Gay Bachelor RentBoy Racist

[+ Truereview]

A couple of thoughts:

• I rather know limits upfront. For this hobby (bc that's what we are talking about, right?) my time is limited and I see an ad as an opportunity for the escort to express what is the experience they offer, their stats, looks, and their key limitations (i.e.,sexual, gender, racial, safety limitations), I believe escorts have not only the right to state it but the obligation to do so - particularly if they know their limitation(s) is not readily acceptable by the client base that may read their ad. Ultimately, escorts are providing a service
  
• With that said, bc escorts are providing a service, in the US, it is indeed discrimination to limit your service to customers based on race, gender, etc. - at least that's how some clients will see it while others will find the limitation morally reprehensible. The point is that the escort better be ready to withstand the feedback they will get about their limitations. If they are mature enough to escort, they should be mature enough to live with their choices and "preferences." If not, please get out of the kitchen.
  
• I do know what it feels like to be discriminated against for being Latino, gay, ...even short! However, I do think that "no blacks" is charged with even more pain in this country bc of historical events. I cannot even begin to imagine the feelings I would feel if I was a Black/African American client who has to be reminded of racism, even when looking to pay for a good time! It is a painful reminder, yet I think I rather see it upfront than finding out in texts or conversations or at the front door - as some have here.
  

...If someone thinks or acts in a way that I don't approve of I just turn my attention away from them but I can't see any purpose in condemning them.

I do agree that condemning, shaming, making others feel guilty is not productive. However, respectfully confronting and standing for what you believe in (while keeping an open mind) is totally appropriate in my book. I feel like we do more turning away here (in an anonymous forum!) than we really should. I see it almost like a civic duty to confront and be open to the feedback. Why? Bc if you don't say it, someone who is less vocal is likely thinking it but can't or won't articulate it - fear. Expressing what we think can actually be cathartic for the readers...heck, it can possibly change the discourse altogether.

 

by making this a commercial endeavor, they are implicitly holding themselves out as okay with transactional sex. If they are ruling potential clients out on the basis of race or ethnicity, this is shitty behavior as well as racist behavior that also limits their clientele. It's my experience that people who behave shittily in one way are just generally shitty people who are neither trustworthy or fun to be around.

Yes, I agree, and a racist guy/gal can still be escort material bc s/he will have a market of clients who are either turned on, impervious, or too stupid to care about their racist behavior. Sad but true. To me, an escort alone doesn't make himself successful, he only contributes to the success; the market and the demand (clients) are key contributors - regardless of whether the escort is good or bad material for the profession.

 

PS - I forgot to answer @bimbosavant 's question. Although I would be grateful for the racist escort to openly state his racist preferences for clients, his truth in advertising would give me the opportunity to vote with my wallet and keep browsing for someone else.

[+ José Soplanucas]

A racist guy is not escort material because his attitude is a complete "fuck you" to much of humanity on grounds that are intellectually indefensible. Maybe he can get by as a niche player, just as escorts (mostly straight) who call their clients fags and berate them are, but it's my assumption (perhaps not correct) that in case of the domineering straight guy, it's more of an act than a matter of acting on his own belief.

 

Also, I have to think actual racists will have strong sexual preferences along racial lines anyway and unless they can be abusive to the client, would not be interested in seeing one who's outside their racial preferences. For most if not all racists, that would mean seeing white guys only.

 

By making this a commercial endeavor, they are implicitly holding themselves out as okay with transactional sex. If they are ruling potential clients out on the basis of race or ethnicity, this is shitty behavior as well as racist behavior that also limits their clientele. It's my experience that people who behave shittily in one way are just generally shitty people who are neither trustworthy or fun to be around.

 

I am not open-minded toward close-minded assholes.

 

I disagree, QTR. I hate racism but I do not hate racist humans. They are very wrong, but you are also wrong if you think that because they are racist they are not loyal and loving friends, sons, parents, partners, with aspects of their lives that are interesting and appealing, in few words, desirable human beings.

