The way I see things

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Check the archives woodlawn pretty authoritatively

>id'ed Donnie's more respectable persona. So unless woodlawn

>got special access to all of our personal information from the

>management of this site, I think the simplest explanation is

>Ben doesn't know anything more than what has been posted on

>this site. I remembered it why couldn't BN?

>

>Extra bonus pleasure in seeing woodlawn wax indignant over a

>topic he knows very well is bogus.

>

>Jeff

>

>

 

LOL... Jeff this position is not going to make your any life easier. You are not being supportive of your fellow members axe griding activites. Worse you have just pronounced Woodlawn's renowned memory as faltering (it does happen with advancing age)or his action in this as disingenuous.

[woodlawn]

>LOL... Jeff this position is not going to make your any life

>easier.

 

I think you should be nicer to Jeff. After all, it's been years since either one of you has been able to see his own feet from a standing position without the aid of a mirror, and I'm sure you have a lot of other stuff in common as well. So don't rag on him.

 

>You are not being supportive of your fellow members

>axe griding activites. Worse you have just pronounced

>Woodlawn's renowned memory as faltering (it does happen with

>advancing age)or his action in this as disingenuous.

 

My "renowned memory" doesn't include a recollection of being given any inside information by the management of this site about the identity of anyone here. You might ask them if they remember doing that.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

There is a locked thread here started by Four Aces where he questions why some people are so hard on Benjamin Nicholas. Doug69 responds to him as follows:

 

"Just because you are old, obese and depressed and hire escorts does not mean that these attributes are shared by most or even many people who hire escorts. The fact that you lack self-esteem and hire escorts to compensate for that or to enable you to re-capture your lost youth is no basis for projecting those attributes onto other people. With the above statement, you are talking only about yourself."

 

Now of course Doug uses Four Aces' website to perpetuate his war on BN. And woodlawn is here suggesting that someone he disagrees with is fat. (Full disclosure: Doug also says that I am smelly. Yes, I read the Revolt site!) If that is the level of argument that Doug and Woodlawn have to resort to, why would any website want them?

 

What is the point of all of this argument anyway? Where could it possibly lead? You are a liar...no, you are...you're fat, no you are a cunt...no, I am not! Ad nauseum.

[tazmanian5230]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

Damm Lucky,

I would not want to be on your bad side....I wont steal your SB anymore !!

[BobbyB]

>IMHO..The Statement about another "Sandbox to Play In" sounds

>just about right! Isn't "Anybody" around here having Fun in

>Life--Getting Laid-Writing Reviews? All of a sudden everything

>is so Serious...

 

 

Amen, brother!

 

- BobbyB

"Losing faith in humanity one person at a time."

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

It is extremely difficult to get on my bad side.

[woodlawn]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

>And woodlawn is here suggesting that someone he

>disagrees with is fat. (Full disclosure: Doug also says that I

>am smelly. Yes, I read the Revolt site!) If that is the level

>of argument that Doug and Woodlawn have to resort to, why

>would any website want them?

 

Do you really want me to post some of the silly insults you've directed at others in recent weeks? Where do you get this penchant for criticizing others for doing EXACTLY the same shit that you do?

 

>What is the point of all of this argument anyway? Where could

>it possibly lead?

 

You tell me, since you have participated in plenty of such arguments yourself over the years. Really, your post has the air of a reformed drunk sermonizing on the evils of drinking. Except that you haven't reformed. Unless you've just gone on the wagon starting today?

 

If you think such behavior is stupid, why do you do it yourself? There certainly are people on this board who are in position to criticize such behavior, but you are not one of them.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

"Do you really want me to post some of the silly insults you've directed at others in recent weeks?"

 

Yes. You have the time, why not?

[Doug69]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

>"Do you really want me to post some of the silly insults

>you've directed at others in recent weeks?"

>

>Yes. You have the time, why not?

 

Here's one:

__________________________

 

Lucky Thu Jun-09-05 08:58 PM

Charter member

5581 posts

 

#10734, "RE: Looking For A Lawyer In Rio"

In response to Reply # 12

 

I have never suggested that you have an apartment in any area. But it was beyond pathetic that you posted under your alias again to try to dispel the proof of your stupidity!

_________________________

 

Some people might find a little bit of inconsistency between preaching about the need for an insult-free forum, on the one hand, and calling other posters stupid and pathetic, on the other.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

Well, that is just a statement of fact! Here you are one of the smartest guys on the board and you forgot to change screenames in the same forum. Then pretend it isn't you after all!

 

But how about your remark to Four Aces I quoted above. Nothing to say about that, huh, Doug?

[Doug69]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

>Well, that is just a statement of fact!

