LeBoy going smokeless?

[+ Cock Eyed Optimist]

On Facebook, LeBoy is conducting a poll as to whether the inside bar should go smokeless and have all smoking restricted to the outdoor patio. The results are running about 78% in favor.

The smoking policy regarding Florida bars has been a topic of conversation here for many years.

[Jake]

Wow! Now if they would listen to the rest of our suggestions.

[twinkboylover28]

I would visit the Florida clubs for the first time if they became smoke-free. I hated visiting Montreal or Detroit clubs where my clothes would reek of cig smoke after a night out.

[+ poolboy48220]

Detroit clubs have been smokeless since 2010 or so, Michigan passed a law banning smoking in bars/restaurants.

[Jake]

Seems to be a no-brainer. I don't know smokers who are so passionate about only smoking in a barstool. It's not like Ft Laud is in the extreme cold north where smokers are shivering outside.

[bigvalboy]

LeBoy has a lot of problems, the smoking issue is the least of them. They might want to start with exorbitant drink prices, lap dance pricing for the VIP rooms that gouge the customer, unfriendly bartenders and staff, parking fees, the ridiculous decision to close the inside of the bar on Monday's while keeping the patio open, dirty bathrooms and toilets that rarely flush, and and and... insanely high ATM fees. Other than that...Sean is doing just fine.

Edited October 26, 2017 by bigvalboy

[Jake]

LeBoy has a lot of problems, the smoking issue is the least of them. They might want to start with exorbitant drink prices, lap dance pricing for the VIP rooms that gouge the customer, unfriendly bartenders and staff, parking fees, the ridiculous decision to close the inside of the bar on Monday's while keeping the patio open, dirty bathrooms and toilets that rarely flush, and and and... insanely high ATM fees. Other than that...Sean is doing just fine.

 

You can't see it, but I'm giving a standing ovation.

[bigvalboy]

You can't see it, but I'm giving a standing ovation.

 

[twinkboylover28]

Problem is, the 22% not in favor most likely represent 78% of their revenue. Non-smokers suck at tipping compared to smokers, plain and simple. This is in all types of business. Servers would rather work in a morgue than a casino non-smoking section. "Dead people tip better" - Smurof

 

Hmmm....spoken like a true smoker.

 

Do you have any proof to back that statement up? Being a non-smoker, I always tip 20-25% for good service in restaurants, and considering around 99% of the entire USA and CANADA are now, or have already been smoke-free for several years inside bars and restaurants.... Florida seems to be one of the last holdouts.

 

FAKE NEWS!

[hornytwells]

Hmmm....spoken like a true smoker.

 

Do you have any proof to back that statement up? Being a non-smoker, I always tip 20-25% for good service in restaurants, and considering around 99% of the entire USA and CANADA are now, or have already been smoke-free for several years inside bars and restaurants.... Florida seems to be one of the last holdouts.

 

FAKE NEWS!

Absolutely agree, I always tip at the top end of the scale, unless service was exceptionally bad, and have never smoked in my life, I think the above is a ridiculous statement.

[hornytwells]

As a server in an Indian casino restaurant, it takes 17 hours worked to make as much in gratuities from a non-smoking section to 1 hour in a smoking section. The problem are large parties who wrongfully presume a tip was added to their bill when it is not, and they leave nothing. Frequently. I bust my ass to make sure everything is correct and drinks are filled with regularity. Not fake news.

Well I will take your word for it, but I never heard of such a thing before, they should tip you a lot more anyway for endangering your health, you deserve it-I couldn't do it

[hornytwells]

Thanks, although my point is I work in the non-smoking section of the restaurant, so the only thing in danger is my income, not my health .

yes, but by not working in the smoking section you have a higher chance of living longer, so you win in the end! And I were there I would tip you handsomely but I have never been in a casino in my life!

[+ Travis69]

You can be healthy and poor!!!

[KennF]

As a server in an Indian casino restaurant, it takes 17 hours worked to make as much in gratuities from a non-smoking section to 1 hour in a smoking section. The problem are large parties who wrongfully presume a tip was added to their bill when it is not, and they leave nothing. Frequently. I bust my ass to make sure everything is correct and drinks are filled with regularity. Not fake news.

 

Well, I read you connecting two separate things. Smoking Section and Large Parties. How can you tell how much is associated with Large Parties, and how much is the smoking factor?

 

I don't know that any real studies have been done.

[johnjohn]

I hope they go No Smoking inside

[+ DickyF]

As a server in an Indian casino restaurant, it takes 17 hours worked to make as much in gratuities from a non-smoking section to 1 hour in a smoking section. The problem are large parties who wrongfully presume a tip was added to their bill when it is not, and they leave nothing. Frequently. I bust my ass to make sure everything is correct and drinks are filled with regularity. Not fake news.

This is a little off topic but why doesnt the casino include gratuity for large parties? That’s what most restaurants do. That’s why most of these customers think gratuity is included. If the issue is large parties I can see where they may tend to sit in the nonsmoking section since most of them probably don’t smoke. But that issue is not directly related to smoking. In DC and many cities there is no smoking period but waiters still make plenty.

At LeBoy I dont think smoking has anything to do with tipping.

