Paying Full Price

[Izaak]

Hi everyone ,

I'm a newbie to this forum and to the world of seeking escorts

I had a question , hope it hasn't been asked..

 

I met this escort for like 3 sessions already , when I was visiting the East Coast.

Bottom line we really clicked and it was such a pleasure to talk to , it wasn't just about the sex. I decide to hire him overnight since I wanted to spend my last night with him and make it a unforgettable night.

 

My question is , is true that lets say if you start to get uncomfortable during the night you can ask the guy to leave and only pay him a certain amount for his time ?

As well , I felt like he got unprofessional and was all talk , he didn't do what he said he was going to do.

 

Unfortunately that happened to me, things got a bit uncomfortable and he got aggressive.. He got so wasted and blame me, saying that I drugged him ( which was not the case). Told me that it doesn't work that way , that I can't back down and I had to pay him the full 100%, even if he leaves early.

[+ azdr0710]

sounds like this happened already?....and you're wondering what you should've done?

 

very sorry it didn't work out.....we all learn from experience.....based on your words, this guy sounds like he is more a hustler than a professional, well-regarded escort......we don't know, from your report, why things "got uncomfortable", but there may've been a misunderstanding about what you wanted and what he would do??.....to be honest, he may've taken advantage of your inexperience....

 

welcome to the board here.....you'll get lots of good advice here.....

[rvwnsd]

I'm sorry to hear that your overnight session went badly. As azdr0710 said, based on the details you have shared we don't know why or how things got uncomfortable, so it is difficult to give advice. If an overnight session starts going badly you can ask the escort to leave. You can also ask that he accept a reduced rate, but that does not mean he will accept said reduced rate.

 

You might want to relate what you mean when you say things "got uncomfortable" and how they got to that point. You also mentioned he got wasted. How did he acquire the substance he got wasted on? I'm asking because him bringing a bottle of vodka and chugging it upon entering the room and the two of you ordering several rounds of cocktails could produce the same results but are two entirely different situations.

[Izaak]

sounds like this happened already?....and you're wondering what you should've done?

 

very sorry it didn't work out.....we all learn from experience.....based on your words, this guy sounds like he is more a hustler than a professional, well-regarded escort......we don't know, from your report, why things "got uncomfortable", but there may've been a misunderstanding about what you wanted and what he would do??.....to be honest, he may've taken advantage of your inexperience....

 

welcome to the board here.....you'll get lots of good advice here.....

 

Hi.. To answer your question , yes it happened already .. Things got uncomfortable after we drank and he neither of us remembered what happened much. He said he was going to give me the boyfriend experience and go out in public , he was going to touch me and kiss. Which it never happened , when we were out in public he seemed embarrassed and kept his distance

Kept saying how his "straight " and wants no one to think his gay ugh !!

I let that go because he did make up to me when we got to the hotel room , we got cozy and flirtatious

Then came the biggest disappointment , which was him not topping me.. It's been like that for the past sessions I booked him , I had to compromise His only in his 20s and has a hard time keeping an etrction , it goes soft so fast. This time he didn't even give an effort to get erected and just wanted to blow him, he acted stupid and passed out in bed. For some reason , that bothered me somehow :/

I was cleared to him what I wanted , since I knew his limits . We both agreed and he said he was going to deliver

 

 

It sucks because I actually like him as a person and he said that too. In fact he was charging me a discount when I would see him ( without me asking him for it ) because he really liked me. I don't know why he would do that , he looks like a hollister model who had clients regularly ( it wasn't because he was desperate for money).

Anyways , he kept saying when how he wanted his full amount of money. He was doing me a favor because again he didn't charge me what he charges others , trying to make me feel guilty.

[Izaak]

I'm sorry to hear that your overnight session went badly. As azdr0710 said, based on the details you have shared we don't know why or how things got uncomfortable, so it is difficult to give advice. If an overnight session starts going badly you can ask the escort to leave. You can also ask that he accept a reduced rate, but that does not mean he will accept said reduced rate.

