Craigslist clients are they low end? Or am I better off with another site

[LivingnLA]

Beyond the titillation-motivated curiosity about who you're referring to (Geffen? Thiel? PM me please? ), I'm more substantively curious about why this guy 'resorts' to CL and am sure I'm not alone in expressing appreciation in advance if you could ask him if it feels organic to do so and share word here (of course, without compromising anything about his identity).

IF we can agree for the sake of discussion that there are generally more lower-cost escorts on CL and this guy is indeed a billionaire, cost wouldn't explain his choice. What qualities is he seeking that he thinks he'll have a greater chance of finding on CL versus a "professional" site? Greater discretion from someone who, no dis intended, perhaps due to inexperience doesn't even know who he is? But then, he's apparently shared his identity with you (to the extent you didn't know who he was on sight).

 

Perhaps I'm already overanalyzing and he was just coked up one night and stumbled upon pictures he liked. But that is interesting (to me, at least) nonetheless. IMO CL in L.A. has become a real sh*t show of pathology, perennial overposters and clueless 22 year olds (not to mention a seeming haven for really crass, 1950s era ways of expressing skin color 'preference' regarding who one is looking to meet).

 

I'd speculate about kinks, scenes, and other motivations to use CL. Those who like "rough trade" or "thrill of the hunt" are two easy examples. There are many others, but I know you know all this already.

[marylander1940]

So I've been doing escort work for about 6 months. I was surprised at how much I was able to make so fast anyways between balancing my regular life and escort work on the side I was able to average 3-4 k a month off only using craigslist but I've had to advertise and message people constantly to get there. Lately this past month I haven't made much seems like there aren't much new clients to talk to on craigslist anymore the ones I have either have been running out of funds, stopped talking to me, or have inconsistent schedules. It's becoming harder for me to advertise and I've found myself having to lower my rate to make something still. Do you think rentmen would be a site where I could find better clients? I've stuck to craigslist because for awhile it was consistent and I've shyed away from sites like rentmen because I felt like more law enforcement would linger around in such types of sites. If anyone has experience with this please let me know I don't want to waste 30 something dollars on a membership if rentment isn't effective for most people. I also am better looking then most people so that's not the problem. I'm in the Los Angeles area so I don't live in a place like Montana or something like that. I'm great at talking to people and polite or mean if they want a dom I also never rush clients or cut time short and often find myself throwing in more time then an hour to get more repeats. Any advice would be greatly appreciated thanks.

 

yes, they're bottom feeders!

 

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[+ azdr0710]

unfortunately, the OP, @Kentroberts1981 hasn't been seen 'round these parts since early July.....I hope he's doing ok.....

 

otherwise, the CL-bashing may continue....everybody has an opinion

[+ muscleboyinsd]

I think it used to be easier to find boys on CL a few years ago... I'm in San Diego. And over the years, I've found many young hot locals for massage and sex. But I tend to go for the newbies / amateurs. I've had many great times and have had many that I saw regularly.

 

A few years ago, all those CL posts were being flagged very aggressively by some troll, and it's never been the same since. I don't see many escort or massage posts on CL anymore. And it seems like the few that are there are just posted many many times. Or there are posts with no pics at all, which is strange to me.

[+ BigRic]

A few years ago, all those CL posts were being flagged very aggressively by some troll, and it's never been the same since. I don't see many escort or massage posts on CL anymore. And it seems like the few that are there are just posted many many times. Or there are posts with no pics at all, which is strange to me.

 

On the one hand, I'm reluctant to argue with your first-hand account of experience there in SD. But, on the other, I think it's a stretch to attribute the broader sea change to even aggressive flagging by supposedly one person. It takes many people flagging a CL ad to have it disappear. I think it's likely more accurate to say that, at the same time, the technocultural shift away from CL/e-mail and towards Grindr/Tinder/"swipe right" is the real "culprit."

[+ muscleboyinsd]

I can't even figure out how to find the boys looking for "generous" men on craiglist anymore. I think all the old keywords - "roses" etc. get flagged. So I couldn't find an escort ad on craigslist unless I just read through all the ads.

[gallahadesquire]

Oh! A Lawyer!

 

yes, they're bottom feeders!

 

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[TopTierTop]

Hey Kent.

