Burke Williams (Los Angeles)

[bigvalboy]

Checked out BW again today and again there was major eye candy.

 

Two guys -- a goateed middle aged guy and a younger guy -- sported nice cocks and were trying to discreetly play with each other.

 

Goatee guy gave me the "no asians"/get up and leave whenever I entered treatment so I let them be and actively avoided them. It's tough because it's a small facility and he paid $75 to enter. I just had to go where they weren't.

 

Debating canceling my membership.

 

Maybe you should consider going to BW for a massage instead of the anticipation of "playing"...When I was in LA, I was a frequent flyer with BW. I love BW, I think it's a wonderful place to escape the world for a few hours, but never once went to play.

Edited March 24, 2018 by bigvalboy

[Drained Empty]

Maybe you should consider going to BW for a massage instead of the anticipation of "playing"...When I was in LA, I was a frequent flyer with BW. I love BW, I think it's a wonderful place to escape the world for a few hours, but never once went to play.

 

I don't go with the intention of "playing." These guys definitely were there for ulterior or secondary reasons.

 

I don't initiate and I don't encroach on personal space. And if two guys are playing I give them their own space, even if I've paid to share that shared space.

 

I've never heard it at BW, but I've been to Korean spas where I have heard guys say "too many Asians" or "wait for the Asians to leave." (The irony of these statements at these establishments does not escape me.) I have seen guys stay in a steamroom or sauna with all types entering -- young, old, hairy, bald, skinny, obese -- but if you're Asian they will beeline their way out of their before your ass hits the seat. It generally doesn't happen to any other race. Observe for yourself.

 

This particular gentleman at BW did not tolerate my presence, getting up abruptly each and every time I entered. I did not engage with him in any way except for plesantries I would extend anyone else (opening the door, waiting in the water line, etc.). For the other white, black and Latin patrons -- attractive or not -- he would not leave. So all things considered it was my race that was the differentiating factor. This happened thrice over several hours (it's not a large facility so we crossed paths) and after that I just avoided him and gave him a wide berth lest I "offend" him again. Ask your friends of color. We know when someone is looking at us because of our race. It's a subtle disdain that most white people can't pick up on.

[bigvalboy]

. Ask your friends of color. We know when someone is looking at us because of our race. It's a subtle disdain that most white people can't pick up on.

 

I am a person of color. Your sweeping generalizations, and preconceived sensitivities are not serving you well. Stop looking at your ethnicity first, and look at who you are as a person. My previous comment still stands...

[Drained Empty]

I am a person of color. Your sweeping generalizations, and preconceived sensitivities are not serving you well. Stop looking at your ethnicity first, and look at who you are as a person. My previous comment still stands...

 

You are the one who made assumptions about me, accusing me of "playing" and writing an entire post based off that assumption. I do not go there to "play" nor do I initiate such behavior. As I stated, they did. Not me.

 

Shame on you as a person of color for automatically siding with them. They were the ones violating the spa rules. Not me.

 

As a person of color, you know when you get "the look" because of your race. It is not a "sensitivity" or preconception. It is an observation and deduction.

 

Your previous comment has no merit. And your assumptions about me are not serving YOU well.

[Drained Empty]

Please tell me in which one I've said I've initiated with someone? Observing someone as handsome is not the same as playing with them. Again, assumptions. Incorrect ones.

Edited March 25, 2018 by Drained Empty

[bigvalboy]

You are the one who made assumptions about me, accusing me of "playing" and writing an entire post based off that assumption. I do not go there to "play" nor do I initiate such behavior. As I stated, they did. Not me.

 

There was one beefy white guy that used to walk around and sit in the steam room with a semi. I used to see him all the time but not recently. Maybe he got tossed.

I have to agree that lately there's been a dry spell. There is always at least one or two pretty hot guys there. Fridays can be very packed -- too packed to play.

It's a shame because when it was hot it was off the hook. I once got into a four-way in the steam!

Has anyone else seen the guy who does yoga in the steamroom. He always leaves his towel on the floor. Heavily tatted with a great body and hung?

Heard the Pasadena facilities and South Bay locations are cruisy. Hollywood definitely is not.

 

Sure sounds like you go there to play...

[Drained Empty]

Sure sounds like you go there to play...

 

I have never engaged with the beefy white guy. In fact, his behavior disgusted me. I've had private messages with another person on this board and he confirmed this guy's "rude looks" to patrons.

 

As for the four-way, I didn't initiate that. In all honesty I stretched the truth on that. I walked in and the three-way was going on, and then jacked off. I wasn't actually part of it nor am I ashamed to admit so.

 

I can unequivocally say I have never initiated with anyone at the spa because 1) I don't want to get tossed and 2) employees and their guests also use the spa.

 

Have I played there and broken the spa rules before? Yes. Do I seek out play every visit? No. And do I initiate play? Definitely not. And have guys walked out solely based of my race? Definitely yes.

 

As I wrote before, talking about someone's good looks is not the same as making a move on them. Talking about how the cruisiness of a location is not the same as playing there. Saying a place is "too packed to play" doesn't mean I initiate that behavior (that quote was in direct response to a poster seeking that kind of scenario).

 

I am always polite to everyone there; even the spa staff joke they should be opening doors for me, etc. Many other patrons aren't, and some are downright nasty (either for no reason or racism or whatever). I was just explaining one scenario and you ran away with it. But please, continue to do so. We have free speech ... at least for now.

