Rentmen Donations/Fees Gone?

[+ TheKnobGobbler]

i see references to a rentmen phone app ... maybe i'm totally out of it but it does not come up in the apple iphone store ...help ...

 

You'll need to download it through your phone's browser at the Rent.men website. I don't think apps with explicit content are allowed to be in the iTunes or Google Play app stores, so they're considered "third-party".

[+ quoththeraven]

Do you have any recommendation that can be put into action?

 

Escort sites are closing and/or are being limited on what can be advertised. This now applies even to foreign based escorts sites.

 

If the escort site closures and advertising restrictions continue, escorts and clients just might return the streets for getting together. Prior to the Internet, this was an ordinary and customary method for clients and escorts to meet.

 

I understand how (but not why) rentboy (a U.S. based escort site) got into the snare of the U.S. Government. What I do not understand is why foreign based escorts sites are modeling and changing their sites to fit the rules that are for the U.S.

 

Why does rentmen, a foreign based escort site, now prohibit escort fee information from ads?

 

The U.S. has no jurisdiction in foreign countries with respect to escort sites or what can be advertised.

 

Can anyone explain this phenomenon, like I was a six year old?

 

In short, I am baffled why and how the U.S. influences the functions of foreign based escorts sites.

Another answer to your question is to educate yourself about the proposed Stop Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017 (SESTA), which hasn't received nearly as much attention here as it deserves, and lobby against it. I am sure its existence is a factor in what Rentmen is doing. Here's a summary of testimony against it by law professor and expert in internet law Eric Goldman.

 

http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/09/my-senate-testimony-on-sesta-sesta-hearing-linkwrap.htm

 

As he notes in his testimony, if passed this law, which blows a huge hole in the protection internet sites have against claims arising from user content, will affect everything, this site included. In fact, this site is more at risk from it than Rentmen is. Rentboy and Redbook (and possibly the Backpage prosecution) are precedent for saying the operation of Rentmen violates federal criminal law and therefore Rentmen can't rely on the safe harbor that SESTA endangers. Rentmen is not protected because of the law but because of jurisdictional technicalities - technicalities that only work if Rentmen has no US presence other than on the internet. US credit/debit card payment could conceivably be shut down. Rentmen owner(s) would have to avoid entry into the US or, conceivably, any other jurisdiction that prohibits the exchange of sexual acts for money. (I would not recommend relying on obfuscating Rentmen's ownership.) Rentmen would also have to avoid employing anyone in the US or having any agents in the US or, conceivably, any other jurisdiction where one side or both sides of transactional arrangements are considered criminal. All of that risks arrest, imprisonment and prosecution.

 

What one wants or thinks makes sense is often not the way things are. Many people claimed Rentboy was too blatant. Now many people think Rentmen is being too risk averse. I'm sure there are people who have felt both ways in their time. Remember it's an issue of livelihood, prison and freedom to travel for these folks. The idea that your inconvenience should be more important to them than their freedom is pretty laughable. Rather than admonish clients not to think with their dicks, maybe it makes more sense to ask them not to act like dicks, keep track of favorite providers' contact information and patronize providers who maintain their own websites.

[coriolis888]

Another answer to your question is to educate yourself about the proposed Stop Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017 (SESTA), which hasn't received nearly as much attention here as it deserves, and lobby against it. I am sure its existence is a factor in what Rentmen is doing. Here's a summary of testimony against it by law professor and expert in internet law Eric Goldman.

 

http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2017/09/my-senate-testimony-on-sesta-sesta-hearing-linkwrap.htm

 

As he notes in his testimony, if passed this law, which blows a huge hole in the protection internet sites have against claims arising from user content, will affect everything, this site included. In fact, this site is more at risk from it than Rentmen is. Rentboy and Redbook (and possibly the Backpage prosecution) are precedent for saying the operation of Rentmen violates federal criminal law and therefore Rentmen can't rely on the safe harbor that SESTA endangers. Rentmen is not protected because of the law but because of jurisdictional technicalities - technicalities that only work if Rentmen has no US presence other than on the internet. US credit/debit card payment could conceivably be shut down. Rentmen owner(s) would have to avoid entry into the US or, conceivably, any other jurisdiction that prohibits the exchange of sexual acts for money. (I would not recommend relying on obfuscating Rentmen's ownership.) Rentmen would also have to avoid employing anyone in the US or having any agents in the US or, conceivably, any other jurisdiction where one side or both sides of transactional arrangements are considered criminal. All of that risks arrest, imprisonment and prosecution.

 

What one wants or thinks makes sense is often not the way things are. Many people claimed Rentboy was too blatant. Now many people think Rentmen is being too risk averse. I'm sure there are people who have felt both ways in their time. Remember it's an issue of livelihood, prison and freedom to travel for these folks. The idea that your inconvenience should be more important to them than their freedom is pretty laughable. Rather than admonish clients not to think with their dicks, maybe it makes more sense to ask them not to act like dicks, keep track of favorite providers' contact information and patronize providers who maintain their own websites.

 

 

While I am confident that you are correct in what you wrote, I cannot reconcile the criminal prosecutions, fines and jail time inflicted on Internet site owners and employees simply because consenting adults wish to use those sites to communicate and meet for adult sex.

 

I have to ask how and where the sentiment of the former National Hymn of the United States fits into the prosecutions of so-called crimes that have no victims. I think most of us know how the Nation Hymn reads:

• 
  My country, 'tis of thee,
  Sweet land of liberty,
  Of thee I sing;
  Land where my fathers died,
  Land of the pilgrims' pride,
  From every mountainside
  Let freedom ring!
  

It seems that the prosecutors' office missed the Hymn while attending school or learning history.

[+ goosh69]

This would surprise me a little.

Distributed ledger solutions (I.e., blockchain) are snowballing and used for everything from selling surplus hotel room nights to used car parts. If you ask 10 people if Bitcoin (or one of the many other cryptocurrencies) is a currency or an asset you'll get 10 different answers; that's an important question. I would think that perhaps the OCC could institute a reg that prohibited federally chartered banks from engaging in any transactions involving a non-sovereign currency (so it would make it more difficult to buy BTC's using my US Visa, for example, but I can still buy 100 other currencies and then use them to buy BTC's in accounts completely domiciled outside the US.)

I think that the genie is out of the bottle on this one and the challenge is to make it a reasonably economical process. Losing 15-cents on the dollar on conversions is a bit of a discouragement.

But, for small RentMen transactions, it would be cheap insurance for some.

Besides, it's a good way to get rid of that Olive Garden gift card your aunt gave you.

 

Nonesense. You can and WILL absolutely have BLOCKCHAIN without BITCOIN. Just like you can have Internet without Internet gambling or automobiles without lead engines.