 

You seem to be referring to some kind of charicature of a racist, an ideal and perfect racist archetype. Maybe my experience is different than yours, but life has taught me those archetypes are not so abundant.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Beyond the "preferences" controversy, let's imagine an escort is openly racist. Intellectually disgusting, however I could not care less about an escort's racism. If I find him physically attractive I will talk to him and see if we may click sexually. I am not hiring a friend, I am hiring a lover. Not a lover like in "I love you", but a lover like in "I fuck you".

 

You also have to factor in that for many if not most upwardly mobile starving actors who spend their lives in the gym and wanna be the Next Big Thing, the color they are most into is green.

 

http://str8upgayporn.com/logos-prince-charming-bachelor-robert-sepulveda-jr-is-a-former-rentboy-with-a-giant-uncut-cock/

 

To be totally honest, this article actually does something I find hard to believe: I'm actually rooting for the alleged racist, and against the website trying to tear him down. He has out-hustled everybody, he is now enjoying his 15 minutes of fame, the controversy will probably increase Logo viewership, and we will all watch him spend time cavorting with various hot guys, all of whom will deny that they are in it for the money - as opposed to true love - and some of whom are African American.

 

People who live in whore houses shouldn't throw stones. Sepulveda strikes me as a whore actor who used to be a whore escort who is starring on a whore show on a whore network with a whole bunch of other whores, all of whom are hot as shit as far as the teaser video on that hyperlink shows. Needless to say, I just fucking love it!

 

I'm all for letting whores be whores. What this brings to mind is all the times in my life I was in some sex club and had great sex with some sizzling hot guy. Surely, the odds are that some of them were racists. Honestly, that's not a question I asked before, during, or after we came all over each other.

 

To bring this back from the purity of fresh white sperm, though, it's ironic that in the pursuit of green, Sepulveda will no doubt have to endure public displays of affection with Blacks. Logo apparently did not check with Sepulveda on his racial preferences before casting the show.

 

Again, at the risk of injecting politics, Ronald Reagan comes to mind. He was no hero of the Gay community, but he worshiped at the altar of Hollywood. He also opposed the Briggs Initiative, which would have discriminated against Gay teachers. Did his exposure to closeted Gays in Hollywood have anything to do with his thinking? One can only hope.

 

http://concurringopinions.com/archives/2010/10/ronald-reagan-and-gay-rights.html

 

Change happens in strange ways. The review from a decade ago reprinted on the hyperlink above from this website suggests our Prince Charming has racial preferences. It also suggests he made an attempt to not make it obvious. That insulted the client who wanted to hire him, who by his self description sounded hot. Whatever else we know about Sepulveda, he clearly is now willing to get in bed with Blacks when it comes to fame and fortune.

 

Does that represent progress? Is it like Reagan arguing that homosexuality is not a disease? I'll leave that up to you to decide.

[Guest RexB]

I'm sorry, RexB. To the extent I understand your response, it reads like an apologia. Someone who is not interested in, not attracted to, or sexually turned off by an entire group of people based on skin color or perceived race (because race is a slippery, superficial and fundamentally unscientific concept) may not be consciously racist, but I find it hard to believe that the existence of these "preferences" doesn't have something to do with the widespread negative connotations of and disdain for non-whiteness (or to put it another way, the admiration of whiteness above all else). I have yet to hear of someone ruling out whites as sexual partners.

 

My comment was more general, not really just about racism at all. It's about projecting one's own feeling of guilt onto others and using things like racism, sexism, ageism, etc. as the vehicle. I don't care about anybody else's racism, sexism, ageism, etc. so I don't look for it and try to change it. I only care about what I can change in myself. I have met white guys who are only attracted to brown- or black-skinned men and it doesn't upset me. I could attribute it to "reasons" that I would, in essence, have made up and those reasons would be based on my own thoughts and feelings. Even the reasons they would give for it would be made up by them. The point I'm trying to make is that all I need to investigate is why does what someone else think or feel bother me. If I'm looking for someone to blame for something that is also in myself I will be stuck with it and never be able to let it go or change. That's why I don't see the purpose of determining that someone is a racist, sexist, ageist, etc. unless I'm trying to disown my own part in those phenomena. What is gained by labeling someone as one of those things unless I believe that their condemnation is my salvation?