 

Nothing better than someone trying to justify why it's OK for THEM to spew out insults and personal attacks, but not when other people do it.

 

Here you are one of

>the smartest guys on the board and you forgot to change

>screenames in the same forum. Then pretend it isn't you after

>all!

 

I wish you weren't an old, retired guy living in Queens, and wish you had some money, so that we could bet about whether or not I am that guy.

 

>But how about your remark to Four Aces I quoted above. Nothing

>to say about that, huh, Doug?

 

What about it? Four Aces acknowledges that he's quite fat. As for the stuff about being depressed, he says I was thinking of someone else because he never wrote a post about how he is dealing with depression. And I do think that his description of people who hire prostitutes as being largely lonely and needing companionship is more about himself than about clients generally. So what do you want to know, Lucky?

 

There is nothing odd - as you seem to suggest - about the fact that I use and am welcomed on the message board he started despite having these opinions. That's because he wanted to create a forum where everyone can participate, and where anyone can say what they want, and where membership is not conditioned upon pleasing and saying things which meet the approval of some paternal censoring figure. Don't you wish you had a Board to participate in with that sort of freedom?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

It is one thing for Four Aces to say he is fat, it is another for you to use it against him as part of a diatribe about him being a depressed, lonely old queen who only hires escorts because he has low self esteem. And the thread he started was to ask why people are so hard on Benjamin Nicholas, and now you have virtually taken over ACE'S OWN WEBSITE to rail against the kid. Sure, you have a lot of respect for Four Aces, Doug.

 

The fact is that you are a bully. That is not an insult, just a fact. I don't like bullies.

[raife]

Please starve the trolls...

 

[blockquote]For some reason that I cannot fathom, you have always imagined that I give a shit about your opinion of me. Why? You are a fat old unemployed fairy who pays young men for sex. Does it really seem rational to you that I or anyone else would place much importance on winning the respect of such a person?

 

Think about it.[/blockquote]I'm always amused by these sad shadows of men that spend all their time here on a board that extols and facilitates male prostitution in all its glory, and think they can get traction by using said male prostitution as a source of belittlement and attack, like we're going to, what? Hang our heads in shame and say "Yeah, you're right mister baiter... society says I'm a bad man, I must be filth, and you sir, with your superior Morals and eminent Wisdom must win the argument by default."

 

It's like they're expecting the "Moral Majority" is going to pat them on the head and say "contragulations Trollies, you've been exemplary Guardians of the Faith and Protectors of the Cultural Taboos... keep up the good work." and then "Oops you're stil a homo... never mind."

 

I guess I haven't been around this board long enough, that and I'm not interested enough in dredging through the 1,873(and counting!!) bilious posts this obsessive twit has infested upon this MC but I'm curious as to how a person falls in to this particular rut... so perhaps I can avert such a fate myself in the distant future. Can anyone who has the requisite historical perspective or (say it isn't so) knows this person personally can enlighten me.

 

Is this person:

[blockquote][ol][li]An embittered ex-escort who neglected to save for retirement, turns around, surveys the wreckage of his life, and takes it out on the people that "did this to me"[/li][li]A refugee from Judeo-Christendom, seeing a ready forum of whom he sees as Sinners where he can cast Aspersions, Judgements and Condemnations to his heart's content without risk of opprobrium (until lately...)[/li][li]A would-be client himself, though mired in poverty, is forced to watch all the festivity and commerce around him from the sidelines and, sitting alone in the dark within the dank cavelike recess of his assisted-living slum apartment, despairs. He then turns around to vent this dispair on the people that "did this to me" [/li][li]A woman gasp - never mind, not possible, too much testosterone flowing forth [/li][li]An alien such as in Star Trek's "Day of the Dove": A mysterious being of pure energy (a psychedelic lightshow of shimmering colors) that both feeds and feeds off our negative emotions[/li][li] Just a guy, an average Joe, stuck in a horrible twilight-zone virtual reality from which he can never escape (for the love of humanity, let's please help the poor sod...)[/li][/ol][/blockquote]

I'm of the position that the less we interact with these pitiable shadow-men and feed their hunger for conflict and chaos, the more they will find this board "boring and stupid" and shuffle off to places like their newly created poison gas chamber, or perhaps a jaunty WWF fansite where their need for endless interpersonal conflict and verbal violence can be met. Our future might depend on it.

[woodlawn]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

>The fact is that you are a bully. That is not an insult, just

>a fact. I don't like bullies.

 

Doug is not a bully. Bullies are cowards. They run away when confronted. Doug does not run away or back down when confronted. You know this.

 

You also know that insulting someone and then saying "that's not an insult, just a fact" is dishonest and a way of avoiding responsibility for your own actions.