 

You might want to relate what you mean when you say things "got uncomfortable" and how they got to that point. You also mentioned he got wasted. How did he acquire the substance he got wasted on? I'm asking because him bringing a bottle of vodka and chugging it upon entering the room and the two of you ordering several rounds of cocktails could produce the same results but are two entirely different situations.

 

Yeah .. Well since I'm new to hiring escorts I didn't know what to expect .. In fact, I was terrified of the idea , yet very exciting at same time of hiring an escort to fulfill a fantasy

He knew from the beginning that I was a novice to this , plus I'm young as well ( I'm 23).

He told me how in the escort world, you can't back down because you feel like it, that he doesn't know why his being so lenient with me.

I told him well , you don't deserve the full amount because you didn't deliver. We agreed on a deal!

 

Well we bought the bottle of Vodka and mixed it with juice. He kept insisting that I drink , drink .. I was comfortable with him to drink , from our prior meetings we instantly clicked! I'm not going to lie it was fun talking and flirting. He says his a straight guy ( not that I'm questioning him ) but I got uncomfortable when he kissed me in the mouth and started talking to me in lovely dovy. Saying how he doesn't kiss other clients , that I'm his first . I know I wanted the whole BF experience but I told him that I didn't want to kiss or be talk with that love stuff. When he saw that I didn't like that he got aggressive , and started calling me a whore!

Saying I'm just like all gays :/

There's other periods of times that i don't remember :/

[Juan Vancouver]

Izaak,

 

I am so terribly sorry to say this, but buddy, you are being played like a very fine violin. And it's not a pretty tune.

 

He is a trouble kid, who has been trying to reel you in telling you you are special and different and he feels about you in ways he never does for others... (Textbook manipulating hustler) He has failed to give you what you desire, yet you keep hiring him because he is pretty and he professes (or implies) special feelings for you so of course you hire for an overnight, but he (again playing you) offers you a super duper special rate cause he really really really likes you...

 

Then tries to get you drunk so that nothing happens, then demands his full rate cause he gave you a discount so you are not even really entitled to a good session (or so he thinks) and if this doesn't work he gets aggressive and calls you names.

 

Buddy, you gotta stop seeing this asshole. You are nothing but an ATM to him. You deserve to surround yourself with people who treat you nicely whether you are paying them or not.

 

 

Now, back to your question. If you agreed to a session and he so far is honouring your agreements and being a professional escort, you are in the right to send him home early for whatever reason but you should really pay his whole fee because he blocked his schedule for you and has done everything in his power to take the session to fruition.

 

If on the other hand he is an asshole, tries to get you drunk, is aggressive or unclean, unready or simply not doing his part of the bargain, it is ok to talk to him and explain the situation, offer a prorated rate an hope he agrees.

 

I really hope you realize you can spend time with gorgeous guys that are also kind and fun.

 

You deserve to be treated with respect.

 

Big hug!

[rvwnsd]

I agree, you can't arbitrarily change your mind in a middle of a session and decide an overnight will be an hour or two instead and pay for an hour or two. However, that isn't what you did. He got you drunk, didn't deliver on what he promised, and then became aggressive. I think you were right to end the session an offer to pay him a pro-rated fee. Frankly, you were being generous doing that.

 

You have discovered this forum and that is a good thing. If you decide to hire again, ask about the potential hire. Ask the guy lots of questions and make sure he is legitimate. Legitimate escorts don't get their clients drunk and take advantage of them.

[HoseMaster]

Hi.. To answer your question , yes it happened already .. Things got uncomfortable after we drank and he neither of us remembered what happened much. He said he was going to give me the boyfriend experience and go out in public , he was going to touch me and kiss. Which it never happened , when we were out in public he seemed embarrassed and kept his distance

Kept saying how his "straight " and wants no one to think his gay ugh !!