[+ quoththeraven]

I disagree, QTR. I hate racism but I do not hate racist humans. They are very wrong, but you are also wrong if you think that because they are racist they are not loyal and loving friends, sons, parents, partners, with aspects of their lives that are interesting and appealing, in few words, desirable human beings.

 

You seem to be referring to some kind of charicature of a racist, an ideal and perfect racist archetype. Maybe my experience is different than yours, but life has taught me those archetypes are not so abundant.

 

As someone who is not all-white, a racist is someone who has already concluded that I am somehow inferior. I neither want or need that in my life, and I don't consider that a close-minded response. Rather, it is a response that enhances my well-being.

 

No, this is not an archetype. Hatred is hateful. Just because someone is nice to their family and the people they are close to doesn't mean I will have that experience if they are truly unrepentant racists (as opposed to your garden variety casual or unconscious racists). Nor does avoiding them mean I hate them. I get that they've fallen into a societal trap. But I would not want to be around them.

[rvwnsd]

Just for yucks, I'll ask this question: If a gay escort refuses to see female clients should we not hire him? If a straight male escort does not see male clients should women not hire him?

[+ Truereview]

Just for yucks, I'll ask this question: If a gay escort refuses to see female clients should we not hire him?

I dont and I havent

[+ José Soplanucas]

As someone who is not all-white, a racist is someone who has already concluded that I am somehow inferior. I neither want or need that in my life, and I don't consider that a close-minded response. Rather, it is a response that enhances my well-being.

 

No, this is not an archetype. Hatred is hateful. Just because someone is nice to their family and the people they are close to doesn't mean I will have that experience if they are truly unrepentant racists (as opposed to your garden variety casual or unconscious racists). Nor does avoiding them mean I hate them. I get that they've fallen into a societal trap. But I would not want to be around them.

 

I do not think the situation is applicable to hiring an escort who is racist against your race. Of course that would be ridiculous and unacceptable.

I am not Black and my activism supporting Blacks is known. However, if I find an escort in Rentmen who advertises "NO BLACKS", and I find him attractive, I would potentially hire him. I don't want him to join BLM, I just want to fuck him.

If an escort advertises as "NO LATINOS" of course I would not hire him. First of all because he would not accept me as a client. Secondly because we would not have a good sexual experience together. His opinion about me is completely irrelevant to my self esteem. But I am sure he could be a very successful escort, it would never come to my mind to label him as not escort material.

I do understand your rejection and you refusal to hire racist escorts, that is absolutely your right. There is no right or wrong on hiring or not hiring him/her.

[+ quoththeraven]

My comment was more general, not really just about racism at all. It's about projecting one's own feeling of guilt onto others and using things like racism, sexism, ageism, etc. as the vehicle. I don't care about anybody else's racism, sexism, ageism, etc. so I don't look for it and try to change it. I only care about what I can change in myself. I have met white guys who are only attracted to brown- or black-skinned men and it doesn't upset me. I could attribute it to "reasons" that I would, in essence, have made up and those reasons would be based on my own thoughts and feelings. Even the reasons they would give for it would be made up by them. The point I'm trying to make is that all I need to investigate is why does what someone else think or feel bother me. If I'm looking for someone to blame for something that is also in myself I will be stuck with it and never be able to let it go or change. That's why I don't see the purpose of determining that someone is a racist, sexist, ageist, etc. unless I'm trying to disown my own part in those phenomena. What is gained by labeling someone as one of those things unless I believe that their condemnation is my salvation?

 

As someone who is non-white and female, sometimes I find out someone is racist or sexist because of how they react to me. If I don't otherwise know, it's useful to know so I can protect myself from the fallout (for example, if the person is a co-worker, supervisor or a client), just as women warn others about co-workers who engage in sexual harassment.

 

I am using these terms as statements of fact about attitudes, but they are perceived as such loaded terms (racist especially; men don't seem too bothered about being called sexist) that they are widely viewed as shameful.

 

Just for yucks, I'll ask this question: If a gay escort refuses to see female clients should we not hire him? If a straight male escort does not see male clients should women not hire him?

