AN UNFORTUNATE PRACTICE BY AN ESCORT

[+ glennnn]

I agree that the squabbles need to take place in the reviews. But how does an escort defend himself against a slanderous review without bringing it to the forum? Ah! He takes it to Daddy, right?

[bigvalboy]

I agree that the squabbles need to take place in the reviews. But how does an escort defend himself against a slanderous review without bringing it to the forum? Ah! He takes it to Daddy, right?

 

Correct...I believe the protocol is that 'Daddy' allows the escort to respond to negative reviews. The response is then posted along with the review.

[Guy Fawkes]

Per the DaddysReviews FAQ: http://daddysreviews.com/faq/escort

How do I respond to a negative review?

Simply email

[email protected]

Make sure your name/city are the FIRST THING in the subject line of your email. You have the last word. The reviewer will not be able to respond.

 

My standard advise is: "Use a lot of respect and bit of humor. Don't under-estimate the power of a response because it allows clients to see how you deal with a problem.

 

I agree that the squabbles need to take place in the reviews. But how does an escort defend himself against a slanderous review without bringing it to the forum? Ah! He takes it to Daddy, right?

[+ stevenkesslar]

Well said, and how do I not "like" this. OK...I smell money, so next time you're in FTL, you're buying me dinner.

 

I'll gladly buy you dinner, a drink, or more.

 

As long as you don't mind being seeing in public with a tired old whore like me.

 

http://66.media.tumblr.com/a22e30763a8b99a35bb6160227912fe3/tumblr_inline_n8rzdnAELV1qz7j5g.gif

 

By the way I sent you a PM. I think you block most PMs so I piggybacked an old one you started. Let me know if you did not get my message.

[bigvalboy]

I'll gladly buy you dinner, a drink, or more. As long as you don't mind being seeing in public with a tired old whore like me.

By the way I sent you a PM. I think you block most PMs so I piggybacked an old one you started. .

 

LMAO..Ok that's a glitch in the software. You found a way to sneak through. LOL.I'll have Daddy look into that. I got the PM, but I've got company over and we've had a couple of cocktails and we're heading out. Catch you on the 'flip flop'...Promise. Luv ya!!

[+ stevenkesslar]

How can the formal review process be this broken?

 

I know I'm in VD mode (verbal diarrhea) but:

 

I don't think anyone is saying the review process is broken, and I think debating that just takes us into a dead end discussion.

 

Can I reframe the question based on what I think has been a useful discussion? Here are two related questions I'd like to see discussed more:

 

What negative information about specific escorts, identified by name, is appropriate to share in this forum? And are private bullying and threats appropriate to call out in public, by name?

This thread has become a hybrid of several different threads making allegations against possibly at least 3 unnamed escorts. In only one thread - this one - do the allegations have anything to do with reviews that have actually been written. I think this summarizes the 3 allegations:

 

1. An escort who is "gorgeous" with a "great body and cock" who "always delivers the goods" is alleged to have asked at least 12 clients to write reviews, tell them what to say, and badger them to do it daily. To the extent that a "threat" was made, it is that the escort will not offer himself to be hired again unless the client consents to his requests.

 

2. An escort who a client had an "okay" time with and tipped asked him to write a review. When the client refused the escort is alleged to have made a "threat" by bringing up personal information about the client, his partner, and his job and saying he could "get really nasty."

 

3. An escort with "all perfect reviews" is alleged to have drugged and "robbed" the client by stealing his phone. The escort demanded the client pay additional money for spending hours unconscious with the escort, and the client appears to still be worried about the possible transmission of STDs. The client did not write a review but wishes that he had been able to read information in reviews or elsewhere that alerted him to this kind of behavior.

 

One easy answer to the questions above, to slightly oversimplify it, is this: none. Absolutely no negative information should be shared. It is gossip. Either write it in a review and document it, or shut up.