 

So glad to hear that your first months went well. Escorting, however, is more like a marathon than a sprint, so you are finally getting into the make or break stage of your escorting career. Newness has wore off, things are slowly normalizing and it is not that you are expected to make lasting changes to the way you make business.

 

Escorting, just like every other business needs that you invest money. The more money you invest wisely, the greater your return. Normally this investments for an escort look like this:

 

Gym membership fees, correct diet, fitness classes, maybe a trainer. (Can be a huge investment but this will pay off more than anything else)

 

A clean, well located place to conduct business.

 

Professional pictures. Your images (as well as your write up) are your business card to the world. A mix of professional and casual pictures will make your product look rounded and approachable. The better your product presents, the more you can charge.

 

Down the road, an investment many escorts chose to make is to quit any menial job that might be hindering their ability to take more appointments.

 

Your personal presentation. Your skin, your hair, your clothes. This counts.

 

Lastly, but definitely not least, the most important investment an escort can make is in publicity. Ads, personal websites, social media if you decide this is within your business plan, business cards, ads in magazines, you name it. Normally this is the investment that will make a difference between a thriving business and a dying one.

 

Don't go for the basic membership. In Los Angeles there are 300 escorts. No horny man will browse 300 ads. The first ten that appear will take the appointment. Only picture collectors and sketchy people will make it to the end. If you are already making more than 2 grand, then I strongly recommend you bite the bullet and pay for a platinum ad. Populate it with an intelligent ad copy that presents you in your best possible light and upload a minimum of ten amazing pictures. You will thank me. You will see the results right away.

 

Two more things:

 

For whatever reason you are not making your clients return. This is bad. Even in such a big market as LA you will make your most money from returning clients. Either you are holding back, you are not fulfilling people's expectations, you are promising more than you are giving... It might be something as simple as your incall location. Find out what's going on and change it. Being beautiful alone doesn't cut it, specially in LA. You have to be beautiful and the experience of being with you has to be beautiful. You have to send them off with a huge smile and wanting more. I am sure if you pay attention you will find out what to tweak.

 

Lastly, do not -for any reason in the world- lower your rates. Lowering your rates out of fear sends one message to your clients: "I was not worth what I was charging, I am not doing well, you can negotiate me down whenever you want." This is a slippery slope and it's an all too common mistake escorts make when trying to establish their brand. Once you are that desperate kid, you are fucked. Even when things are not as buoyant as you want them to be, you must project a successful, relaxed, confident appearance. This itself, will move people to hire you instead of the others.

 

Study your market. Decide on your rate. Stick to it. Sometimes calls will be fewer, but soon enough when words spreads that you are a great guy, worth every penny and super successful you will find that you can choose what clients to take and how much you want to work.

 

I am sure you have it in you. Make them smile.

 

Go get'em, tiger!

Agree with everything you say here and think it is very well said. Very good advice.

[JTtorretto]

Beyond the titillation-motivated curiosity about who you're referring to (Geffen? Thiel? PM me please? ), I'm more substantively curious about why this guy 'resorts' to CL. Greater discretion from someone who, no dis intended, perhaps due to inexperience doesn't even know who he is.

 

I think this was an important factor in why he chose to do his escort shopping on CL; the likelihood that he'd be able to find a part-timer / "non-professional" who didn't know who he was since he's basically a business man, albeit an extremely important & wealthy one, but not a household name "movie star" type of celebrity. [However, I enjoy reading The NY Times, Wall Street Journal amongst other business and media periodicals so I knew exactly who he was].

[MrMattBig]

I think this was an important factor in why he chose to do his escort shopping on CL; the likelihood that he'd be able to find a part-timer / "non-professional" who didn't know who he was since he's basically a business man, albeit an extremely important & wealthy one, but not a household name "movie star" type of celebrity. [However, I enjoy reading The NY Times, Wall Street Journal amongst other business and media periodicals so I knew exactly who he was].

 

I agree that he was looking for the non-profesional/not full-time angle more than anything. Most full time escorts try to screen the client or require screening information. I, myself use apps such as True Caller and good ol' Facebook. The billionaire client probably was more afraid of personal information being used to blackmail him. It is sad that some people actually choose to be an escort just to extort money from others. It is similarly bothersome to me that most clients assume extortion when asked to go through any screening. Speaking from personal experience, this practice is used to try to gauge how serious about meeting the client is, and if they have any stalker or homophobic tendencies. Sometimes amazing experiences are never realized because of misplaced paranoia.

