How escorts REALLY feel about their clients

[Guest Conway]

Hey, now. Looks like they unlocked the doors over at the psych ward today. Both of the moonbats have decided to come over here to promote their most curious brand of anti-socialism.

[Guest Conway]

I never would have hired the guy. But, I think I'll hire him for an overnight now. If there's something about him that makes so many other escorts and Johns want to ruin him so badly, I want to try it.

 

Deej, you should have known that your particpation in this thread was only going to lead Dougie to some salivating rant.

 

Tee Hee. Maybe that's why you posted here. You are the puppeteer and Dougie is your marionette.

[VaHawk]

"Where's the Hawk when you need him?"

 

I do believe he was last spotted buzzing around at roadkillcafe.com, dining on the putrid carrion.

[Txpaytoplay]

I have read the blog entry, and must disagree with Doug in his interpretation. I also find it quite disturbing when someone...young, old, hunk or not unexpectedly shows up when I am cruising someone. Hell, I also get pee shy when one stands next to me in a stall. I would have quickly exited myself. Just my take on it. As far as the rest of the drama.....I'll stick to my soaps on TV.

[raife]

Realistic outlook?

 

[blockquote][blockquote]Of course escorts are with me because I am paying them and that is just fine with me because that makes our relationship free of emotional baggage. I am looking for a physical experience NOT an emotional one.[/blockquote][/blockquote] Thanks Epigonos for cutting to the chase. The epitome of a balanced honest perspective. [blockquote]Exactly. This is, in my view, precisely what is the healthy and realistic outlook on escorts and hiring escorts. Unfortunately, there are many people who hire escorts, including many who post here here, who delude themselves into believing that the escorts are with them because they have formed an emotional bond with the client and that the client has found a quasi-boyfriend or "companion" who values them and wants to be with them, and such clients use this to validate their self-worth ("Wow, this hot young guy and I have this great emotional bond and he's spending lots of time with me - he must REALLY like me; he's much more than a prostitute I hire - he and I have something special."). [/blockquote] I'm so glad everyone agrees on the most healthy and realistic perspective on the scene.

 

But then off you go, as with your fellow contrarian-in-residence: setting up a strawman to beat on. Have you actually witnessed anyone on this board saying the escort wasn't with them for the money, but for the "emotional bond"? I've seen no such muddle-minded, deluded punters around these parts, and I would have to say that given the general tone of meanness and nasty invective present on both these boards such a naïve innocent as you posit would get the stuffing knocked out of their delusions pretty fast. You have to be a tough-skinned motherfucker to survive the mean streets of m4m, and don't even get me started on the tiger cage that is the Mean Girls abode. On a lark, I showed the bitchfest to Eric, one of my regulars, the other night and he totally lost it, I loved the expression on his face. His favorite money quote (sic of course): [blockquote]good christ you ignorent fucking gutter fag,you souless prideless sack of festering shit,you prime canditate for retroactive abortion,or at least being shoved back into your mothers gaping hole....get a real fucking life already,you are not the center of our cyber experience you are here for our amusment,to be insulted and ridiculed (something the role you play for the straight guy you kneel for) nothing more. [/blockquote] Needless to say that's one reason your view/post ratio is under 2%: the teeming multitudes are there to watch the catfights. Not many are brave or foolhardy enough to take their shirts off and climb in with the tigers. You guys need to work on your welcome wagon if you're ever going to get that flying circus off the ground.

 

I do wish you and your feline friends well though, having a choice of venue counts for a lot. It's especially good for those homeless souls who have been banned here. I've played with the idea of posting there, but a cold compress and a couple of aspirin later and I'm back to my senses. I prefer not to get my cock & balls handed to me on a platter TUVM.

 

They come in useful from time to time.

[woodlawn]

RE: Realistic outlook?

 

> Needless to say that's one reason

>your view/post ratio is under 2%: the teeming multitudes are

>there to watch the catfights.

 

And what were YOU doing there? I never fail to get a kick out of all the posters here who wag their self-righteous fingers at the posters on the other board, but who are so often found over there reading the very same mean, hateful posts they claim to abhor.

 

 

>You guys need to work on your welcome wagon if you're ever

>going to get that flying circus off the ground.

 

Speaking only for myself, hypocrites who prattle endlessly here about the horrible invective to be found over there (but who obviously spend plenty of time reading that horrible stuff) are NOT welcome.