 

This is a good answer. Let me summarize a perspective built over 15 years by my experience which I think is generally shared by a whole bunch of very good escorts I've known. We don't want our shit aired publicly - even if it's undeniably true, and certainly if it's somebody's opinion or not true. We usually avoid airing shit about our clients because we tend to think anything negative we say about clients will make us look petty or mean. The huge incentive on both sides is this: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything it all. And if you truly have something to say, have some balls and say it in a review, and document it. I think most escorts know perfectly well that you have to fuck up pretty bad in most cases for a client to actually do that.

 

The issue about asking clients to write reviews is a tempest in a teapot. I know escorts who view it this way: compliments only have meaning if you don't ask for them. Another view, which I share, is this is not about that type of personal etiquette. Escorts are entrepreneurs and self-promotion is what we do. Asking clients to speak well of us, mostly through reviews, is a perfectly acceptable business practice. Nothing written in the 3 critiques above invalidates either perspective. 2 of the 3 didn't write reviews. The OP doesn't like the way a certain escort promotes himself, but he doesn't allege it's dishonest and he acknowledges the guy "always delivers the goods." I am pushy about many things in life, so I expect push back. I personally don't really have a problem with what the escort is doing, or with the fact that the OP is publicly criticizing it.

 

What I have a big problem with is escorts making threats to clients, or anyone - as alleged in # 2 above - or worse, being a criminal, as alleged in #3 above. I agree with BVB and Seaboy that the best way to share this information is through reviews. Way more people read the reviews than the forum. But what this discussion also proves is that many clients simply believe they can't afford to do that, particularly if the escort is threatening them. What several people are saying is that clients feel vulnerable enough to threats to write reviews that are more intended to protect themselves than to convey useful information. The thing that I feel intensely about that is conservative to the point of reactionary is that the more people are cowed by threats into some form of silence or covering up, the more it undermines the basic purpose of a website like this. There is a huge difference between asking or even badgering a client about writing a review, and threatening them if they don't do exactly what the escort says.

 

There is one other key thing I'd stress based on 15 years of experience. In that period I've been the victim of what I view as three attempts at public character assassination and/or serious private threats involving this website. One was a reviewer who tried to slam me because I didn't let him hire me. His review was never published. The second was a client who I fired who was blackmailing me. He was timed out. The third was somebody making private threats. He was timed out. I was timed out once for publicly calling out someone who made private threats. Only a fool engages in bullying or character assassination here. Survey says they'll pay for doing so, if they are called on it.

 

I don't think Michael Wayne or Jock or LivingnLA are fools. I'm glad they are speaking out. I think we need to have thoughtful responses other than "write a review" to dealing with a handful of people who rely on intimidation and threats - especially when the threats are intended to subvert honest reviews. Thank you for starting this thread Michael because I think this is one way to do that. I think that you are right that this is Daddy's call and his ability to flag reviews is another potentially useful tool. I personally think we need a toolbox and would encourage more ideas about how and when it's appropriate to do that.

[LivingnLA]

I know I'm in VD mode (verbal diarrhea) but:

 

I don't think anyone is saying the review process is broken, and I think debating that just takes us into a dead end discussion.

 

Can I reframe the question based on what I think has been a useful discussion? Here are two related questions I'd like to see discussed more:

 

What negative information about specific escorts, identified by name, is appropriate to share in this forum? And are private bullying and threats appropriate to call out in public, by name?

This thread has become a hybrid of several different threads making allegations against possibly at least 3 unnamed escorts. In only one thread - this one - do the allegations have anything to do with reviews that have actually been written. I think this summarizes the 3 allegations:

 

1. An escort who is "gorgeous" with a "great body and cock" who "always delivers the goods" is alleged to have asked at least 12 clients to write reviews, tell them what to say, and badger them to do it daily. To the extent that a "threat" was made, it is that the escort will not offer himself to be hired again unless the client consents to his requests.

 

2. An escort who a client had an "okay" time with and tipped asked him to write a review. When the client refused the escort is alleged to have made a "threat" by bringing up personal information about the client, his partner, and his job and saying he could "get really nasty."