[Spencer L]

Hey Kent.

 

So glad to hear that your first months went well. Escorting, however, is more like a marathon than a sprint, so you are finally getting into the make or break stage of your escorting career. Newness has wore off, things are slowly normalizing and it is not that you are expected to make lasting changes to the way you make business.

 

Escorting, just like every other business needs that you invest money. The more money you invest wisely, the greater your return. Normally this investments for an escort look like this:

 

Gym membership fees, correct diet, fitness classes, maybe a trainer. (Can be a huge investment but this will pay off more than anything else)

 

A clean, well located place to conduct business.

 

Professional pictures. Your images (as well as your write up) are your business card to the world. A mix of professional and casual pictures will make your product look rounded and approachable. The better your product presents, the more you can charge.

 

Down the road, an investment many escorts chose to make is to quit any menial job that might be hindering their ability to take more appointments.

 

Your personal presentation. Your skin, your hair, your clothes. This counts.

 

Lastly, but definitely not least, the most important investment an escort can make is in publicity. Ads, personal websites, social media if you decide this is within your business plan, business cards, ads in magazines, you name it. Normally this is the investment that will make a difference between a thriving business and a dying one.

 

Don't go for the basic membership. In Los Angeles there are 300 escorts. No horny man will browse 300 ads. The first ten that appear will take the appointment. Only picture collectors and sketchy people will make it to the end. If you are already making more than 2 grand, then I strongly recommend you bite the bullet and pay for a platinum ad. Populate it with an intelligent ad copy that presents you in your best possible light and upload a minimum of ten amazing pictures. You will thank me. You will see the results right away.

 

Two more things:

 

For whatever reason you are not making your clients return. This is bad. Even in such a big market as LA you will make your most money from returning clients. Either you are holding back, you are not fulfilling people's expectations, you are promising more than you are giving... It might be something as simple as your incall location. Find out what's going on and change it. Being beautiful alone doesn't cut it, specially in LA. You have to be beautiful and the experience of being with you has to be beautiful. You have to send them off with a huge smile and wanting more. I am sure if you pay attention you will find out what to tweak.

 

Lastly, do not -for any reason in the world- lower your rates. Lowering your rates out of fear sends one message to your clients: "I was not worth what I was charging, I am not doing well, you can negotiate me down whenever you want." This is a slippery slope and it's an all too common mistake escorts make when trying to establish their brand. Once you are that desperate kid, you are fucked. Even when things are not as buoyant as you want them to be, you must project a successful, relaxed, confident appearance. This itself, will move people to hire you instead of the others.

 

Study your market. Decide on your rate. Stick to it. Sometimes calls will be fewer, but soon enough when words spreads that you are a great guy, worth every penny and super successful you will find that you can choose what clients to take and how much you want to work.

 

I am sure you have it in you. Make them smile.

 

Go get'em, tiger!

 

Great article, thank you so much!

[+ kontor1]

Using Craigslist (for the past few years) have been so dangerous to use (for both client and escort) that I see no point of doing it. It does not necessarily mean that the client / escort is "low-end" and yes, sure, you can get lucky and find gems every once in a while, but why risk all those bad things that may happen to you?!

 

I am sure that you may run into good sessions but all it takes is one bad experience... and as far as I am concerned, things can go really bad in so many ways on that site that I personally don't find it justified to risk it. You do your own due diligence in all cases and make a decision at the end of the day to see what's worth it and what isn't, but I personally would not indulge on CL posting / hiring. My 2 cents...

[+ kontor1]

I agree that he was looking for the non-profesional/not full-time angle more than anything. Most full time escorts try to screen the client or require screening information. I, myself use apps such as True Caller and good ol' Facebook. The billionaire client probably was more afraid of personal information being used to blackmail him. It is sad that some people actually choose to be an escort just to extort money from others. It is similarly bothersome to me that most clients assume extortion when asked to go through any screening. Speaking from personal experience, this practice is used to try to gauge how serious about meeting the client is, and if they have any stalker or homophobic tendencies. Sometimes amazing experiences are never realized because of misplaced paranoia.