Edited October 31, 2017 by DickyF

[+ DickyF]

This is a little off topic but why doesnt the casino include gratuity for large parties? That’s what most restaurants do. That’s why most of these customers think gratuity is included. If the issue is large parties I can see where they may tend to sit in the nonsmoking section since most of them probably don’t smoke. But that’s not directly related to smoking. In DC and many cities there is no smoking period but waiters still make plenty.

At LeBoy I dont think smoking has anything to do with tipping.

I thought of something else - there is something called diffusion of responsibility: if a single stiffs you then he feels guilty. If a whole bunch stiffs you then each person feels less guilty bc everyone did it. But regardless the restaurant should include gratuity for large parties

[KennF]

I think I must live in an alternate reality. The restaurants I go to, large and small, have clear signage that say an automatic 18% (usually) gratuity is added to large parties (usually 8 or more).

 

*shrug*

[+ bashful]

Purely anecdotal.

 

A friend (also a smoker) who waited tables in restaurants back when there were smoking sections, always preferred working the smoking section because average tab per table was larger than in the non-smoking section. Generous tippers (leaving 20% or more) were in both smoking and non-smoking sections. However, the smokers were leaving that 20% on the higher tab when there were seated in the smoking section. Smokers would usually order a before dinner cocktail with a cigarette, and linger after dinner for a cigarette and after dinner drink. I know I did when I smoked.

[twinkboylover28]

Purely anecdotal.

 

A friend (also a smoker) who waited tables in restaurants back when there were smoking sections, always preferred working the smoking section because average tab per table was larger than in the non-smoking section. Generous tippers (leaving 20% or more) were in both smoking and non-smoking sections. However, the smokers were leaving that 20% on the higher tab when there were seated in the smoking section. Smokers would usually order a before dinner cocktail with a cigarette, and linger after dinner for a cigarette and after dinner drink. I know I did when I smoked.

 

 

Hmmm....spoken like a true smoker.

 

Do you have any proof to back that statement up with statistics? Being a non-smoker, I always tip 20-25% for good service in restaurants, and considering around 99% of the entire USA and CANADA are now, or have already been smoke-free for several years inside bars and restaurants.... Florida seems to be one of the last holdouts.

 

The implication that smokers "tip more" than non-smokers is ridiculous. I could also list personal stories claiming just the opposite, because the smokers I know were broke and pennyless after spending all their money on cigs and taxes...and doctors!

 

FAKE NEWS!

[bigvalboy]

Purely anecdotal.

 

A friend (also a smoker) who waited tables in restaurants back when there were smoking sections, always preferred working the smoking section because average tab per table was larger than in the non-smoking section. Generous tippers (leaving 20% or more) were in both smoking and non-smoking sections. However, the smokers were leaving that 20% on the higher tab when there were seated in the smoking section. Smokers would usually order a before dinner cocktail with a cigarette, and linger after dinner for a cigarette and after dinner drink. I know I did when I smoked.

 

At least you said "purely anecdotal"

Because it is. I have friends who don't smoke and are horrible tippers, yet I have never smoked, and I tip easily in the 25% range every time. I always have at least one before dinner cocktail, and never order until I have finished that cocktail, and I always order at least one after dinner cocktail. I hate restaurants who try to rush you out or "turn tables" as they. My non-smoking friends linger as long as my smoking friends do.

 

Perhaps someone has done some research on this.

 

As far as LeBoy is concerned. I only go if friends are here from out-of-town. I wouldn't be caught dead in the place otherwise, and it has nothing to do with their smoking policy.

[twinkboylover28]

 

Perhaps someone has done some research on this.

 

 

Ditto.

[P Gren]

Purely anecdotal.

 

A friend (also a smoker) who waited tables in restaurants back when there were smoking sections, always preferred working the smoking section because average tab per table was larger than in the non-smoking section. Generous tippers (leaving 20% or more) were in both smoking and non-smoking sections. However, the smokers were leaving that 20% on the higher tab when there were seated in the smoking section. Smokers would usually order a before dinner cocktail with a cigarette, and linger after dinner for a cigarette and after dinner drink. I know I did when I smoked.

Smoking is one of the health indicators of poverty. A much higher percentage of poor people smoke than higher income groups (I'm sure its related to the on-going stress of being poor and survival). Seems inconsistent with tipping.

[+ sniper]

Smoking is one of the health indicators of poverty. A much higher percentage of poor people smoke than higher income groups (I'm sure its related to the on-going stress of being poor and survival). Seems inconsistent with tipping.

 

You'd think, but wealthier people are notoriously bad tippers for the most part. I had a friend who was a paperboy with his route split between the blue collar and the extremely wealthy part of town. Paper was something like $1.25 for the week, of which he kept 28 cents. In the blue collar section of town it was not uncommon for a guy to throw him a five and tell him to keep the change. In the rich section of town every last customer gave him $1.25 and not a penny more.

[Chidude]

You'd think, but wealthier people are notoriously bad tippers for the most part. I had a friend who was a paperboy with his route split between the blue collar and the extremely wealthy part of town. Paper was something like $1.25 for the week, of which he kept 28 cents. In the blue collar section of town it was not uncommon for a guy to throw him a five and tell him to keep the change. In the rich section of town every last customer gave him $1.25 and not a penny more.

 

Interesting story. Although paying $1.25 for something that costs $1.25, instead of an additional $3.75 doesn’t automatically mean someone is a jerk or a bad tipper.