 

To me, those are distinctions that go hand-in-hand with the category, just as I wouldn't expect men in an all-women's gym or non-Asian food at an Asian food market. Perhaps a more pertinent question would be should gay men hire escorts who openly and sincerely hate and abuse gay men (as opposed to putting on an act) or should women hire escorts who openly and sincerely hate women. While there's probably an audience for both, the existence of such an audience seems to me like a manifestation of self-hatred and internalized homophobia or misogyny, neither of which seems emotionally healthy for either party.

 

(The rest of this is not a response to the above-quoted posts.) IDK, I'm getting the feeling that wanting someone to like all of me is viewed as overly picky or arrogant. *shrugs* Sure, if I were in a position to engage in completely anonymous, no-strings sex (as a woman not on PrEP, that's not practical), I could conceivably fuck a racist who either didn't care or didn't know I'm not all-white, but if I knew beforehand, that would be a turnoff. There are enough other people in the world not to waste my time on someone whose values and priorities are so fundamentally at odds with mine.

[+ glennnn]

Wow! So much deep thought! IMHO, all anyone can do is try to treat every human fairly and equally without considerations of race, beauty, age, sexuality, gender, nationality, economic status, etc, etc., and keep trying when one fails. As an elementary school teacher, I say that no one is born a racist, ageist, sexist, etc., and no one sets out as a child to be an asshole. This is learned behavior. Look around! Society is evolving.

 

Change takes time; we can legislate against political and economic prejudice. However, personal bias, and remember bias is not a bad word, it only indicates personal preferences, is so complicated and basic to "the pursuit of happiness", that it defines who we are. Many Democrats prefer other Democrats; Many Catholics prefer other Catholics; Many males prefer other males.....

I have a bias for penis over vagina. Should I apologize and be ashamed? Should someone " Call me out" for my preference?

 

Personally, I prefer an escort who makes it clear he is not interested in my 73 YO, white self, as one bluntly did recently. I wasn't angry or hurt, I found a wonderful escort who accepted me as I am and gave me an afternoon to remember. As for the blunt escort, his bias towards younger, more handsome clients has nothing to do with me.

 

Yes, we should guard against prejudice in the public realm, but I would rather not force someone to fuck me.

[bimbosavant]

I'm one of the guys who engaged on the earlier thread on Dakota, because I was startled by the blunt way in which he stated "no blacks.' And it did offend me. But to that kid's credit, he weighed in here and tried to articulate a POV that reminds me of Edward's comment above: He just isn't attracted to people who are black. I don't think he had the language skills to explain himself. Then he abruptly disappeared. Hopefully a case of market self-correction where he realized this just isn't the field for him.

 

But for you BimboSavant (great handle btw) that thread generated a lot of response to your question. Here it is:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/411-on-dakota-annapolis-are-these-picts-real.108659/

 

Very very helpful. Thank you.

[+ stevenkesslar]

Then there is this example of an utterly thoughtless racist who deserved to get banned:

 

http://str8upgayporn.com/racist-sea...-coulter-drag-king-being-banned-from-twitter/

 

 

Interesting interview. I'm surprised how articulate he is.

 

Bitchy, queeny, and quick on his feet: a self-described "Gay Jew that never shuts up about his Black boyfriend."

 

Again, sorry Deej, this is somewhere on the border between sexual identity and politics. This thread has had it's run anyway, so maybe now it should get kicked to that section and we can really trash Trump.

[pubic_assistance]

I've seen this conversation wind around in a few different places. I am going to jump in with both feet with MY favorite example....and that is:

I have a buddy who's white. His best friend is black, and his God-son is black, but is not sexually attracted to anything but other white men.

So...the politically correct crowd is going to tell me THAT makes him racist.

Sorry. I am not buying what they're selling.

[Stephan]

He was on Access Hollywood yesterday, and he was not happy about answering questions about nasty condom videos.

[CCMaryland]

He was on Access Hollywood yesterday, and he was not happy about answering questions about nasty condom videos.

Always good to keep your email and password to that account so you can go back and scrub that shit before you become a big-time TEEVEE star.