I let that go because he did make up to me when we got to the hotel room , we got cozy and flirtatious

Then came the biggest disappointment , which was him not topping me.. It's been like that for the past sessions I booked him , I had to compromise His only in his 20s and has a hard time keeping an etrction , it goes soft so fast. This time he didn't even give an effort to get erected and just wanted to blow him, he acted stupid and passed out in bed. For some reason , that bothered me somehow :/

I was cleared to him what I wanted , since I knew his limits . We both agreed and he said he was going to deliver

 

 

It sucks because I actually like him as a person and he said that too. In fact he was charging me a discount when I would see him ( without me asking him for it ) because he really liked me. I don't know why he would do that , he looks like a hollister model who had clients regularly ( it wasn't because he was desperate for money).

Anyways , he kept saying when how he wanted his full amount of money. He was doing me a favor because again he didn't charge me what he charges others , trying to make me feel guilty.

 

Well, there's a few things I see here. You've been with him several times already, and it seems like each time he doesn't top you, or has a problem keeping an erection while doing so. How would you expect he be able to top you during an overnight then?

 

Another problem I see is that you both drank before sex. You probably know that alcohol consumption can interfere with sexual activity, especially if someone is already having difficulty having an erection.

 

You also mentioned that he was going to give you the "boyfriend experience". Did you specifically ask him to touch you and kiss you in public? If he is gay-for-pay, and you two are walking around in his home town, I could see how he could be uncomfortable walking around with someone holding hands or kissing and having someone he knows recognize him. He probably doesn't tell many--if any--of his friends what he does, so if they were to see you guys, he'd have some explaining to do. In a private room behind closed doors, he can open up to you, and be cozy and flirtatious. However, in public, he may not feel comfortable actually doing what he said he'd do.

 

If you were clear to him what you wanted, and said that he would deliver exactly what you wanted, then I see that he failed to deliver. If you like the guy, and still want to see him, tell him your thoughts. He may understand, and continue seeing you again--if you want him to. If you really want him to top you, look into one of you getting some sexually enhancing drugs like Viagra or Cialis to help him maintain an erection. If that fails, look for someone else that can deliver what you want, as there as several out there that can.

 

You never mentioned what happened. Did you pay him the full amount he asked for? Did you not? What happened?

[Izaak]

Izaak,

 

I am so terribly sorry to say this, but buddy, you are being played like a very fine violin. And it's not a pretty tune.

 

He is a trouble kid, who has been trying to reel you in telling you you are special and different and he feels about you in ways he never does for others... (Textbook manipulating hustler) He has failed to give you what you desire, yet you keep hiring him because he is pretty and he professes (or implies) special feelings for you so of course you hire for an overnight, but he (again playing you) offers you a super duper special rate cause he really really really likes you...

 

Then tries to get you drunk so that nothing happens, then demands his full rate cause he gave you a discount so you are not even really entitled to a good session (or so he thinks) and if this doesn't work he gets aggressive and calls you names.

 

Buddy, you gotta stop seeing this asshole. You are nothing but an ATM to him. You deserve to surround yourself with people who treat you nicely whether you are paying them or not.

 

 

Now, back to your question. If you agreed to a session and he so far is honouring your agreements and being a professional escort, you are in the right to send him home early for whatever reason but you should really pay his whole fee because he blocked his schedule for you and has done everything in his power to take the session to fruition.

 

If on the other hand he is an asshole, tries to get you drunk, is aggressive or unclean, unready or simply not doing his part of the bargain, it is ok to talk to him and explain the situation, offer a prorated rate an hope he agrees.

 

I really hope you realize you can spend time with gorgeous guys that are also kind and fun.

 

You deserve to be treated with respect.

 

Big hug!

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for replying and your honesty

I truly appreciate it !!

That's what my gut , was telling me as well but you live and learn .

To be honest I'm a very sweet guy , I try to see the good in others. Sadly, not everyone is like that.

 

No worries , I kicked him out of my room as politely as I could . I won't be seeing him never in my life , I made it clear to him that I won't hire him again. Thank tou for the kind words , yes I do need nice people to treat me nice .

 

I didn't pay him the full amount because I was just tired of his crap and lies.

He continued to talk to me in love dovy and I told him to cut the lies, that this session is over. I said I'm very uncomfortable and please leave!

