients guilty as well? Why not just make sure these are off limits by clearly spelling it out (something like "I know you probably won't do this but I had these bad experiences in the past... so these things are a clear NO") rather than withhold nude service, especially if it was promised beforehand? And especially if one charges that kind of rate. I can get excellent massage, not just adequate, for $80-100 an hour, so I'd be pissed off too.

It's a sensual massage, some level of eroticism/sensuality sexual play is expected. But I've also been on the other side, where masseurs position their dick in my face and I have no desire to do oral, or even worse, when they put their asses in my face and I'm disgusted by it. So the I think common sense is important, tease and if they allow it you can go a little further, but if they reject it, just stop. Don't push it.

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posted in the other thread on Red this:

 

Known him well for a year. He was a dancer here in DC at Secrets. Went by "Red" here too. Moved here from Raleigh, NC and brought a friend who still dances there. He spent some time growing up in Hawaii and is a surfer. I think family is in San Antonio. Says he's bi but G4P only. He asks a huge amount and I doubt he really "goes there" much if at all. Massage is a good hook for him.

I never went with him because he has the biggest fattest butt I've ever seen on a guy his size. Not this top's dream. Otherwise he is muscular with an average dick.

 

He also is very moody, with a decided preference for being down.

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posted in the other thread on Red this:

 

Known him well for a year. He was a dancer here in DC at Secrets. Went by "Red" here too. Moved here from Raleigh, NC and brought a friend who still dances there. He spent some time growing up in Hawaii and is a surfer. I think family is in San Antonio. Says he's bi but G4P only. He asks a huge amount and I doubt he really "goes there" much if at all. Massage is a good hook for him.

I never went with him because he has the biggest fattest butt I've ever seen on a guy his size. Not this top's dream. Otherwise he is muscular with an average dick.

 

He also is very moody, with a decided preference for being down.

What does "being down" mean in this case? Depressed? Sad?

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I saw him a couple weeks ago.

 

Requested mutual nude, he agreed. However when he arrived he demurred. Saying that he had a few bad experiences with "old guys" trying to finger him or attempt oral on him. Neither of which was my intention and for the record I'm not what people typically consider old, unless they're 23 or something. But I digress....

 

Massage was adequate, and filled with funny talk about his new hot girlfriend and fledgling personal training empire. He's easy to talk to and engaging. I did call him out on the underwear thing at the end and he said he'd be more comfortable maybe...NEXT time.

 

I've been to busy to confirm if that would be the case. That said, he's a nice guy but I saw he raised his price to $180.

 

I don't go that high unless I am assured of the exact massage I know I'm going to get.

 

Curious about the tolerance level of people in this forum on services promised. If someone like Big Red promised mutual nude during the massage (at $180/hr!!) as in the example above, but after the massage started did not get nude and you reminded him of his promise of that service, and he refused, would you leave or stay? Sounds like a classic bait and switch to me, no matter what his excuse is. Promising a service to get you there....but then not providing it once you arrive.....is what a bait and switch is, and what Big Red did. Question to Forum Members: Would you leave or stay if this happened to you?

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I don't care who he is or what he looks like, I would never hire a guy who's ad included a picture of him flipping off his potential clients.

 

He pretty much said "fuck you" prior to the bait and switch and then "fuck you" again after you got on the table and he backed off on the agreed upon terms of the session.

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