WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

[Rick Munroe]

It's a good thing when gay-killers can't get away with this stuff.

 

From dailykos.com, posted by JamesB3:

 

"After last week's disgusting Kentucky ruling on a similar matter (the jury gave a man who beat and murdered a homosexual manslaughter because they felt that he was somehow victimized or traumatized, even though this man had bragged to his aunt that he was going to kill a homosexual), it's a relief that some people still do not buy into this smear-the-queer mentality. A Wisconsin 'former Eagle Scout' had oral sex with a man and hours later went back to the man's house, forced him to lay down on a rug, shot him, and then stabbed him just to make sure he was dead. He plead guilty and tried the "gay rage" defense; the jury declared him sane. He will be sentenced in March."

 

Full story: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/02/020505wiscMurd.htm

[Guest zipperzone]

>"After last week's disgusting Kentucky ruling on a similar

>matter (the jury gave a man who beat and murdered a homosexual

>manslaughter because they felt that he was somehow victimized

>or traumatized, even though this man had bragged to his aunt

>that he was going to kill a homosexual),

 

Hey - it was Kentucky - what did you expect?

[Rick Munroe]

I don't think taylor and KY-Top would agree. :o

[KY_TOP]

>Hey - it was Kentucky - what did you expect?

 

Like any trial BOTH sides enter evidence. First the defendent told his aunt "AFTER" the fact he had killed a queer, not before that he was going to. She testified as such at the trial. In the KY case there was no gun, knife or weapon and the death could have resulted from a fight, as was brought out at the trial. So even though the jury felt there could be some doubt about intent they still recommended 30 years for manslaughter when they could have recommended less than 10. He did not go free and got the Maximum sentence they could recommend.

 

Now hopefully people are not as bigoted to you when it comes to your sexuality as you are when it comes to where people live.

[Rick Munroe]

>Now hopefully people are not as bigoted to you when it comes

>to your sexuality as you are when it comes to where people

>live.

 

Good point. I get so tired of reading about red states vs. blue states. People should be treated as individuals no matter where they live or grew up.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Now hopefully people are not as bigoted to you when it comes

>to your sexuality as you are when it comes to where people

>live.

 

Hmmmmmmmm Someone rose to the bait just as I expected, although it wasn't the member I was expecting to do so.

 

I guess if you lived in Canada you wouldn't appreciate Newfie jokes either. People are so damn politically correct thesedays

[KY_TOP]

Update on Ky Gay Manslaughter Story

 

Update on the Kentucky story. Today the Judge sentenced the defendant to 20 years in prison, the jury had recommended 30 years. Unfortunately under Kentucky Law 20 years was the maximum sentence, per the prosecutor and the Judge agreed, that could be given for manslaughter. Sadly the guy will be eligible for parole in 2 1/2 years.

[HotdadENYC]

I think the fact that these crimes STILL happen is more relevant, in my opinion, than WHERE they happen. Its blatantly unfair to link the location of the crime to the ultimate disposition of the crime.

 

It does appear, however, that people are beginning to see that one of the underlying issues is hate, not race, color, creed or sexual orientation.

 

I'm not sure if the remark about Kentucky was meant as a joke or to be taken lightly. If so, I'm not laughing and I don't take crimes against another person very lightly at all.

 

On the other hand, I would hate to think that the Kentucky comment was meant to be a valid observation.

 

By extension, if anyone thinks that the larger urban areas, like NYC, where I live, are any more tolerant, then you might be in for a surprise. Here in NY we've come a long way since Stonewall, but there is still so much further we need to go to achieve alternative lifestyle tolerance.

 

For fear of entering political waters and thereby inspiring relocation of this thread, I'm going to rest here.

 

hd NYC

[Rick Munroe]

RE: WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

 

>there is still so much further we need to go to

>achieve alternative lifestyle tolerance.

 

What's an alternative lifestyle? :o

[+ Lucky]

It's always nice when a jury does the right thing, but there is nothing new about this "defense" and juries have been rejecting it or not all along...well, at least since 1980! Juries have "bought" it even in such liberal places as San Francisco! They have nopt "bought" it in some pretty conservative places, like Indiana!

