Am I Being an Unreasonable Customer

[Guest countryboywny]

I can see Kevin and Juan's point. The efficient use of time and money is apparently the goal. When I contact an escort for the first time I am often feeling a bit shy. I am also uncomfortable saying "I want to see you on Saturday at 8:00pm at 123 Main St." because I want a little back and forth communication so that I can get a feel for the escort. (not a feel OF the escort). Yes, it may be inconvenient for the escort to answer my email and yes, it does take the escort's time to do so. I'm in business too and sure, it would be nice to have my customers walk in, tell me exactly what they want, give me their money and leave. It requires no skill or effort on my part and wastes none of my valuable time... oops, I forgot, customer service isn't a waste of my valuable time. Yes, some customers ask a lot of questions or need to be educated, and yes, this requires time and effort. Sometimes the time spent turns into a big order and a loyal customer and sometimes it results in a thank you and a handshake. In my ever humble opinion, escorting is a totally different thing than making an appointment to get my hair cut. Like it or not it involves people's feelings and perceptions and I see nothing wrong in trying to develop a rapport via email.

 

It is entirely the escorts choice as to how he wants to run his business. If he wishes to invest his time with a newbie who asks "I am wondering how you schedule looks for this weekend?" and responds graciously or if he dashes off a quick response "Please be specific, what day/time do you want?" Sure, we all want business delivered to us on a silver platter, in exactly the way we wish to receive it. It's just not reality in any industry, some customers require more "hand holding" than others and if one is unwilling to make the effort to develop the relationship then it's his choice.

[Nvr2Thick]

I can see Kevin and Juan's point. The efficient use of time and money is apparently the goal. When I contact an escort for the first time I am often feeling a bit shy. I am also uncomfortable saying "I want to see you on Saturday at 8:00pm at 123 Main St." because I want a little back and forth communication so that I can get a feel for the escort. (not a feel OF the escort). Yes, it may be inconvenient for the escort to answer my email and yes, it does take the escort's time to do so. I'm in business too and sure, it would be nice to have my customers walk in, tell me exactly what they want, give me their money and leave. It requires no skill or effort on my part and wastes none of my valuable time... oops, I forgot, customer service isn't a waste of my valuable time. Yes, some customers ask a lot of questions or need to be educated, and yes, this requires time and effort. Sometimes the time spent turns into a big order and a loyal customer and sometimes it results in a thank you and a handshake. In my ever humble opinion, escorting is a totally different thing than making an appointment to get my hair cut. Like it or not it involves people's feelings and perceptions and I see nothing wrong in trying to develop a rapport via email.

 

It is entirely the escorts choice as to how he wants to run his business. If he wishes to invest his time with a newbie who asks "I am wondering how you schedule looks for this weekend?" and responds graciously or if he dashes off a quick response "Please be specific, what day/time do you want?" Sure, we all want business delivered to us on a silver platter, in exactly the way we wish to receive it. It's just not reality in any industry, some customers require more "hand holding" than others and if one is unwilling to make the effort to develop the relationship then it's his choice.

 

Exactly. We've had quite a few responses nitpicking about degrees of precision, but this is really about how helpful an escort chooses to be when communicating with his potential client. We've seen escorts on this forum express passionate and varied expectations of how client's should engage -- from Joey Bryant's insistence that you can't ask questions until you connect by phone, to George Cuban Daddy's insistence that you don't get his phone number until he's screened you via online messages. A good escort recognizes that the client's first communication with him is potentially awkward, and a good escort has empathy for the fact that clients have to navigate escorts' varying styles and methods. This isn't about the inconvenience of a perceived vague question; it's about how to get the client onboard with your own methods for scheduling an encounter. I know, however, that we're dealing with bullshit devil's advocacy here. It's a classic behavior on social media -- come up with enlightened, studious reason why the OP is wrong.

 

"How's your weekend schedule?" should be interpreted as "I'm interested in potentially meeting with you this weekend. How do you recommend that we make that happen?" From a business perspective an answer of "Free all weekend" is a fail. The escort doesn't like the question, so he's volleying the ball back into the client's court. The escort is supposed to be the professional and is supposed to guide this process based on his own expectations. Yes, the initial question was not specific, however, there are a dozen different easy ways to guide that question productively.