[eyesopen]

It's about character. Sepulveda fails. Whatever the issue, he just fails. Show an example of speech or behavior that expresses character. Str8/LGBT/Racially Inclusive or otherwise. Self promotion is the goal.

 

Is an escort required to serve everyone who calls? IDK. But neither party should be an asshole, or expect it to work when one behaves like it.

[+ quoththeraven]

Is an escort required to serve everyone who calls? IDK.

 

No, but it should be because of something specific to the potential client that suggests he (or she) is unreasonable, unreliable, flighty, unable to pay or is not a good fit (like someone who wants to be dominated by an escort who's not into that) rather than something as broadstroke (and, sorry, superficial) as skin color, race, ethnicity, age or other group characteristic.

 

It is probably true that lack of interest in whole groups of people based on criteria that have nothing to do with their bodies or physical attractiveness is something that people don't consciously set out to acquire, but throwing up one's hands and saying "I like what I like" is a copout. Otherwise it would be impossible to get over phobias that are way more rational (like fear of flying) than this. Overcoming social conditioning is both possible and helpful.

 

This video seems pertinent:

 

(Btw, I agree with the addendum you added while I was composing this post.)

[eyesopen]

So you mean situational, after face to face (that is by in person or photo/FaceTime-ish). Like that?

[Stephan]

I will take a docile and submissive woman anyday, over loud mouth yanta.

[+ quoththeraven]

So you mean situational, after face to face (that is by in person or photo/FaceTime-ish). Like that?

 

Doesn't have to be face-to-face. Emails, phone calls and even texts can disclose disqualifying information or character flaws. (Drug use/PNP is another example.) But at least make those decisions based on the content of the person's character and how well his desires and interests of align with the escort's, not the color of his skin.

[tennisjock]

I am not racist. I do however find I am only sexually attracted to certain men of various races and color. If I am not sexually attracted to them I cannot perform period.

[CatnameFelix]

Racial preferences do seem racist to me because to have them means that you believe that all people from that race look alike. Race is not always as clear cut. When you say no Asian are you including parts of Russia, where people have very Asian facial structures? Are do they get a pass because they're, "not really Asian." When you say you are attracted to Latino men, but not Black guys, Where do Dominican men and Brazilian men fall? When you say no Black guys, what turns you off, the features or the skin color? Where do mix guys fall?

 

If you are against Blacks would you hire a mixed guy like Corbin Colby?

 

or Sleep with a guy like this British model?

[CatnameFelix]

Racial preferences do seem racist to me because to have them means that you believe that all people from that race look alike. Race is not always as clear cut. When you say no Asian are you including parts of Russia, where people have very Asian facial structures? Are do they get a pass because they're, "not really Asian." When you say you are attracted to Latino men, but not Black guys, Where do Dominican men and Brazilian men fall? When you say no Black guys, what turns you off, the features or the skin color? Where do mix guys fall?

 

If you are against Blacks would you hire a mixed guy like Corbin Colby?

 

or Sleep with a guy like this British model?

Two wild cards for the guys not attracted to Black guys.

 

Wentworth Miller

http://67.media.tumblr.com/2357f4508c673d6b21d8f4f2b64805e6/tumblr_inline_oc0yziaihp1qbwu2w_500.png

and Kris Humphries

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1083626/images/o-KRIS-HUMPHRIES-SUED-facebook.jpg

 

Are you attracted to them? Does finding out that they're part Black change that? All of a sudden are you noticing traits in they facial structures you hadn't before?

[+ quoththeraven]

Two wild cards for the guys not attracted to Black guys.

 

Wentworth Miller

http://67.media.tumblr.com/2357f4508c673d6b21d8f4f2b64805e6/tumblr_inline_oc0yziaihp1qbwu2w_500.png

and Kris Humphries

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1083626/images/o-KRIS-HUMPHRIES-SUED-facebook.jpg

 

Are you attracted to them? Does finding out that they're part Black change that? All of a sudden are you noticing traits in they facial structures you hadn't before?

 

Which goes to show what a crock race is as a category to begin with.

[tennisjock]

Went worth Miller...what a perfect specimen of a man..reminds me of the early Brando types from the movies in the 50s and 60s. , speak rarely and yield a big stick