Escort Asking for $ Up Front---FOR AIRFARE

[Twinkseeker]

This has been probably visited before, but Id like to get a few comments on how common is it for the escort to ask for money ------TO BUY THE AIRLINE TICKET!!! to come see me.

I offerred to pay for the airfare..(the "e" ticket thing), but he said his relative can get tickets cheap. Sounds risky to me...but who does that??? Anyone???

[Casteran]

I would not do it, if you offer to buy air ticket then you obviously can get "cheap" tickets too on lots of websites. I have always bought the tickets and done e-tkts as you stated. Perhaps he does not want to give you his legal name?

[samwhygy]

Sounds like your being set up. You send the money for the ticket and never hear from the guy again. I know cause I've been there. Perhaps one of the other posters can suggest how one can protect themselves in this type of situation.

[BobbyThompson]

The reason he gave for wanting the money upfront is shadey, as escorts aren't really in the business of saving you money. What's more likely is that he feels uncomfortable giving you his legal name, as the last poster said, or that he just has an airline preference. Either way he should just say that because those are two perfectly valid reasons.

 

Whether you buy the ticket or he does, you still run the risk of having him over-sleep his flight or just decide not to show up. If he is well reviewed or has a good repuation I would trust him, but not if he hasn't established himself yet. I guess if he's that concerned about it, you could tell him to buy his ticket and forward you the confirmation email. Have him block out any information he doesn't want you to see and then paypal him the money he spent. Seems fair to me I suppose. On the other hand, if he's well reviewed the burden of proof is more on your end than on his since you're even more anonymous and he has no way to retaliate if you don't pay him back. Either way, good luck :-)

[AaronScottDC]

>The reason he gave for wanting the money upfront is shadey,

>as escorts aren't really in the business of saving you money.

>What's more likely is that he feels uncomfortable giving you

>his legal name, as the last poster said, or that he just has

>an airline preference. Either way he should just say that

>because those are two perfectly valid reasons.

>

>Whether you buy the ticket or he does, you still run the risk

>of having him over-sleep his flight or just decide not to show

>up. If he is well reviewed or has a good repuation I would

>trust him, but not if he hasn't established himself yet. I

>guess if he's that concerned about it, you could tell him to

>buy his ticket and forward you the confirmation email. Have

>him block out any information he doesn't want you to see and

>then paypal him the money he spent. Seems fair to me I

>suppose. On the other hand, if he's well reviewed the burden

>of proof is more on your end than on his since you're even

>more anonymous and he has no way to retaliate if you don't pay

>him back. Either way, good luck :-)

 

 

I concur! Excellent answer, Bobby!

 

 

Aaron Scott DC

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http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[mansniffing]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

What is the "E ticket" thing?

[AaronScottDC]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

>What is the "E ticket" thing?

 

Electronic Ticket. You buy it on-line and then can check in at the airport at one of those cool little kiosk thingy's and avoid all of the lines.

 

Aaron Scott DC

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http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[marc anthony]

Actually, I always buy the ticket for my travelling esocrts... they have all liked it that way, and it is easier for them (especially with an e-ticket).

 

That having been said, I have always also thought that was pretty risky on their part, and that if I were less than an honorable person, they could put themselves in quite a bind.

 

The reason? The purchaser of the ticket is the owner, not the passenger. The escort could show up in a foreign place to them... and have the client decide he is not happy with whatever happens and cancel the return. That would leave the escort needing to buy a last minute one-way ticket home which is sometimes quite expensive.

 

I guess bottom line is that in this business, someone has to take some risks... sometimes it is client, sometimes it is escort, and most often it is both. A date is confirmed when both are comfortable that the risk/benefit ratio is acceptable to them.

 

In the case of travel dates, which has been mentioned over and over again, the easiest way to make sure both are comfortable with risk is to do them with escort and clients with pre-existing relationships. If that is not possible, then understand that means more risk, and thus more uneasiness and uncertainty.

[guptasa1]

I've had this happen before with no problems, though I certainly understand your hesitation. Some escorts just prefer making their own arrangements.

 

Now, on the other end of the spectrum, I once had an escort buy his own ticket and trust me for payment upon meeting. Talk about a show of trust, but I really appreciated that. (And he ended up bein' my fave escort before he retired).

[+ deej]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

>Electronic Ticket. You buy it on-line and then can check in

>at the airport at one of those cool little kiosk thingy's and

>avoid all of the lines.

 

The kiosk thingies are DEFINITELY a great thing. MAJOR timesaver! (Likewise online checkin, which some airlines are now offering. Print your boarding pass at home and go directly to the gate.)

 

But I've always needed to use the credit card that bought the ticket at the kiosk. If someone else buys the ticket, can you still use the kiosk?

[Guest]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

I suppose that it depends on the airline, but on United, at least, you can enter your Mileage Plus (frequent flyer) card instead of the credit card. I think it works with American and Delta also.

[+ deej]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

The whole kiosk thing poses an interesting security problem. I've done the kiosk check-in and never been asked for ID anywhere after that. Having the right credit card at the kiosk was enough.

 

It's an exploit waiting to happen. x(

[marc anthony]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

>The whole kiosk thing poses an interesting security problem.