[bigvalboy]

As for the four-way, I didn't initiate that. In all honesty I stretched the truth on that. I walked in and the three-way was going on, and then jacked off.

 

Have I played there and broken the spa rules before? Yes.

 

Maybe you should consider going to BW for a massage instead of the anticipation of "playing".

 

BW is not a bathhouse, breaking the spa rules creates an uninviting environment for those of us who go there for it's intended purpose. And when you lie in a post, it makes everything else you say suspect.

 

And lastly, not everyone in the world sees your ethnicity first. Stop playing the victim.

 

Now.... "Say goodnight Gracie"

Edited March 25, 2018 by bigvalboy

[Drained Empty]

I'm so sure in your many years as a "frequent flyer" at Burke Williams you never engaged in any "play." I don't believe that for a second and I doubt anyone on this board does.

 

You can copy and paste my responses and bold and underline until you're blue in the face. I've said that I've played there in the past. But the truth in this last visit is that I didn't go to play. The truth is that I've never initiated. Ever. And the truth is the patron reacted the way he did.

 

I know your type. You are someone who always has to get the last word in. You are someone who always needs to be right. You take it upon yourself to be judge and jury -- on a board about escorts of all places.

 

I'm here to share my experiences. Good and bad. Enjoyable or not. Rule-abiding or rule-breaking.

 

You are sanctamonius. Your posting history is rife with you telling other posters how they should feel.

 

I love how you saved your "BW is not a bathhouse" comment just for me, when other posters have inquired directly about "play" there. I guess those nights you don't get off with your (illegal) escort "hires," you get off on attacking other posters.

[boiledeggz]

What I don't get is, why be overly deferential or courteous to assholes? You should go and sit wherever you want to. That is my issue with your posts as a fellow Asian guy. Why give them the satisfaction?

[bigvalboy]

I'm so sure in your many years as a "frequent flyer" at Burke Williams you never engaged in any "play." I don't believe that for a second and I doubt anyone on this board does.

 

I have never once "played" at Burke Williams...period!

 

I love how you saved your "BW is not a bathhouse" comment just for me, when other posters have inquired directly about "play" there. I guess those nights you don't get off with your (illegal) escort "hires," you get off on attacking other posters.

 

You lied and stretched the truth to suit your own narrative, and now you accuse me of engaging in illegal activity. Perhaps it's not your ethnicity that's turning people off to you...

Edited March 25, 2018 by bigvalboy

[Drained Empty]

I have never once "played" at Burke Williams...period!

 

You lied and stretched the truth to suit your own narrative, and now you accuse me of engaging in illegal activity. Perhaps it's not your ethnicity that's turning people off to you...

 

Oh henney no. You did not just go there.

 

In your Feb 22, 2018 post, you wrote that most of the guys you "hire" (your own verb) don't speak English. I'm sorry, are we talking about day laborers? Oh, you're taking about "dancers/escorts."

 

Yes....

 

Would I not hire someone because of grammatical errors in their ad...no. Would I be more inclined to hire someone if their ad was perfectly written...no. Most of the guys I hire, English is not their first language, and most of them do not have a good command of it, but I simply don't care. I care how the escort/dancer treats me.

 

In the thread about Pebble Beach, dated Feb 19, you talk about how you haven't "hired" from the area, but your friends have. You must "hire" elsewhere. In your sanctamonius stance, you've forgotten that I can quote you, too. I can bold and underline like you, but others can see it's not necessary.

 

So who's lying.

 

You are cherry picking my responses trying to craft a narrative of your own. Yes, I have said I have played at BW. Whether it was a four-way or 3-way that I watched from the side is immaterial. I broke the rules (as did the others) and said so. There are no other "stretches of truth" in my posts.

 

You assumed I played with the beefy guy. I did not. You assumed I went to play. I did not (I was seeking therapy for a leg injury, if you must know).

 

This thread has devolved into you slinging mud at me. Do so in private so we don't waste other's time.

 

Oh and boiledeggz, I was waiting for you to chime in. I don't want a rep as a "creeper," as so many Asian brothers have because of their desparate, throw-themselves-at-any-guy, intrusive behavior. I would much rather been thought of as unattractive than a creeper.

Edited March 25, 2018 by Drained Empty

[MikeBiDude]

I know your type. You are someone who always has to get the last word in. You are someone who always needs to be right. You take it upon yourself to be judge and jury -- on a board about escorts of all places.

Oh my gosh....you couldn’t be MORE wrong about @bigvalboy! He’s probably one of the most even tempered and open minded posters ever on this forum.

 

I've never heard it at BW, but I've been to Korean spas where I have heard guys say "too many Asians" or "wait for the Asians to leave." (The irony of these statements at these establishments does not escape me.) I have seen guys stay in a steamroom or sauna with all types entering -- young, old, hairy, bald, skinny, obese -- but if you're Asian they will beeline their way out of their before your ass hits the seat. It generally doesn't happen to any other race. Observe for yourself.

I think you really need to get off this self-bashing Asian rant and get some self esteem

[hottk29]

This is getting out of hand, unnecessarily ugly (on one side at least), and wildly off topic. Can we close this thread? It's not productive at all

[+ 7829V]

Please post in English.

Edited March 25, 2018 by Guy Fawkes

[Guy Fawkes]

Flag on play. Thread Locked.