SeanCody.com - changes

[seeker630]

I subscribed to SeanCody.com early in the year for one month and found the video clips hot. Recently I decided to subscribe again but according to the site, now you can only view the clips you download as long as you have a current subscription to the site. So, if I'm reading correctly, once your subscription lapses, you won't be able to play any clips you've saved on your hard drive.

 

Has anyone subscribed and and/or quit recently? Can you verify this?

[Scorpio]

I have been a member for about a year. I have noticed that any clips that I have downloaded since the format changed about a month or so ago will not play unless I am signed into my account. I tried to watch a few clips on my laptop while traveling over the Thanksgiving holiday when I didn't have Internet access and the clips did not work.

[seeker630]

Scorpio,

Thanks for the confirmation. Since I work in the the information field, I'm familiar with digital rights management and I suppose this move to a 'lease vs purchase' model doesn't totally surprise me, but it's a big disappointment and will probably keep me from subscribing again. Once you've worked through the archive, it's not worth $30/month for 2 new clips, IMHO.

[jackhammer91406]

I recently re-upped after a year lapse just to update my Sean folder and found the new license software.

The good news is that all of the old clips that I have downloaded still work without the license. The old system of downloads implied the right to reuse in perpetuity which of course I liked much better. But hey, the guy has to make a living and he does get some really hot guys to work for him.

[seeker630]

I agree - previously he was rather unique in acknowledging that peopel *would* download & keep clips.

 

As to whether or not this new business model will increase his business - that remains to be seen. I doubt that it will make much difference. I suspect it will deter repeat clients, but maybe it won't make much difference. I notice that the price *does drop after 3 months - but not enough to make it worhtwhile for those of us who have worked through the older material.

[jack]

Interesting. I never download anything. Once I've seen it, I don't go back. I never watch a movie twice.

 

Early last year I switched from Sean Cody to Corbin Fisher. Lots of good hot, sone-of-the-best male sex on the planet at both sites. At Fisher's J.V., a red haired kid pushes my buttons. But I've never downloaded or played back his clips. I think when it comes to male love, I have a photographic mind.

 

Since my membership at Corbin Fisher ran out, I see J.V. with his slendor body, tight rear cheeks, and slamming long hard cock, (the kid really really knows how to fuck, Trust Me) has appeared a couple more times with a couple lucky partners. After the first of the year, (gets me hard just thinking about it), I'll re-up for a few more months.

 

The new data hold on membership login to watch down loads makes sense to me from a democratic economic point of view. Owners who produce such attractive things for us that enhance our lives that we enjoy are entitled to retain control over their products sparing a "purchase" plan that would transfere ownership to users for a fee. We want these entrepeneurs to make money. The hard working, best managed sites will do that. The Owners deserve to be successfull. Amen.;-)

[seeker630]

Again, I agree with his right to use a pricing model he feels benefits him, and my right to accept or reject it.

 

I would prefer a system that allows only the original subscriber to view the clip at any time - regardless of having a current account OR a live internet connection.

 

Some of us are (compulsive?) collectors. I rmemeber an earlier thread here about the number of pix people have collected on their hard drive. I'm guessing your pic count is low.

 

Thnaks for the tip on Corbin FIsher - I'll have to check it out as a possible alternative. Are downloads permitted there? I don't see any Terms & Conditions of Use.

[Spida]

I agree I will be checking out Corbin Fisher also, and of course he can do whatever he wants but it ain't worth it to me either. I have cancelled and let him know why. I totally understand why he does it but, I totally don't like it personally so as a consumer I can opt not to purchase his product. And for me it ain't even a monthly sub it is being able to watch offline and not any hassles recently I tried to watch a movie before I cancelled and go error messages and had to have my login reset.

 

Thanks for the tips on the other sites..

[+ deej]

Expect DRM to get more stringent across the web rather than less. Content providers are trying to protect their proprietary content and keep it off usenet groups and websites. (Like the pictures you'll sometimes see right here!)

 

I'd rather see them implementing DRM than suing individual posters (which IS happening -- the RIAA isn't the only one going after file sharers).

 

It's unfortunate that some implementations will be inconvenient for you, and you're right to vote with your wallet. I've seen other implementations where you can watch downloaded content for a specified amount of time, rather than being logged in and I think that's a far more workable scheme.

 

But expect more of it before you'll see less. <sigh>

[Guest ncm2169]

< I've seen other implementations where you can watch downloaded content for a specified amount of time, rather than being logged in and I think that's a far more workable scheme.