 

3. An escort with "all perfect reviews" is alleged to have drugged and "robbed" the client by stealing his phone. The escort demanded the client pay additional money for spending hours unconscious with the escort, and the client appears to still be worried about the possible transmission of STDs. The client did not write a review but wishes that he had been able to read information in reviews or elsewhere that alerted him to this kind of behavior.

 

One easy answer to the questions above, to slightly oversimplify it, is this: none. Absolutely no negative information should be shared. It is gossip. Either write it in a review and document it, or shut up.

 

This is a good answer. Let me summarize a perspective built over 15 years by my experience which I think is generally shared by a whole bunch of very good escorts I've known. We don't want our shit aired publicly - even if it's undeniably true, and certainly if it's somebody's opinion or not true. We usually avoid airing shit about our clients because we tend to think anything negative we say about clients will make us look petty or mean. The huge incentive on both sides is this: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything it all. And if you truly have something to say, have some balls and say it in a review, and document it. I think most escorts know perfectly well that you have to fuck up pretty bad in most cases for a client to actually do that.

 

The issue about asking clients to write reviews is a tempest in a teapot. I know escorts who view it this way: compliments only have meaning if you don't ask for them. Another view, which I share, is this is not about that type of personal etiquette. Escorts are entrepreneurs and self-promotion is what we do. Asking clients to speak well of us, mostly through reviews, is a perfectly acceptable business practice. Nothing written in the 3 critiques above invalidates either perspective. 2 of the 3 didn't write reviews. The OP doesn't like the way a certain escort promotes himself, but he doesn't allege it's dishonest and he acknowledges the guy "always delivers the goods." I am pushy about many things in life, so I expect push back. I personally don't really have a problem with what the escort is doing, or with the fact that the OP is publicly criticizing it.

 

What I have a big problem with is escorts making threats to clients, or anyone - as alleged in # 2 above - or worse, being a criminal, as alleged in #3 above. I agree with BVB and Seaboy that the best way to share this information is through reviews. Way more people read the reviews than the forum. But what this discussion also proves is that many clients simply believe they can't afford to do that, particularly if the escort is threatening them. What several people are saying is that clients feel vulnerable enough to threats to write reviews that are more intended to protect themselves than to convey useful information. The thing that I feel intensely about that is conservative to the point of reactionary is that the more people are cowed by threats into some form of silence or covering up, the more it undermines the basic purpose of a website like this. There is a huge difference between asking or even badgering a client about writing a review, and threatening them if they don't do exactly what the escort says.

 

There is one other key thing I'd stress based on 15 years of experience. In that period I've been the victim of what I view as three attempts at public character assassination and/or serious private threats involving this website. One was a reviewer who tried to slam me because I didn't let him hire me. His review was never published. The second was a client who I fired who was blackmailing me. He was timed out. The third was somebody making private threats. He was timed out. I was timed out once for publicly calling out someone who made private threats. Only a fool engages in bullying or character assassination here. Survey says they'll pay for doing so, if they are called on it.

 

I don't think Michael Wayne or Jock or LivingnLA are fools. I'm glad they are speaking out. I think we need to have thoughtful responses other than "write a review" to dealing with a handful of people who rely on intimidation and threats - especially when the threats are intended to subvert honest reviews. Thank you for starting this thread Michael because I think this is one way to do that. I think that you are right that this is Daddy's call and his ability to flag reviews is another potentially useful tool. I personally think we need a toolbox and would encourage more ideas about how and when it's appropriate to do that.

 

Thank you for writing that post. It encapsulates much of what I've been thinking about over the months since my bad experience. Let me clarify my situation a little: While I am worried about the possibility that I may have been given one or more STDs while I was blacked out, I have been tested multiples times since the incident, and will continue to be tested. As of right now, I am still completely STD/STI free.