 

I have engaged in many personal attacks on this board. You have engaged in many personal attacks. The difference between you and me is that every once in a while you get up on your soapbox and preach a sermon against the negative atmosphere caused by all these personal attacks, the same atmosphere to which you have contributed on many occasions. If I did that, you would be among the first to scream "Hypocrite!"

 

Try being honest for once in your life. Recognize that if you really disliked this "negative atmosphere" you'd stop contributing to it and stop reading the posts of people who do. It continues to exist because you and many of the other people who complain about it want it to exist. If you didn't, you'd all behave differently.

[noviceny]

RE: Fat Chance of Reconciliation

 

You guys are all gay ??????

 

Thats fucked up...Im outta here you homos :-)

[woodlawn]

Woodlawn Keeps Trying

 

>I guess I haven't been around this board long enough, that and

>I'm not interested enough in dredging through the 1,873(and

>counting!!) bilious posts this obsessive twit has infested

>upon this MC but I'm curious as to how a person falls in to

>this particular rut... so perhaps I can avert such a fate

>myself in the distant future. Can anyone who has the requisite

>historical perspective enlighten me.

 

You've been very busy the past few days telling us how much you hate various members of this board, and I wouldn't want you to have to read all of my more than 1,800 posts, let alone the more than 3,000 from Lucky or the more than 5,000 from Rick Munroe or the thousands of others from all the "obsessive twits" who have many more posts than I do to their credit. So just take my word for the following.

 

If you did read all of my posts, you would not find that I have ever said that prostitution is a bad thing or that prostitutes and johns are all bad people and should be jailed or otherwise put out of commission. You would not find that I have ever started a thread condemning prostitutes or johns and demanding that they repent and change their ways. There is nothing to stop me from expressing these opinions, since these are not the sort of opinions that get censored here. I don't express them for the simple reason that they are not my opinions.

 

What you would find is that a very simple theme runs through many if not all of my posts. I do not like being lectured on honesty by people who frequently tell lies in order to make money or indulge their appetites. Nor do I care for being lectured on morality by people whose "morality" consists of the single principle, "If it feels good, do it." Nor do I want to be lectured on the importance of obeying the rules by people whose record shows they feel free to disregard any rule that interferes with their personal desires. When I see posters who fit these descriptions lecturing the rest of us on these subjects, it pleases me to remind them how ridiculous it is for people with their record to say what they are saying.

 

A variation on this theme can be found in the post you quoted. There are a couple of longtime regulars here who, heaven knows why, have gotten hold of the idea that they are fit to sit in judgment on the behavior of others. I deduce that they have this idea because sitting in judgment is something they do every chance they get.

 

They are constantly, and I do mean constantly, lecturing others on the proper way to behave on this message board. They are constantly making pompous pronouncements such as "I am saddened to tell you that you no longer have credibility with me." They don't seem to recognize that having credibility with someone with enough crimes on his record to qualify for a Repeat Offender program is not of much importance to any sane person. I have been trying for years, and I do mean years, to open their eyes to one very simple fact. People who have turned their backs on the morality of the society in which they live can only make themselves look ridiculous when they set themselves up as judges of the morality of others. I haven't gotten through to them so far, but I keep trying.

[jackhammer91406]

Keep Trying

 

Keep on trying Woodlawn. Remember, no good deed goes unpunished.

1800 posts on hypocrisy ought to be good for something.

[woodlawn]

RE: Keep Trying

 

>1800 posts on hypocrisy ought to be good for something.

 

They are good for something. They amuse me.

 

You ever watch 'The Sopranos'? It's one of the few television series I watch anymore. I think it's a riot. The protagonist, Tony, is a man who has amassed millions by lying, cheating, stealing and killing. But in almost every episode he is baffled and offended by the fact that the people he deals with do not behave with honesty and integrity. That, it seems to me, is the principal joke of the series. I enjoy it for the same reason I enjoy this board. Or the plays of Ionesco. I find absurdity funny. Few things are more absurd than a bunch of people who are outcasts in the society in which they live, but who then come up with their own system of rules and try to make outcasts of those who don't want to follow them. What could be more amusing?

[jackhammer91406]

RE: Keep Trying

 

Don't you just love irony?

[hed4str8]

RE: Keep Trying

 

How old is this Woodlawn? Anybody know?

[woodlawn]

RE: Keep Trying

 

>How old is this Woodlawn? Anybody know?

 

Nope, nobody knows. I wouldn't be likely to post that or any other personal information where a creature like you could get hold of it.

[N.N.]

RE: Woodlawn Keeps Trying

 

>They are constantly, and I do mean constantly, lecturing

>others on the proper way to behave on this message board.