[Bilbo]

AT THE GYM

 

IMHO everyone seems to have overlooked a major player in this event merely because it is not human. I refer to the "scene", the "set", the "where the fuck they were doing this." The gym. A place where if anyone who wants to take offence and complains to management, or if a staff member himself walks in, they can and will usually take away your membership - sometimes a fairly costly thing - if you are caught having sex. At least here in Houston, it often seems like you can get away with more sex at the YMCA than you can in a gay owned and run gymnasium.

Yes, I would say that the author of this piece was freaked out. But it was not at the older man. It was at the younger man who could not only loose his membership, but also his job from indiscrete behavior. And, of course, there is the peripheral (perhaps unseen, but not unfelt) possibility that if a person who works here is doing all of this hoohah, and with a relative stranger to the place, then perhaps he is entrapping the onlooker. (I can use that word this time since we are not talking about breaking any civil laws, just ones put down by the business, since the business would probably not talk about this to the city.)

And then an older man, one who perhaps would be more likely to be at home in a suit when not in gym clothes walks in with another pair of eyes. A second witness.

Keep this thing in context when you are examining it, please. It makes it easier to understand and therefore, according to Holmes and Occam, more your understanding more likely to be true.

[Doug69]

RE: Realistic outlook?

 

>Speaking only for myself, hypocrites who prattle endlessly

>here about the horrible invective to be found over there (but

>who obviously spend plenty of time reading that horrible

>stuff) are NOT welcome.

 

Even worse, at least in my humble polite opinion, are the people here who constantly scream about how they hate personal attacks and insults - whether here or there - but then write post after post here insulting other posters for being boring and telling other posters how much they can't stand them.

 

Check out this thread for 9 or 10 examples of people who do that.

 

What can move someone to be so obvious about their hypocrisy? Criticizing personal attacks with one breath and then, with the next breath, calling other people here boring and telling them how much they dislike them?

 

I know hypocrites are hardly uncommon, but isn't it rare for people to be this transparent about the fact that they so casually violate the standards of conduct they preach for everyone else?

[Doug69]

>I never would have hired the guy. But, I think I'll hire him

>for an overnight now. If there's something about him that

>makes so many other escorts and Johns want to ruin him so

>badly, I want to try it.

 

So you're going to spend $2,500 or whatever on some prostitute you aren't really that attracted all because we don't like him?

 

Some day, you ought to contemplate the rather substantial effect we're having on you and your life, and think about why that is.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Cognitive Dissonance -- An Operational Definition

 

When your favorite poster eviscerates your favorite escort. :o

[raife]

Hypocrites on the move

 

[blockquote]And what were YOU doing there? I never fail to get a kick out of all the posters here who wag their self-righteous fingers at the posters on the other board, but who are so often found over there reading the very same mean, hateful posts they claim to abhor. [/blockquote] I do abhor meanness and hatefulness in terms of human relations, but as sheer spectacle, you do rank as a guilty interest. I'm a people-watcher by avocation, and always a student of social relations. Your forum is really quite educational. Kind of like [a href=http://www.rotten.com]here[/a]. I can honestly say I've never seen meaner anywhere else, including Hollywood, and that's saying a lot. Well OK, you do get a lot of competition from [a href=http://bbs.fuckedcompany.com/]this lot[/a]. [blockquote]Speaking only for myself, hypocrites who prattle endlessly here about the horrible invective to be found over there (but who obviously spend plenty of time reading that horrible stuff) are NOT welcome.[/blockquote] Don't like the dirty laundry getting out, eh?

 

Can't say I blame you. You can always persuade your Management team to lock the forum behind passwords, as some of the other [a href=http://p214.ezboard.com/bmuscleforums]ezboards do[/a]. Nothing to prevent pseudonymous requests though. But, wait, wouldn't that come dangerously close to the censorship you claim to hate?

[Guest Conway]

"So you're going to spend $2,500 or whatever on some prostitute you aren't really that attracted all because we don't like him?"

 

Who said I wasn't attracted to him. You're either really stupid or really illogical to assume that, because I've never hired him before that I'm not attracted to him.

 

My bet is on really stupid.

 

As for you and nurse Woodlawn, don't give yourselves too much credit. $2500 ain't a big deal to some of us like it is to you.