 

My primary hesitance in publishing a review on RM and Daddy is the threat of the unknown. I was blacked out for hours. I have no idea what happened during that time. I know my phone vanished. I know my car seemed like it was searched. He may have pics & vids of me in compromising positions. Yes, I'm being paranoid, but he is perfectly reviewed on RM and here. During my forum tenure, I have privately messaged with quite a few forum members who know the escort in question and have even hired him. Several reported frequent hard partying, including with clients, which is their choice when it's consensual. I don't judge people for what they do with their bodies, I have a serious issue with someone lying when I asked about PNP and when I'm taken advantage of by a supposed professional.

 

After hearing all of the above, I wrote a review to Daddy about my experience and submitted it. I got cold feet though after learning the escort in question is known to have a temper and he's been physically violent in the past. I asked Daddy not to publish my review because I fear revenge. He graciously agreed.

 

I don't have any good answers to this situation. I'm not one to gossip nor am I interested in character assassination of anyone, myself included. I do, though, want to raise awareness in this community to a fundamental weakness of the system as it currently exists. That weakness is the ease with which it's possible for only perfect reviews to exist and anything negative to be suppressed. This environment is great for a very small number of unethical unprofessional and dangerous people to exploit.

[+ ArVaGuy]

There might be a way to flag these type of questionable reviews that is already in place.

 

Daddy sometimes uses a referee icon on escort profiles that have suspicious reviews. It's a man blowing a whistle dropping a flag. At least that icon was used in the past but may no longer be in use.

 

Perhaps taking this one step further with a "Caveat Emptor" / "Buyer Beware" icon on the two or three profiles in question would suffice. This would serve notice to any potential client that there may be possible detrimental issues in hiring said escort.

This could result in devastating affect on the escorts business at least from clients who use this site to research possible hires.

[+ Truereview]

I think I'm saying something like what Kesslar said, just shorter? A couple of questions for the legal types...

 

1. can an escort bring a defamation lawsuit against a group or website and have records and data confiscated for evidence?
   
2. Even if the lawsuit doesn't stand in court, could the publicity and attention of said legal claim attract more unwanted scrutiny of this site?
   

If the answers are "there is a chance" - even if small, I say we keep our traps shut about who the escort(s) is on this thread bc the person who will be sweating this the most will be Daddy. My vote goes to: let's lock this motherfucker of a thread down and let's delete some of the material that smells of defamation.

 

And yes, I totally agree we need to get better way at flagging dangerous escorts, but this thread is not it. let's have the experts go do some homework and make a proposal! Pizza!

[+ WmClarke]

And yes, I totally agree we need to get better way at flagging dangerous escorts, but this thread is not it.

Then what is?

 

This issue pops up a lot but nothing is ever "implemented".

 

Personally, if I have a problem, I would email Daddy so he knows (and would see a pattern if other people let him know of problems with the same escort) and I would consider submitting a negative review (probably under a different name). Other than that, there is only gossip.

[+ Truereview]

Personally, if I have a problem, I would email Daddy so he knows (and would see a pattern if other people let him know of problems with the same escort) and I would consider submitting a negative review (probably under a different name). Other than that, there is only gossip.

This ⬆️ And if you have the balls, use your handle.

[Michael Wayne]