>They are constantly making pompous pronouncements such as "I

>am saddened to tell you that you no longer have credibility

>with me." They don't seem to recognize that having

>credibility with someone with enough crimes on his record to

>qualify for a Repeat Offender program is not of much

>importance to any sane person. I have been trying for years,

>and I do mean years, to open their eyes to one very simple

>fact. People who have turned their backs on the morality of

>the society in which they live can only make themselves look

>ridiculous when they set themselves up as judges of the

>morality of others. I haven't gotten through to them so far,

>but I keep trying.

 

There is a difference between breaking a rule imposed on you by stupid legislation and breaking a rule that you agreed to follow. For example, just because someone had oral sex in Virginia (before the Lawrence v. Texas decision) doesn't mean they had no sense of morality or respect. It's a different matter if someone reads the current MC rules, has no intention of following them, and clicks on the "yes, I agree" button anyway. One difference is, it's more than just a matter of flaunting rules--it's also a matter of lying.

 

I agree that double standards and hypocrisy are common. But I don't think you have to abide by every last law on the books before you can express an opinion about what you think is moral.

[raife]

RE: Woodlawn Keeps Trying

 

[blockquote]They are constantly, and I do mean constantly, lecturing others on the proper way to behave on this message board. They are constantly making pompous pronouncements such as "I am saddened to tell you that you no longer have credibility with me." They don't seem to recognize that having credibility with someone with enough crimes on his record to qualify for a Repeat Offender program is not of much importance to any sane person. I have been trying for years, and I do mean years, to open their eyes to one very simple fact. People who have turned their backs on the morality of the society in which they live can only make themselves look ridiculous when they set themselves up as judges of the morality of others. I haven't gotten through to them so far, but I keep trying.[/blockquote]Well there's the problem right there... to relativistic thinkers, that is complete and utter bullshit. So just because a group of people smokes pot, they forfeit any right to comment on the a immorality of a serial baby killer, or theiving Enron execs? Give me a fucking break. OK, way too much of a strawman, fair enough. Just because I pay guys to suck my cock, I look ridiculous when I struggle against gay bashing and homohating in the larger society, or expect for escorts to not rip me off, or gossip and revile me behind my back? I certainly don't think so.

 

Well it's not just one "society" any more... There are innumerable subcultures loosely linked together. The culture war is a reality and evolution of thought and expanded human dignity will win out in the end. Levels of consciousness will increase and we'll all be more flexible and freer thinking. It's happened over and over, and Europe is ahead of us in these regards.

 

We'll have to just agree to disagree (hopefully respectfully), but I can see that your view causes immeasurable psychic harm to millions. Look at all the gay kids committing suicide because "society" deems them immoral and they've internalized an all-or-nothing absolutist view such as yours. They feel they must be worthless pieces of shit, so they will save society the trouble of putting them out of their misery. I've had many run-ins with escorts with just such a view, and priority one is to get them to flush the evil dogmatic crap that is doing all the internal damage. Yes, I would refer to them (as you) as "self-hating".

 

and then[blockquote]Few things are more absurd than a bunch of people who are outcasts in the society in which they live, but who then come up with their own system of rules and try to make outcasts of those who don't want to follow them. What could be more amusing?[/blockquote]Uhhh, people who are "outcasts" in society and act like doormats for said sociey to kick around and shit on. People without enough pride or self worth to fight back. Well amusement is kind of sick and inhuman, I would stay with pathetic.

 

Just because prostitution isn't socially accepted by the "Moral Majority" while we're busy trying to evolve beyond bible thumping, doesn't mean that it isn't and hasn't been accepted in many other cultures. There are uplifting Transcendent Spiritual escort experiences, salubrious theraputic experiences and then there are predatory demeaning experiences. According to your little absolutist dictum, we should just settle for the latter, because we're "outcasts" anyway. I'm saying I don't fucking think so, Charlie.

 

Hold on tight, it's going to be an interesting next few years when the [a href=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/jesse-kornbluth/if-the-real-estate-bubble_2620.html]God bubble bursts[/a].

 

Glad we could get to the bottom of this.

 

Peace Woodster...

[+ Lucky]

RE: Woodlawn Keeps Trying

 

Bubbles bursting, balloons popping...all in all a very nice post raife. I assume the Charlie you are referring to is woodlawn. He is going to take a while to respond, as he is busy compiling his list of insults that he says I have hurled over the years..but I think you hit the nail on the head here...

[+ deej]

RE: Keep Trying

 

>I wouldn't be likely to post that or any

>other personal information where a creature like you could get

>hold of it.

 

But the personal information of others is fair game.

 

The world according to Woodlawn. We get it.