[Guest Conway]

RE: Realistic outlook?

 

Given the behavior exhibited by you and Nurse Woodlawn lately, what you think or feel doesn't really matter a rat's ass to anyone here.

 

Why don't you simply head back over to the message board you run at xanax.com where there is some appreciation for your opinion.

[Boston Guy]

Exactly.

 

My plumber wouldn't be working on my house if I didn't pay him. He's not doing it for fun and I'm sure he'd rather be doing lots of other things, including hanging out with his wife and family. But I pay him to come provide a service (plumbing) for me. When's he done, we usually end up shooting the shit for a while, often up to an hour, sometimes over a drink. We're not friends or pals, but we respect each other and enjoy the conversations. (And, no, he does not charge me for the social time.)

 

It's really not all that much different. Older men have more resources, usually, than younger men and pay them to do all sorts of things. The younger men, if they're smart, take away more than just money from the relationships.

 

BG

[raife]

Who the fuck is BN and why is he so special?

 

Thank you Bobby. The sexy voice of reason.

 

I'm quite perplexed by this whole shitstorm surrounding BN anyway. You'd think he was a celebrity or something. I'd like to meet the guy, just to find out what he's about. He [a href=http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=21936]writes[/a] well enough (even mentions having participated in my favorite [a href=http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/m4mdc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=25&topic_id=157&mesg_id=157&page=3]fetish[/a] - mucho bonus points in my book), seems to have his head on straight. I don't know why the fanatical love/hate thing, unless maybe he's the one guy everyone around here (except moi) has in common?

 

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm....

[carryover123]

RE: BN is so special

 

I agree with Raife's assessment on both his counter arguments and Bobby being sexy.

 

BN is very popular and can spend time with whomever he wants. It appears to me that he chooses to spend time with guys he likes to be with and guys that make him happy. From what I have read his guys are old, young, well off and not so well off. His agreeing to be with someone seems to be based on how well they get along and not solely on money. I may be wrong, but his reviews and his blog come across that way to me.

 

If BN was acting I think he would have slipped a long time prior to this statement in his blog. I think someone who found him out would have posted their experience and let others know about such a slip from his personal experience. There is nothing I have read to corroborate Doug's interpretation of the blog statement. There is nothing I have experienced to corroborate Doug's interpretation.

 

You may say that it is my imagination, but when it comes to imagination all I can say about this site is, (with appologies to John Lennon), imagine all the people living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Perhaps some day you'll join us and the whole world will live as one.

 

Doug I know you want peace and want it through understanding and the truth. Your comments are appreciated and I feel you believe strongly in your points and your outlook. I just wonder why you keep attacking BN on this. I would like to understand, but my experience does not equate with your accusations.

[woodlawn]

RE: Realistic outlook?

 

>Given the behavior exhibited by you and Nurse Woodlawn

>lately, what you think or feel doesn't really matter a rat's

>ass to anyone here.

 

Just remind me . . . when was the election in which YOU were chosen to speak for the rest of the people who post here? Oh, that's right -- it never happened. You just like to pretend that you represent others who in reality have never indicated that they give a shit what you think.

 

>Why don't you simply head back over to the message board you

>run at xanax.com where there is some appreciation for your

>opinion.

 

Because from time to time there actually are a number of people here who have indicated that they appreciate what I and Doug have to say. I can't really recall anyone saying that about you, however.

[woodlawn]

RE: Hypocrites on the move

 

>[blockquote]And what were YOU

>doing there? I never fail to get a kick out of all the posters

>here who wag their self-righteous fingers at the posters on

>the other board, but who are so often found over there reading

>the very same mean, hateful posts they claim to abhor.

 

> I do abhor meanness and

>hatefulness in terms of human relations, but as sheer

>spectacle, you do rank as a guilty interest.

 

So it is exactly as I said -- your constant finger-wagging in this forum is ludicrous in light of your repeated, demonstrated enjoyment of the very behavior you criticize. You may not be the biggest hypocrite I've ever encountered here, but you certainly belong in the top ten.

 

>Don't like the dirty

>laundry getting out, eh?

 

The same posts you call "dirty" are the ones you clearly enjoy reading. My objection is that you make my game too easy. When hypocrisy is as obvious as yours is, there's little sport in pointing it out.