As the OP of this thread I want to thank everyone who responded in public or in private. I sent (at last count) 25 private messages to everyone who contacted me about the names. I still do not feel it is appropriate (or within the rules) to name the names in public. That is why we have the pm process and it worked well here. To clarify: these are both DC LOCAL escorts. One is extremely HOT. One is NOT. One is great at what he does and one is NOT. My issue is 99 percent with the first escort. I am OLD SCHOOL and I don't believe it is appropriate to contact a client much less badger them for a review and refuse to see them unless they write you a review. I believe a client should always contact me. To always email, text or call a client looking for biz is HUSTLING, not escorting. It is also not DISCREET.....it is STREET level! I could have said more about our current collection of so called "talent," but I chose not to. It seems in DC as if the usual pattern now is for the escorts to show up drunk, high or stoned and expect to be paid. They claim to be a TOP but are limp or claim to be a bottom but "my ass is sore tonight...can we just do oral tonight?" LOL!!!! I hear these horror stories 3 or 4 times a week and I am sure DC Is like everywhere else. Our DC market has recently been invaded and glutted by porn stars or wanna be porn stars who have NO CONCEPT of how to escort! It is two different worlds and very, very few porn stars can pull it off. They also fancy themselves as being worth DOUBLE the fee others are charging YET they deliver half the goods and bring an arrogant, nasty, I am better than you attitude. I don't like being anyones' second or third choice but in this day and age that practice is common. Here is a typical DC scenario: Client burns 400-500 on a porn star on a Saturday night. He is left unsatisfied. Second day of his visit he hires porn star number two and the experience is WORSE and now he has spent a grand. On the third day of the visit he gets the "STAGE SHOW" of an actual escort and he is horrified and loses another 300. Last day of visit, in desperation, he hires one of the few REAL, FRIENDLY, NICE and DISCREET guys in town like ME or the other 3 or 4 reputable local escorts and he has an AMAZING TIME and only spends 200. I have usually posted threads on here in years past about unethical conduct by clients such as threads like "The Cancellation Carousel Continues" or "The Death of Common Courtesy" or "Escorting From a Position of Power." I am very proud of those controversial, yet accurate threads, HOWEVER, in recent months it has occurred to me that many clients are acting out in those ways BECAUSE of the FOOLS, FAKES, FLAKES and FRAUDS they are meeting in the ESCORT community. The true ethical male escort or gigolo in the USA is disappearing as are many of the good clients. I thank God for the great regulars I still have and for the many great new clients I have met. I seem to be one of the lucky ones still doing relatively well in the biz which, at my age, is hilarious!!!!!!!! Love to hear from all of yall @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

[mike carey]

Great post, @Michael Wayne.

[killianjamesnyc]

Im pretty old school too. I like to keep my mouth shut & eyes and ears open. I just assumed it made me look like a better person and have no interest in gossip or drama. But Im young, you guys could teach me a lot about all of that I'm sure.

[LADoug1]

As the OP of this thread I want to thank everyone who responded in public or in private. I sent (at last count) 25 private messages to everyone who contacted me about the names. I still do not feel it is appropriate (or within the rules) to name the names in public. That is why we have the pm process and it worked well here. To clarify: these are both DC LOCAL escorts. One is extremely HOT. One is NOT. One is great at what he does and one is NOT. My issue is 99 percent with the first escort. I am OLD SCHOOL and I don't believe it is appropriate to contact a client much less badger them for a review and refuse to see them unless they write you a review. I believe a client should always contact me. To always email, text or call a client looking for biz is HUSTLING, not escorting. It is also not DISCREET.....it is STREET level! I could have said more about our current collection of so called "talent," but I chose not to. It seems in DC as if the usual pattern now is for the escorts to show up drunk, high or stoned and expect to be paid. They claim to be a TOP but are limp or claim to be a bottom but "my ass is sore tonight...can we just do oral tonight?" LOL!!!! I hear these horror stories 3 or 4 times a week and I am sure DC Is like everywhere else. Our DC market has recently been invaded and glutted by porn stars or wanna be porn stars who have NO CONCEPT of how to escort! It is two different worlds and very, very few porn stars can pull it off. They also fancy themselves as being worth DOUBLE the fee others are charging YET they deliver half the goods and bring an arrogant, nasty, I am better than you attitude. I don't like being anyones' second or third choice but in this day and age that practice is common. Here is a typical DC scenario: Client burns 400-500 on a porn star on a Saturday night. He is left unsatisfied. Second day of his visit he hires porn star number two and the experience is WORSE and now he has spent a grand. On the third day of the visit he gets the "STAGE SHOW" of an actual escort and he is horrified and loses another 300. Last day of visit, in desperation, he hires one of the few REAL, FRIENDLY, NICE and DISCREET guys in town like ME or the other 3 or 4 reputable local escorts and he has an AMAZING TIME and only spends 200. I have usually posted threads on here in years past about unethical conduct by clients such as threads like "The Cancellation Carousel Continues" or "The Death of Common Courtesy" or "Escorting From a Position of Power." I am very proud of those controversial, yet accurate threads, HOWEVER, in recent months it has occurred to me that many clients are acting out in those ways BECAUSE of the FOOLS, FAKES, FLAKES and FRAUDS they are meeting in the ESCORT community. The true ethical male escort or gigolo in the USA is disappearing as are many of the good clients. I thank God for the great regulars I still have and for the many great new clients I have met. I seem to be one of the lucky ones still doing relatively well in the biz which, at my age, is hilarious!!!!!!!! Love to hear from all of yall @ www.rentmen.com/magicmikeydc