 

I have no problem asking a waiter or waitress, "So, what's good here?" The shitty answer is "Oh I don't know; everything's good." The professional will take one of a number of approaches including listing and describing his or her favorites, mentioning what a restaurant is known for or what has been most popular, or narrow down my choices buy asking some questions about my preferences. Those are the waiters and waitresses who understand what their jobs are about, and who get the repeat customers and the good tips. Similarly an escort who understands his job uses the initial open question to draw in his client. Imagine how much better things would have gone for the escorts and OP if the answer was an enthusiastic and inviting but equally non-specific, "I've got some things going on this weekend, but I'll be around. I'm sure we can work something out."

 

Sure, the OP could have ensured better results by treating this call like a request for a dinner reservation or a haircut appointment. I'm sure some escorts appreciate the efficiency while others are offended to be treated so impersonally.

[+ quoththeraven]

I can see Kevin and Juan's point. The efficient use of time and money is apparently the goal. When I contact an escort for the first time I am often feeling a bit shy. I am also uncomfortable saying "I want to see you on Saturday at 8:00pm at 123 Main St." because I want a little back and forth communication so that I can get a feel for the escort. (not a feel OF the escort). Yes, it may be inconvenient for the escort to answer my email and yes, it does take the escort's time to do so. I'm in business too and sure, it would be nice to have my customers walk in, tell me exactly what they want, give me their money and leave. It requires no skill or effort on my part and wastes none of my valuable time... oops, I forgot, customer service isn't a waste of my valuable time. Yes, some customers ask a lot of questions or need to be educated, and yes, this requires time and effort. Sometimes the time spent turns into a big order and a loyal customer and sometimes it results in a thank you and a handshake. In my ever humble opinion, escorting is a totally different thing than making an appointment to get my hair cut. Like it or not it involves people's feelings and perceptions and I see nothing wrong in trying to develop a rapport via email.

 

It is entirely the escorts choice as to how he wants to run his business. If he wishes to invest his time with a newbie who asks "I am wondering how you schedule looks for this weekend?" and responds graciously or if he dashes off a quick response "Please be specific, what day/time do you want?" Sure, we all want business delivered to us on a silver platter, in exactly the way we wish to receive it. It's just not reality in any industry, some customers require more "hand holding" than others and if one is unwilling to make the effort to develop the relationship then it's his choice.

 

As presented, the question had to do with OP's offense at the escort's response to an inquiry that as reported had the sole aim of making an appointment. That is what everyone else has responded to up to this point.

 

I don't see this discussion as dealing one way or another with a preliminary conversation by phone or email (not, please God, by text) to see if the two of you are a good fit -- which, btw, not everyone wants or needs, and why are we assuming OP and the escort had never seen each other before when OP did not say so; if they have, that would make a discussion of preliminaries moot. I would probably want such a preliminary discussion myself, but if a client wishes to schedule an appointment, then I agree directness is the best way to go and indirectness leads to the kind of results OP experienced.

 

So while I agree with you that openness to questions is important, that's not what's being discussed here.

[jjkrkwood]

Maybe its me, but if I had ANY problem or issues trying to make an appt, or if I felt the escort wasn't being cooperative or responsive, I would just move on... Booking an escort is not like receiving a life-saving organ...

Why all this Hulaballoo ? Certain things just seem so Unnecessary....

[MikeyGMin]

Maybe its me, but if I had ANY problem or issues trying to make an appt, or if I felt the escort wasn't being cooperative or responsive, I would just move on... Booking an escort is not like receiving a life-saving organ...

Why all this Hulaballoo ? Certain things just seem so Unnecessary....

 

Your perspective may be slightly skewed by living in NYC. In many parts of the county "just moving on" is easier said than done with a limited pool of escorts.

[jjkrkwood]

Your perspective may be slightly skewed by living in NYC. In many parts of the county "just moving on" is easier said than done with a limited pool of escorts.

 

 

 

So basically in those rural areas you are being "force fed" ? Again, maybe its me, but I would rather go hungry than navigate and tolerate a "difficult" transaction.