>I've done the kiosk check-in and never been asked for ID

>anywhere after that. Having the right credit card at the kiosk

>was enough.

>

>It's an exploit waiting to happen. x(

 

Deej: You mean after you checked in, you didn't have to show your boarding pass with your picture ID to go through the security check point?

 

I agree. Let me know which airport that was, and I won't fly through there!

[Guest]

>The reason? The purchaser of the ticket is the owner, not the

>passenger. The escort could show up in a foreign place to

>them... and have the client decide he is not happy with

>whatever happens and cancel the return. That would leave the

>escort needing to buy a last minute one-way ticket home which

>is sometimes quite expensive.

>

Is that really true? I thought that most tickets are non-refundable. Even if it is true, this scenario seems really far-fetched. If the purchaser really can recoop a non-refundable ticket that's half used, as you say, then perhaps the escort should insist on a ticket that's really non-refundable, such as through hotwire.com or priceline.com

 

 

>I guess bottom line is that in this business, someone has to

>take some risks... sometimes it is client, sometimes it is

>escort, and most often it is both. A date is confirmed when

>both are comfortable that the risk/benefit ratio is acceptable

>to them.

>

I agree completely.

 

>In the case of travel dates, which has been mentioned over and

>over again, the easiest way to make sure both are comfortable

>with risk is to do them with escort and clients with

>pre-existing relationships. If that is not possible, then

>understand that means more risk, and thus more uneasiness and

>uncertainty.

>

I agree 100%. It's really a bad idea to set up a trip for an escort you've never met. The risks are huge, even if you buy the ticket (for both client and escort). There have been many stories on this message board of clients who've been ripped off. I also feel that once one gets to the point of taking a trip together, this whole business of using fake names has no purpose. I always buy the ticket for the escort, and I expect to know his real name. (I do let the escort select which airline, if we're not flying together) Of course, if you're going to be traveling together, there's no way not to find out his name. I would also feel beyond ridiculous spending time with someone and not knowing his name. If you haven't reached the point where he can trust you with his name, you can't trust him with your money. He has to trust that you're not some psycho stalker, and you have to trust that he's not a rip-off artist.

[Guest]

>This has been probably visited before, but Id like to get a

>few comments on how common is it for the escort to ask for

>money ------TO BUY THE AIRLINE TICKET!!! to come see me.

>I offerred to pay for the airfare..(the "e" ticket thing), but

>he said his relative can get tickets cheap. Sounds risky to

>me...but who does that??? Anyone???

 

I wouldn't be concerned about the difference in price between whatever price you can get and whatever "cheap" ticket his relative can get. Unless the his relative is an airline employee, the difference is trivial. Even then, I wouldn't be concerned regarding the cost of an airline ticket when all the costs of hiring an escort for an extended period is considered. This explanation reeks of a scam. Another poster mentioned the fear of the client canceling the ticket mid-stream, which, if accurate, might be a legitimate reason for him wanting to buy the ticket himself (although you could bypass this by getting him a truly nonrefundable ticket through hotwire or priceline).

Your buying the ticket in advance is enough of a risk on your part. I know that a lot of escorts demand this, buy I wouldn't even hire any escort who insisted on ANY portion of his fee in advance, other than needed costs to get to me (airport parking or shuttle fees, etc.).

[+ deej]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

>Deej: You mean after you checked in, you didn't have to show

>your boarding pass with your picture ID to go through the

>security check point?

>

>I agree. Let me know which airport that was, and I won't fly

>through there!

 

It varies, but I've had it happen at LAX, SFO, and ORD.

 

Seems like it's different every time these days. But I've definitely walked onto a plane having never showed my ID to a human.

[marc anthony]

>Is that really true? I thought that most tickets are

>non-refundable. Even if it is true, this scenario seems

>really far-fetched. If the purchaser really can recoop a

>non-refundable ticket that's half used, as you say, then

>perhaps the escort should insist on a ticket that's really

>non-refundable, such as through hotwire.com or priceline.com

>

 

 

You are correct that most tickets are non-refundable and non-changeable. But they can be cancelled. And the owner of the ticket is the purchaser, so he can cancel it. My point was simply that if a client is unhappy with an escort and is the vindictive type, he can, with one phone call, erase the escort's way home. Just some additional risk that our escort friends must deal with.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Self-Service Boarding Pass Kiosk

 

United was one of the first to get significantly into this; akin to ATM machines and surcharges on telephone or inperson ticketing, this is another way to minimize staffing and maximize profits. However, I almost always use it and find it exceeding convenient. One thing anyone needs to know is that you must be at the airport, because at even 40 minutes before flight departure, some of these self-service kiosk will not allow you to check in and then you must wait in line.

 

I use the kiosk almost exclusively, when I can; some airlines either do not yet have the machines or do not have them at airports where they do not have a major presence. At Burbank, Ontario, John Waye and, of course, LAX in the Los Angeles area, I have always been asked for my boarding pass and a picture ID by the airport security in order to get in line for the x-ray machine. This is also true at SFO and Oakland airports, which I also fly in and out of frequently.