There are multiple ways to get around to this. Let's start with the fact that the vast majority of "billionaires" - as you put it - are smart people. Now, I personally have never met a billionaire, only "millionaires" but then again, I can't know with 100% certainty. These people are first of all extremely savvy about whom they hire and they usually choose reputable people in the industry (thus eliminating a lot of potential headaches that can come with hiring companions). They are clearly aware of what they are risking and don't try to impress anyone. Especially being exposed to people from all walks of life here in Vegas, the whales (gamblers that spends millions of dollars each trip here) are the people you would not assume that have much (if any) money. They generally don't act like it and you would never know who they are... Come to Vegas and just walk into a $5,000/hand BlackJack room and see how those people look like. You maybe in for a surprise.

 

Based on that premise, most of these guys act low-key and when they meet you, it is generally at a high-end hotel but at a standard room for the first meeting or until they get extremely comfortable with you (while they most likely have a villa for themselves there too). They don't share much (if any) information with you about their financials. In many instances, they don't even do their own interaction with you initially, they have people to do this for them. If they are not afraid to be exposed (e.g.: openly gay), then that's another story. Still, in my opinion, you will never know if you ever encounter someone with wealth beyond your imagination as they keep quiet about it. But honestly, even if they are actually rich and famous, would you recognize the CEO of Hotels.com? See what I mean?

 

... or just keep it simple and the billionaire's assistant gets in touch with you and have his assistant's buddy set up the meeting and verification who gets a C-note for his assistance. You would meet the billionaire but it was someone else that verified himself. Again, you would never know and there are so many ways to circumvent scenarios - on the client side - mentioned above.

 

These are just my "out-loud thinking" based on my experience.

[MrMattBig]

There are multiple ways to get around to this. Let's start with the fact that the vast majority of "billionaires" - as you put it - are smart people. Now, I personally have never met a billionaire, only "millionaires" but then again, I can't know with 100% certainty. These people are first of all extremely savvy about whom they hire and they usually choose reputable people in the industry (thus eliminating a lot of potential headaches that can come with hiring companions). They are clearly aware of what they are risking and don't try to impress anyone. Especially being exposed to people from all walks of life here in Vegas, the whales (gamblers that spends millions of dollars each trip here) are the people you would not assume that have much (if any) money. They generally don't act like it and you would never know who they are... Come to Vegas and just walk into a $5,000/hand BlackJack room and see how those people look like. You maybe in for a surprise.

 

Based on that premise, most of these guys act low-key and when they meet you, it is generally at a high-end hotel but at a standard room for the first meeting or until they get extremely comfortable with you (while they most likely have a villa for themselves there too). They don't share much (if any) information with you about their financials. In many instances, they don't even do their own interaction with you initially, they have people to do this for them. If they are not afraid to be exposed (e.g.: openly gay), then that's another story. Still, in my opinion, you will never know if you ever encounter someone with wealth beyond your imagination as they keep quiet about it. But honestly, even if they are actually rich and famous, would you recognize the CEO of Hotels.com? See what I mean?

 

... or just keep it simple and the billionaire's assistant gets in touch with you and have his assistant's buddy set up the meeting and verification who gets a C-note for his assistance. You would meet the billionaire but it was someone else that verified himself. Again, you would never know and there are so many ways to circumvent scenarios - on the client side - mentioned above.

 

These are just my "out-loud thinking" based on my experience.

 

Your are right about there being different levels and methods of interaction and screening from a client's point of view. All of what you mentioned is not limited to millionaires and billionaires however. I do agree that Craigslist is a lost cause for both clients and escorts for the most part. It's primary function and benefit is to be a platform for the "non-profesional"-both clients and escorts. As far as a billionaire meeting someone who is reputable and in a regular hotel, I can attest to that that that is not always the case. I have meet with a billionaire CEO once, and they used a phone number that tied back to them personally, and chose me because they were in the mood, and simply couldn't pass up the unique factor that I portray through my website, and had me meet them at their own residence that they had in Los Angeles. The fact that clients are weary of revealing personal information extends to all wealth categories. I agree the wealthy people tend to be intelligent. I disagree that that intelligence leads them to make "smart"-or in other words safe- choices. Rather, I like to believe that intelligent people use all the information available to them to then critically think about a situation or choice, and proceed appropriately based off of their analysis.

After all, a wise person once said an examined life is one not worth living. It is far better to think about and question each situation than to just simply follow protocols so blindly.