[+ deej]

>Deej, you should have known that your particpation in this

>thread was only going to lead Dougie to some salivating rant.

 

Ayup.

 

Predictable. Foaming at the mouth about things that just ain't happening.

 

Kinda fun watching the silly poof flail, isn't it?

 

It just warms the cockles of my Kentucky-Fried heart seeing him fight so hard against censorship when he himself can't manage to get himself censored.

[Txpaytoplay]

Once again....we have strayed away from the main Topic of a thread to discuss our favorite whipping boy. What an obsession!:o

[Juan Vancouver]

Dear Doug,

 

In the past I have appreciated disagreeing with you, and sure enough, we have shared the same point of view here and there. One of the things that I have enjoyed about your posts, is that you used to stick to facts, avoided generalizations and assumptions.

 

Unfortunately, in this specific post all that I can see is a collection of that: assumptions, generalizations and personal interpretations of the little facts that you talk about.

 

The thing that troubles me the most is the one that concerns me personally: The title of your post.

 

During your post you indiscriminately interchange "all escorts" with "most of escorts" but your main message is that we are all disgusted by our clients, that we all lie and that we all like the same kind of sexual partners. You claim that we all wear masks, and that some of the clever ones can keep that fantasy, whereas the less bright of us now and then lower our guard and show the monster of deceit we are trying to hide.

 

Then, to agree that we are all disgusted by "clients" because they are old, of course you are assuming that all clients are old.

 

Then of course, you jump to conclusions about BN's reactions and his personal reasons, that -judging by what you quoted- are not clear at all.

 

Until now I have never posted in a BN-related thread. I can see that it is a very emotionally charged issue, and considering that I dont have any clear opinion one way of the other, I decided it was not worthy.

 

This time, however, it is not only about him; after assuming that one particular escort is showing his despise for a mature gentleman (which is not quite clear from that excerpt), you decide that it is because of the older gent's age, and then, go beyond that and say that it is intrinsic in the trollop nature to feel like that about all clients (Who are all old) and try to hide it with all our might.

 

I think this time you went a bit too far.

 

In a bizarre way it makes for funny reading, but I personally like you more when you stick to facts.

 

(By the way, before reading Deej's post I was thinking the same thing: that BN must be paying you an awfull amount of money for publicity. And come on; you know perfectly well that in politics and showbiz, publicity is only good when it is perfectly clear that the attacks are "real, vicious and unfair". it wouldnt be very good publicity if it was evident that the attack is paid for.)

 

When I read the title of your thread I thought that it was a serious question and that escorts were invited to respond: I was really eager to try an honest response and see what other escorts might say... no such luck! x(

 

Enough.

 

Juan

[OneFinger]

>It just warms the cockles of my Kentucky-Fried heart seeing him fight so hard against censorship when he himself can't manage to get himself censored.

 

Perhaps he should try harder. :+

[raife]

Attack of the killer queens

 

[blockquote]So it is exactly as I said -- your constant finger-wagging in this forum is ludicrous in light of your repeated, demonstrated enjoyment of the very behavior you criticize. You may not be the biggest hypocrite I've ever encountered here, but you certainly belong in the top ten.[/blockquote] Oh please, I know with the reframing thing to make yourself look the superior masked-lawyer type and all, but even you are stretching credulity to twist yourself into the simpleton you're playing in this rebut...

 

It's one thing in your place, when everybody agrees there's going to be a free-for-all, climbs into the ring, and the mud wrestling commences.

 

It's another thing completely when innocent, naive escorts and clients come in here seeking support, validation, and information only to be met head-on by the bitter condescending ripostes of a cynical bitchy queen.

 

In the first instance, all's agreed upon and fair enough, in the second, you're picking on the new guys and the emotionally unprepared. Not cool in my book. I don't advocate censorship, just common civility and self-restraint. Perhaps alien concepts for you and your coterie, but there it is.

 

Let me simplify:

 

consensual mutual verbal abuse = OK

 

non-consensual predatory verbal abuse = NOT OK

 

care to reframe this?

[+ deej]

>Perhaps he should try harder. :+

 

He'd never give up the audience.

 

He has a bully pulpit at escortspeak.com, which lets him expound to a whopping HUNDRED people.

 

He'll never give up on the bigger audience here. It's all about tonnage.

[Guest mbarz]

So, how are the roses HireGuys?