 

What has changed is that many carriers, partly to speed up boarding of planes, no longer require a picture ID to BOARD the physical plane, as long as you have the boarding pass. I would not be shocked but I would certainly be somewhat surprised if anyone could get through security from the front door to the actual flight gate without showing a picture ID at least once.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Preferences

 

I do have a preference on airline carriers, which also bring me frequent flyer points. I also prefer to book my own flights generally. I have always asked clients to simply give me a deposit equal to the cost of the ticket and have purchased the ticket myself. Since the sum has usually been exceeding small, in comparison to the overall fee for the overnight or what have you, no client has yet seen this as either unreasonable or inappropriate, at least in my own experience.

 

I do think Bobby is correct; either this guy is very inexperienced or, more likely, wants to use a particular carrier or not provide his birth name. There are a number of ways around this situation which could likely satisfy both the escort and the client, without danger to either.

 

I also agree that no escort is really in the business of saving you money, but to that end, there is no real reason why this escort's "relative" could not simply bill the client.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[AaronScottDC]

RE: Escort Asking for $ Up Front---What is the "E" Ticket?

 

>But I've always needed to use the credit card that bought the

>ticket at the kiosk. If someone else buys the ticket, can you

>still use the kiosk?

 

Actually, the last time I used an E-Ticket which was purchased for me by someone else, but was in my name, it had a bar code on the printed version of the confirmation email. Then, when I got to the kiosk, I just scanned the bar code, and BINGO, all was good! You just gotta LOVE technology!

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[+ deej]

RE: Self-Service Boarding Pass Kiosk

 

>would not be shocked but I would certainly be somewhat

>surprised if anyone could get through security from the front

>door to the actual flight gate without showing a picture ID at

>least once.

 

It has happened. Multiple times.

 

Not recently, but it has happened. The first time it happened to me, I was so flummoxed (once I was on the plane and realized it) that I insisted on showing ID to the stewardess who didn't seem surprised at all.

 

However, on my MOST recent trip I was required to show my boarding pass (that I printed at home) and my ID to the drone when going through security. And that was the only time.

 

Look at the phishing email scams we all receive these days. They're pretty damn realistic! How tough would it be to fake one of those home-printed boarding passes?

 

I'm trying not to be paranoid, but there's a security hole here waiting to be exploited.

[Guest gateway558]

Gateway558

 

Since this original post came up, I have been trading e mails with the escort in question. I am not sure if this should now be moved to the "Deli" since we are talking about a specific escort. (Rentboy site- Mike in Dallas). His first e mail to me asked for $200 up front because his relative could get cheap ticket. My first reaction was the "Cupcake-Nationwide Scam". I wanted to test him so I sent back e mail stating that I had Southwest Airline Credits that I wanted to use up, if that was ok with him. His response was-"ok, but he still needed $50 upfront via Western Union so he knew I was serious. My response to him-Ok but I need real name for both the tickets and the Western Union money order. I fully expected at this point not to get a response. To my surprise, he sent me a response giving me a real name to book the tickets under and the "same name" to send the $50 to Western Union- only discrepancy at this point-he wants money to go to Houston. (Remember his ad was Mike in Dallas) So at this point I am not sure what to believe about him. I have no intention of sending him any money( I figure my purchase of ticket is my commitment enough that I am serious)and I have a policy of never fronting money to escort I do not know and trust. I am still surprised that he gave me a real name. I dont think it is the nationwide scam since I got a real name. So what does anyone else think about him? Is it still possbily the Nationwide Scam. How have they been collecting money upfront without getting names?

[marc anthony]

Not likely Nationwide. There is a phone number; it is on rentboy (a paid site); the money asked for upfront is small and being requested via Western Union (which requires real name and picture ID).

 

That being said, escorts can be no shows even if they are not Nationwide, so you always take some risk.

 

It sounds to me that your communication with this escort has not made you trust him any more than when you started, and if anything, it sounds like it deteriorated into gamesmanship (regarding you proposing something that you had no intention of following through with just because you thought he wouldn't follow through).

 

This is not a good way to begin any relationship, even a paid one that only involves an overnight.

 

I suggest you either call him on the phone and have a conversation with him so you can develop some trust in each other, or hang it up and see someone else.

[Guest]

>You are correct that most tickets are non-refundable and

>non-changeable. But they can be cancelled. And the owner of

>the ticket is the purchaser, so he can cancel it. My point

>was simply that if a client is unhappy with an escort and is

>the vindictive type, he can, with one phone call, erase the

>escort's way home. Just some additional risk that our escort

>friends must deal with.

 

Doesn't that sound rather far-fetched? Why would the client strand the escort, unless the escort did something really bad, like steal from him? It doesn't seem as if the client would have anything to gain by doing that, and he could expose himself to some trouble if he did.

[marc anthony]

Unicorn: Not every client is a nice guy. I know personally of two escorts who had that done to them, and both are 1st class and would never steal from anyone.

 

There are scamming escorts, and there are scamming clients. I think if you just think only one side of the equation can be cheated, mistreated, and swindled, you are deluding yourself.

 

In fact... do you think there are more nutcase escorts or more nutcase clients out there? hmmmmm.....