[Guest countryboywny]

As presented, the question had to do with OP's offense at the escort's response to an inquiry that as reported had the sole aim of making an appointment. That is what everyone else has responded to up to this point.

 

You are correct QTR, that was the original question. As the thread evolved a discussion of preferences in how an escort is contacted emerged. This is what I was addressing in my post.

 

Sure, the OP could have ensured better results by treating this call like a request for a dinner reservation or a haircut appointment. I'm sure some escorts appreciate the efficiency while others are offended to be treated so impersonally.

 

Thank you, N2T, you said it much better that I did.

 

We live in a world where many people want everything cut and dried or black and white, if you will. It sure makes living easier because one doesn't have to use their judgement or interpersonal skills to get along in life. Precise questions get pre-recorded responses without having to give it a thought. The question: "I would like to see you on Tuesday at 8:00pm are you available?" The response: "Yes" or "No" Easy peasy! No thought or consideration necessary. If that is all there is to it, then if I were escorting I would put my availability in an online calendar, let clients go online, book the time and done. I just check the calendar for the day and show up. Ahh, something to be said for living life on auto-pilot.

[Kevin Slater]

As presented, the question had to do with OP's offense at the escort's response to an inquiry that as reported had the sole aim of making an appointment. That is what everyone else has responded to up to this point.

 

I don't see this discussion as dealing one way or another with a preliminary conversation by phone or email (not, please God, by text) to see if the two of you are a good fit -- which, btw, not everyone wants or needs, and why are we assuming OP and the escort had never seen each other before when OP did not say so; if they have, that would make a discussion of preliminaries moot. I would probably want such a preliminary discussion myself, but if a client wishes to schedule an appointment, then I agree directness is the best way to go and indirectness leads to the kind of results OP experienced.

 

So while I agree with you that openness to questions is important, that's not what's being discussed here.

 

I agree. I thought the OP had already decided he wanted to hire and now it was just down to picking a time. If he's still deciding whether to hire, then we're having the wrong debate. For me, that goes back to the email vs text vs phone call conundrum. If you're looking to get a sense of me, and whether we'd be a match, in my book that's determined over the phone. If this were an initial contact, my reply would be something along the lines of "I'm pretty open this weekend. Call to set something up." I'm certainly going to require that of a new client before we get down to brass tacks of scheduling.

 

Kevin Slater

[Guest countryboywny]

Additionally, do you really expect the escort to reply to "how's your weekend schedule?" by divulging his list of upcoming bookings (and other commitments)?

 

No, I don't expect a run down of your weekend plans. But I'm new to hiring and I don't know all the quantity of email that you receive asking the same question. I don't know the things about email that irritate you. I'm just interested in meeting you and trying to be respectful and friendly in opening a discussion. OR I'm an experienced client and I'm trying to convey to you that I would like to see you this weekend but can be flexible. My problem is that I tried to express it in a way comfortable for me, but not comfortable for you.

 

 

"I have been wanting to meet you for years, you are totally my type".

 

Funny you would mention this because it's exactly what I wrote to an escort 5 years ago. His response was, "What took you so long?" Needless to say 5 years later, we're happily seeing each other and he is one of my all time favorites.

[+ quoththeraven]

I agree. I thought the OP had already decided he wanted to hire and now it was just down to picking a time. If he's still deciding whether to hire, then we're having the wrong debate. For me, that goes back to the email vs text vs phone call conundrum. If you're looking to get a sense of me, and whether we'd be a match, in my book that's determined over the phone. If this were an initial contact, my reply would be something along the lines of "I'm pretty open this weekend. Call to set something up." I'm certainly going to require that of a new client before we get down to brass tacks of scheduling.

 

Kevin Slater

 

The first escort I hired also requires a phone conversation before scheduling an initial appointment. I probably would have wanted one anyway.

[sincitymix]

unfortunately with my schedule, my hiring goes pretty much : 1. text or call depending on what the escort wants 2. Hi! I saw your ad on XXX. Im interesting in hiring for a 2 hour incall anytime within the next 4-6 hours. 3. wait for the escort to respond

[LADoug1]

I may be in the wrong but after I say I want to spend x amount of time with an escort sometime during a particular window of time, I ask when would be a good time for them. Am I being too vague? I just want to be with an escort at the best and most convenient time for THEM.