[+ kontor1]

Your are right about there being different levels and methods of interaction and screening from a client's point of view. All of what you mentioned is not limited to millionaires and billionaires however. I do agree that Craigslist is a lost cause for both clients and escorts for the most part. It's primary function and benefit is to be a platform for the "non-profesional"-both clients and escorts. As far as a billionaire meeting someone who is reputable and in a regular hotel, I can attest to that that that is not always the case. I have meet with a billionaire CEO once, and they used a phone number that tied back to them personally, and chose me because they were in the mood, and simply couldn't pass up the unique factor that I portray through my website, and had me meet them at their own residence that they had in Los Angeles. The fact that clients are weary of revealing personal information extends to all wealth categories. I agree the wealthy people tend to be intelligent. I disagree that that intelligence leads them to make "smart"-or in other words safe- choices. Rather, I like to believe that intelligent people use all the information available to them to then critically think about a situation or choice, and proceed appropriately based off of their analysis.

After all, a wise person once said an examined life is one not worth living. It is far better to think about and question each situation than to just simply follow protocols so blindly.

I must agree with the majority of your post. As I stated earlier, my writing is based on my experience for the most part and I guess at this point must assume that I have met the more "cautious" types and my statements were based off on those meetings. Everyone has a different level of comfort when interacting with a paid companion from the "get-go" and everyone is different and your testament is a proof for that. I like your style of writing

[Hen]

I'm not lucky enough to live in a area with a lot of choices, so I have used CL with good success. Mostly curious straight guys, which doesn't bother me

[NJmusclelover]

Hey there I can relate. I use craigslist on a constant basis and I've noticed over the period of time that business has declined for me. But I have met people there its just much harder to find someone legit. With the number of pic collectors and flakes you have to constantly posts ad to find someone. Sometimes I feel like there will be a day where there will be no more clients for me

 

But since you said craigslist is inconsistent you should definitely try rentmen. Since its a different website you will get new clients there. Try it for 1 month see how it goes then decide whether its worth the monthly cost.

I never go on Craigslist anymore

Rentmen is the site of choice for me

[NJmusclelover]

I never go on Craigslist anymore

Rentmen is the site of choice for me

Also this site I think is great to advertise on

[Milo Farnsworth]

How does one *find* an escort on Craigslist let alone advertise for one??

[marylander1940]

I'm not lucky enough to live in a area with a lot of choices, so I have used CL with good success. Mostly curious straight guys, which doesn't bother me

 

I guess you'd rather not tell us where you live, rural area of Middle America I guess. I guarantee you using craigslist in any big or medium city where you have other legitimate sources for escorts is a bad thing and sooner or later you'll get mugged.

[MikeBiDude]

How does one *find* an escort on Craigslist let alone advertise for one??

Finding one: put an age range in the filters, then search "gen" , "help", "rent", "massage"

Advert for you, subject of posting like "GenTleman for younger friend", "Mentor seeks younger", etc.

[Milo Farnsworth]

Finding one: put an age range in the filters, then search "gen" , "help", "rent", "massage"

Advert for you, subject of posting like "GenTleman for younger friend", "Mentor seeks younger", etc.

Thanks Mike!

[MiamiLooker]

Thanks Mike!

Also, if you see a post you like, just ask if they play4pay.

[MikeBiDude]

craigslist for an escort is tough, you gotta post a tons of ads to find someone serious in hiring. Also another problem is they take down your ad if you post anything about paying for play, even if you use synonyms it seems they still remove your ad fast. Sometimes they do stay on, its all about luck and when they do you get lots of emails at first. But 75 percent is those just playing games, 20 percent is interested but on the fence, and 5 percent is legit about meeting soon. You just have to have patience, also since its "craigslist" and not rentmen you will find many people can't afford rentmen prices, so you have to dig far and deep to find someone who will pay your usual rate

Similar to what @marylander1940 suggested above, that might depend on the market. [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER] you are working one of the 2-3 most robust escorts markets nationwide....CL would be a distant advertising choice for you or a pro here in SoCal.

[MikeBiDude]

It works you just have to keep posting a million ads, Its funny sometimes I feel like its an actual job by all the posting, makes me feel like I'm at the office doing secretary work . I do notice however those on craigslist have a very high percentage of seeing you again versus rentmen. At this point I have a bunch of regulars who call me every week or so, so I don't really have to post as much as I do, but as you know regulars don't last forever so you gotta keep replacing those who get off your island

Ironically a couple of my longest running regulars (including one that turned into longer term relationship) were from CL. Not recently though....