He left with only like 75% of what we agreed on. He wasn't happy about it , he wouldn't leave and kept asking for his money over and over , I was stubborn to not give in.

I'm proud that I'm the end I was able to stand up to myself and not get hurt.

[Izaak]

I agree, you can't arbitrarily change your mind in a middle of a session and decide an overnight will be an hour or two instead and pay for an hour or two. However, that isn't what you did. He got you drunk, didn't deliver on what he promised, and then became aggressive. I think you were right to end the session an offer to pay him a pro-rated fee. Frankly, you were being generous doing that.

 

You have discovered this forum and that is a good thing. If you decide to hire again, ask about the potential hire. Ask the guy lots of questions and make sure he is legitimate. Legitimate escorts don't get their clients drunk and take advantage of them.

 

Oh I agree with you.. No I didn't changed my mind in like an hour or so..

In fact , like 7 hours has passed by and that's when things got "uncomfortable" . Yes I could of been very rude to him for not delivering, I'm not that type of person.

 

 

In fact , This guy has good reviews on rentmen and I thought they would be legit.

I'm so glad I found this forum it's been helpful and all of you have been great with your feedback

I really appreciate it!

 

You think I should write a review for him?

 

I'm kind of afraid /: and I don't want others to go through the experience I went through.

Now that I remember he confessed to me some things about his clients , that I thought were so unprofessional.

I always thought that a professional escort should be courteous and not talk about their clients.

[Izaak]

Well, there's a few things I see here. You've been with him several times already, and it seems like each time he doesn't top you, or has a problem keeping an erection while doing so. How would you expect he be able to top you during an overnight then?

 

Another problem I see is that you both drank before sex. You probably know that alcohol consumption can interfere with sexual activity, especially if someone is already having difficulty having an erection.

 

You also mentioned that he was going to give you the "boyfriend experience". Did you specifically ask him to touch you and kiss you in public? If he is gay-for-pay, and you two are walking around in his home town, I could see how he could be uncomfortable walking around with someone holding hands or kissing and having someone he knows recognize him. He probably doesn't tell many--if any--of his friends what he does, so if they were to see you guys, he'd have some explaining to do. In a private room behind closed doors, he can open up to you, and be cozy and flirtatious. However, in public, he may not feel comfortable actually doing what he said he'd do.

 

If you were clear to him what you wanted, and said that he would deliver exactly what you wanted, then I see that he failed to deliver. If you like the guy, and still want to see him, tell him your thoughts. He may understand, and continue seeing you again--if you want him to. If you really want him to top you, look into one of you getting some sexually enhancing drugs like Viagra or Cialis to help him maintain an erection. If that fails, look for someone else that can deliver what you want, as there as several out there that can.

 

You never mentioned what happened. Did you pay him the full amount he asked for? Did you not? What happened?

 

Hi!

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and for the advice

 

To answer your question , regarding the topping me. Well he couldn't top me on our first meeting , when he initially tried to. The other sessions after that he was honest on how he couldn't top me ( because he had lots of clients prior to our meeting ) I was okay with that , glad he was honest and confirmed with me that if I still was interested ( prior to our meeting) . For that , I thought it was professional , on his behalf.

In fact , when he met for our sessions when he "couldn't " top me he didn't charge me full price, that was nice. But he was able to do other things that at that time was really good for me

That's why I thought on our overnight that he would deliver, we talked about him using pills to keep an etrction.

 

Yes I told him that if he was okay with kissing and touching in public , he said yeah.

You're right , we were in NYC and well his a "foreigner" from Europe. He told me that he just recently got in the USA with a visa.

 

I don't see myself hiring him ever again. I'm not from NYC , I was just visiting.

 

No I didn't pay him on what we agreed on. I wrote what happened on my previous post

[HoseMaster]

No worries , I kicked him out of my room as politely as I could . I won't be seeing him never in my life , I made it clear to him that I won't hire him again. Thank tou for the kind words , yes I do need nice people to treat me nice .

 

I didn't pay him the full amount because I was just tired of his crap and lies.