 

Isn't that essentially the same thing? Unless I misunderstand what you're talking about, either way you can only view the content so long as you're a paid subscriber. Am I missing something?

[+ deej]

>Isn't that essentially the same thing? Unless I misunderstand

>what you're talking about, either way you can only view the

>content so long as you're a paid subscriber. Am I missing

>something?

 

We're talking about online content, not physical media (VHS or DVD) that you've purchased and taken home in a plain brown paper bag. (That's going to disappear soon enough.)

 

You're not purchasing media. You're purchasing viewing rights, and the seller has every right to limit those rights, or set time limits. If you want more, buy more. (If they're smart, they'll have an unlimited option which will of course cost more.)

 

The choice is with the consumer, of course. If you don't like the terms of purchase, don't purchase. The industry will adapt accordingly. <shrug>

[BewareofNick]

Sean Cody has a great site, but think about all the SC fans that are out there that have never contirbuted a dime to his site. Then imagine how much more money he'd have if they had. Much of Sean's stuff is available through file sharing apps such as KaZaa and BearShare. The only way he can survive is to limit the availability of his movies to his site. And like deej says, vote with your wallet. We could put Wal-mart out of business if we really wanted to.

[BuckyXTC]

Don't make the mistake I did and go to the Corbin Fisher site, taking the tour, deciding to subscribe, only to find out that the site is not "Mac Compatible". What a bummer! Just when I was looking forward to getting the goodies, the rug gets jerked out from under me!x(

[seeker630]

Does anyone know if Corbin Fisher is also using DRM software that prevents you from downloading clips for re-play after your subscription expires?

[Guest ncm2169]

< J.V., a red haired kid pushes my buttons.

 

At CorbinFisher? The only redhead I see there is a very well hung guy named "AJ." He's also done work for Citiboyz under a different name.

 

FYI, I agree about SeanCody's hot guys, but one new vid a week is just too infrequent to justify a regular membership, IMHO. CorbinFisher gives you two new vids a week, with one always an action one. }(

[Ventrue]

As for DRM being a resounding success and being adopted by all porn sites, not so fast. FastTimesAtNAU.com recently dumped DRM account too many complaints. Regardless of your motivation, if you make changes to your product that produces ten times or a hundred times more customer service correspondence the cost and effort to merely respond to it would be overwhelming, let alone actually helping members and potential members with their questions, issues and complaints. Sean Cody and others do have the right to change their product to a lease arrangement, clearly. I also have the right to be irritated when my porn account gets devalued.

 

For clarification, any older Sean Cody mpeg files downloaded from his site or from P2P will continue to work as they have nothing to do with MS DRM. DRM uses windows media files, not mpeg's. From my spot check on Sean Cody he has replaced all the mpegs with DRM protected .wmv files. I'm glad that I downloaded his entire site in mpeg format before his unannounced swap to DRM. My loss will only be his more recent updates if I chose to cancel my account rather than my whole collection.

 

I just joined Corbin Fisher and his entire site is in MS DRM .wmv protected format.

 

Its rumoured that Sean Cody sold his site. Perhaps the new owners footed the cash for DRM as I'd expect it to be VERY expensive to implement.

[Guest enufalready]

>The new data hold on membership login to watch down loads

>makes sense to me from a democratic economic point of view.

>Owners who produce such attractive things for us that enhance

>our lives that we enjoy are entitled to retain control over

>their products sparing a "purchase" plan that would transfere

>ownership to users for a fee. We want these entrepeneurs to

>make money. The hard working, best managed sites will do

>that. The Owners deserve to be successfull. Amen.;-)

 

I must respectfully disagree. SeanCody claims to be SELLING his clips to his members. If they can be viewed only so long as membership is maintained they are not purchased, the are rented, or leased.

 

I certainly agree that he has a right to earn a living. However, there is a huge difference between owning and renting, and the advertising for the site makes no mention of such restricitions.

 

He does talk about DRM (Digitial Rights Management). But what I got from his explanation was that I would receive a license from Microsoft, which would allow me to play the downloads on my computer. No mention is made of having to maintain membership to continue viewing.

 

If I have paid for something I believe I have the right to do whatever I wish with it. The only restriction, already codified in law, is that I may not resell, or alter and sell his product, or otherwise earn money from his product. But if I own it I should be able to view it forever. I should be able to edit it, convert it, do whatever I wish with it for my own entertainment.

 

And if I am not going to be the owner, that should be clearly spelled out. At present it is not. And I would bet that if these restrictions were prominently displayed he would get zero subscriptions.