[instudiocity]

Since when is Friday part of the Weekend? Aren't weekends Saturday and Sunday? Asking how's your weekend is not specific enough to be disturbed when the escort says he's busy at 7 PM on the last day of the work week.

[+ quoththeraven]

I may be in the wrong but after I say I want to spend x amount of time with an escort sometime during a particular window of time, I ask when would be a good time for them. Am I being too vague? I just want to be with an escort at the best and most convenient time for THEM.

 

I can't speak for any escorts, but imo not if you truly have no preference within the given window. That's also not the same thing as asking what his schedule is like. It's asking the escort to choose the time within those parameters.

[+ quoththeraven]

Since when is Friday part of the Weekend? Aren't weekends Saturday and Sunday? Asking how's your weekend is not specific enough to be disturbed when the escort says he's busy at 7 PM on the last day of the work week.

 

To me and a lot of other people, the weekend starts Friday night. In college/law school, it sometimes started Thursday night.

[Guest countryboywny]

unfortunately with my schedule, my hiring goes pretty much : 1. text or call depending on what the escort wants 2. Hi! I saw your ad on XXX. Im interesting in hiring for a 2 hour incall anytime within the next 4-6 hours. 3. wait for the escort to respond

 

I think that should be specific enough for any escort with the bonus of allowing him to pick a time that works best for him. However, Sin, it's not perfect.. you're not giving him enough advance notice. LOL

[instudiocity]

To me and a lot of other people, the weekend starts Friday night. In college/law school, it sometimes started Thursday night.

In my father's day the weekend started Saturday - and he worked a six day workweek - 'the country's gone to hell since the 40 hour workweek was implemented'

 

I'd suggest that when someone starts their weekend today is entirely different than in yesteryear. But I'd still call a weekend as a Saturday and Sunday not Friday evening to Monday morning... It's not a 60 hour period, but a 48 hour period.

[mattr]

In my father's day the weekend started Saturday - and he worked a six day workweek - 'the country's gone to hell since the 40 hour workweek was implemented'

 

I'd suggest that when someone starts their weekend today is entirely different than in yesteryear. But I'd still call a weekend as a Saturday and Sunday not Friday evening to Monday morning... It's not a 60 hour period, but a 48 hour period.

 

For me the weekend starts on Friday after work and ends on Sunday night when I go to bed.

[jjkrkwood]

Oh God, please let's NOT have 20 pages of what constitutes the weekend ! Surely we can find more interesting and relevant topics ?

[+ quoththeraven]

Oh God, please let's NOT have 20 pages of what constitutes the weekend ! Surely we can find more interesting and relevant topics ?

 

Um, you brought it up?

[Kevin Slater]

unfortunately with my schedule, my hiring goes pretty much : 1. text or call depending on what the escort wants 2. Hi! I saw your ad on XXX. Im interesting in hiring for a 2 hour incall anytime within the next 4-6 hours. 3. wait for the escort to respond

 

I think I'm in love.

 

Kevin Slater

[bigvalboy]

[rocky]

Hi all of you good people. I never wanted to start an issue about definitions of weekend or actually about me in general but as I've received some good comments and some not so kind, maybe I should elaborate and my problem I didn't do so previously. First; these were individuals who contacted me asking would I be around and me responding, how do things look for you this weekend. Second; around here, sorry, but weekend starts Friday night and those that reach out to me or me to them, certainly know that. Third, I'm in upstate NY so it isn't there is an abundance of clients, matter of fact I may be their only one. I was just confused by being responded to that someone was available all weekend but when I selected the dates I was pigeon holed in to specific times. I'm sorry, and this may piss some people off, as a client or customer, I think there should be some consideration of my time and schedule, guess that's what I'm saying. On that note, happy March.

[sincitymix]

I think that should be specific enough for any escort with the bonus of allowing him to pick a time that works best for him. However, Sin, it's not perfect.. you're not giving him enough advance notice. LOL

well best laid plans and all of that Hopefully the escort has short notice okay in his ad.

[sincitymix]

I think I'm in love.

 

Kevin Slater