[HotdadENYC]

RE: WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

 

>>there is still so much further we need to go to

>>achieve alternative lifestyle tolerance.

>

>What's an alternative lifestyle? :o

 

Are you joking, Rick, or should I go on ? If you were joking, I do appreciate your humor and you should just ignore the rest of this.

 

 

Well, you take it to mean whatever you want. Generally, in my view, it signifies homosexual relationships, but I tend to view it as "out of mainstream" couplings, so that man-man, woman-woman, black-white, white-black (or substitute any other combination, like White-Arab, etc.) would qualify. No matter what our orientation is, there should be little argument that the prescribed heterosexual paradigm of husband & wife, kids if they choose, is the accepted model for most, if not a lot us in US. I have no argument with that but I do support the rights of minorities to exist and flourish.

 

Cosmopolitan or not, many of my countrymen just don't see these types of couplings as being socially viable. Pathetic, I guess, but I suppose that tolerance will overcome. AND, if not, well then, I have an ATM card and loads of escorts to choose from. My erections have little to do with social consciousness.

 

Regards,

hd NYC

[Rick Munroe]

RE: WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

 

>>What's an alternative lifestyle? :o

>

>Are you joking, Rick?

 

No, I wasn't joking. I've never liked the term "alternative lifestyle" because gay people come in all colors, age groups, ethnic backgrounds and income brackets, and you can't say that the way we each live our lives is "alternative." A gay man who works 9-5, watches sports on TV, walks the dog, mows the lawn, remembers his anniversary, shops at the mall or Home Depot...how alternative is that lifestyle?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Lifestyle?

 

Homosexuality is an orientation, not a lifestyle.

[taylorky]

RE: Update on Ky Gay Manslaughter Story

 

my dad knows bette neimi (one of the defense team) pretty well,and was surprised she took this on.

 

of course all accused are and should be afforded adequate counsel...but this was a surprise.

 

and as for the KENTUCKY haters.......well at least we didn't release a once convicted murderer of his wife and two kids on a 20K bond.

 

that was indiana.

 

his conviction was overturned by the appellate court and sent back to jurisdiction for dismissal or retrial. the state will retry and was opposed to bond but....the new judge an old pal of a member of the defense team granted bail at 20K .

[HotdadENYC]

RE: WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

 

>>>What's an alternative lifestyle? :o

>>

>>Are you joking, Rick?

>

>No, I wasn't joking. I've never liked the term "alternative

>lifestyle" because gay people come in all colors, age groups,

>ethnic backgrounds and income brackets, and you can't say that

>the way we each live our lives is "alternative." A gay man

>who works 9-5, watches sports on TV, walks the dog, mows the

>lawn, remembers his anniversary, shops at the mall or Home

>Depot...how alternative is that lifestyle?

 

 

For lack of a better description, "alternative" works for me. BUT, you make a good point, I think. So give us some other ways to describe what we live, breathe and adhere to. Sadly, the time hasn't come yet when we are considered mainstream, so I would appreciate other ways to describe my lifestyle. I want to add, that its sort of like the Negro -- Black -- African American debate that helped enlighten us to political correctness.

 

Ultimately, I don't really give a shit about PC. I suck cock, I get sucked, I eat smooth clean ass, I fuck. I'm looking to get fucked by the right guy (escort or not). I like clean young white guys, although I would never go over (or under) the edge to achieve that. I like masculine Mediterrean guys. And I like other types of guys as well, older and younger. I am a perceived #### and make no excuses for that. But I am also drug & disease free.

 

My sexual preferences notwithstanding, it has little to do how I feel about the business I am in, or the politics I believe in or the way I treat my fellow man.

 

So tell me, what term would YOU use or suggest to describe my life choice?

 

hd NYC

[Rick Munroe]

RE: WI jury rejects "gay rage" defense

 

>So tell me, what term would YOU use or suggest to describe my

>life choice?

 

But that's just it; it isn't a choice. Your sexual orientation is just the way you are, the way you were born. I don't have an alternative to "alternative." What's wrong with "gay"? Also, there are many gay people (and straight people) who never have sex, so being gay really doesn't have a lot to do with your sexual activities; it's who you are inside and who you love or are attracted to. And from my experience as an escort, I can safely say that we are WAY more than just 10%!