I think this post is starting to become self-serving. But Mikey I do usually like what you contribute.

[rvwnsd]

Question. What good is a "escort review" site when the discussed escort isn't named? Or is it just me?

 

Here's the thing, @MichiganMan : The Forum isn't an "escort review" site. The escort review site is a separate website where reviews of actual encounters are posted.

 

...Personally, if I have a problem, I would email Daddy so he knows (and would see a pattern if other people let him know of problems with the same escort) and I would consider submitting a negative review (probably under a different name). Other than that, there is only gossip.

 

@WmClarke, your post should be made a sticky. 99.99% of the time, when something does not sit right with me I send a note to Daddy. The 0.01% of the time that I did not do this turned into a bit of a nightmare. I learned my lesson.

[MichiganMan]

Actually....it's NOT a review I am looking for....just the name of the escort that writes his OWN...or are you not getting it? Isn't there a spot to "discuss escorts"?

[instudiocity]

CAPITAL LETTERS DRIVE ME NUTS!

Along with run-on sentences and single paragraph posts - all this illiteracy from a guy with an earned doctorate

[Michael Wayne]

Instudiocity what is your problem with me? Have I done something personally to you sir??? You name calling is immature at best and insulting at worst. If you have a problem with me them pm me...... to my knowledge I have never done anything against you.........

[Michael Wayne]

and you guys wonder why 99 percent of escorts WILL NEVER post on here. It is because of shots like that for no reason from out of the blue. I am hardly "illiterate" and in fact I challenge instudiocity to a public meeting where we will see whose communication skills are superior. He of course would never agree to this preferring instead to hide behind a forum.

[Becket]

Im pretty old school too. I like to keep my mouth shut & eyes and ears open. I just assumed it made me look like a better person and have no interest in gossip or drama. But Im young, you guys could teach me a lot about all of that I'm sure.

 

Wow! You post in the thread about gossip and drama that you don't care about gossip and drama.. Wink wink. You claim to be nothing like all us old farts who engage in "gossip and drama." Wink wink. I'm just thinking back to the "Dallas Mafia" business, when one particular escort, who cares nothing about gossip and drama, could not shut up about the "gossip and drama" revolving around that subject. You blasted an entire city over the actions of an alleged few; and tried to build yourself up upon your careless generalizations. But I'm old. I'm sure you can teach me alot about all of that I'm sure. Wink wink.

[killianjamesnyc]

Notice I havent been on here in a while? I liked that a lot. But clearly, a nerve was hit, take some aleve man. You're as young as you feel, I'm sorry its like an "old fart". Feel better dude and if you need some medicine my dispensary is open from 10am to 1am 7 days week, because "KJ Cares."

 

[+ jc808]

Nice pic. Jeez, I really need to get up to NYC more.

[bigvalboy]

Oh man...the things you miss when you take a little afternoon nap. Love the pic KJ.

[LivingnLA]

Dang! This thread is a roller coaster. As someone who was the victim of robbery and more at the hands of a perfectly reviewed escort, I sympathize with those who try to get the word out about bad escorts. I'm also a fairly low drama and BS kind of guy, so I'm sensitive to what appears to be gossip mongering.

 

My thanks to everyone in this thread who tries to get the word out. As a potential future client, I appreciate knowing some people care about trying to create a safer community for clients and escorts.