He continued to talk to me in love dovy and I told him to cut the lies, that this session is over. I said I'm very uncomfortable and please leave!

He left with only like 75% of what we agreed on. He wasn't happy about it , he wouldn't leave and kept asking for his money over and over , I was stubborn to not give in.

I'm proud that I'm the end I was able to stand up to myself and not get hurt.

 

Good for you. You did it politely, and you only gave him 75% of what you two agreed upon. I'd say you were very fair with him, considering he never met the obligations you both agreed upon. There are a lot of escorts out there that will say what you want to hear, just so they get your money--not all, but this guy sure fits the bill.

 

You think I should write a review for him?

 

I'm kind of afraid /: and I don't want others to go through the experience I went through.

Now that I remember he confessed to me some things about his clients , that I thought were so unprofessional.

I always thought that a professional escort should be courteous and not talk about their clients.

 

Absolutely write a review. Put it here on Daddy's!

[HoseMaster]

Hi!

I really appreciate you taking the time to reply and for the advice

 

To answer your question , regarding the topping me. Well he couldn't top me on our first meeting , when he initially tried to. The other sessions after that he was honest on how he couldn't top me ( because he had lots of clients prior to our meeting ) I was okay with that , glad he was honest and confirmed with me that if I still was interested ( prior to our meeting) . For that , I thought it was professional , on his behalf.

In fact , when he met for our sessions when he "couldn't " top me he didn't charge me full price, that was nice. But he was able to do other things that at that time was really good for me

That's why I thought on our overnight that he would deliver, we talked about him using pills to keep an etrction.

 

Yes I told him that if he was okay with kissing and touching in public , he said yeah.

You're right , we were in NYC and well his a "foreigner" from Europe. He told me that he just recently got in the USA with a visa.

 

I don't see myself hiring him ever again. I'm not from NYC , I was just visiting.

 

No I didn't pay him on what we agreed on. I wrote what happened on my previous post

 

Thanks for your response. If he couldn't top you on your first meeting...ok. I know a few escorts that have multiple clients in a day, so that shouldn't necessarily be an excuse more than one time. If you had a nice time at a discounted rate at other times, I suppose that was ok too. However, if you thought on an overnight he could deliver without pills, that might have been wishful thinking.

[Izaak]

Another thing to add ...

After having like 3 sessions with an escort in the same week.. Should they have the courtesy to call you by your name or at least know your name when meeting or texting you ?

 

I know some escorts see numerous clients on a daily basis to count. Just out of curiousity

[jawjateck]

There are many issues here for which the forum-ers are helping you. But remember that mixing alcohol (or any impairing substance) and hiring is a bad idea. Sharp mental capacity is essential. I'm not a tetotaler, an occasional cocktail or glass of wine with dinner, but when a companion needs a bottle of something or wants to stop by a bar for "some" drinks, trouble may be coming. No quality companion needs alcohol to help them relax or perform. On 2 or 3 occasions, I completely ignored an escort's request and drove passed the liquor store or bar. They were free to leave at any time (without fee) and find a more suitable client. They chose to remain with me, and take care of business properly. Of course, they never heard from me again either.

[bigvalboy]

I dunno... I'm a little surprised by the responses. I see things differently, more like 180 degrees differently, but that's what makes this forum so interesting, you just never know when the tide is going in or out. Good luck in your future hires however.

[bigvalboy]

plus I'm young as well ( I'm 23). There's other periods of times that i don't remember

 

Your profile says your 25. Are those 2 years one of the times you don't remember?

[+ WmClarke]

You think I should write a review for him?

Yes. Definitely.

[+ friendofsheila]

He said he was going to give me the boyfriend experience and go out in public , he was going to touch me and kiss. Which it never happened , when we were out in public he seemed embarrassed and kept his distance

 

Then came the biggest disappointment , which was him not topping me..

 

This is why I'm in favor of talking pretty explicitly about what I want us to do, to the point of sounding like I'm reading off a list. It took me a while to get comfortable doing so, but it's made certain things easier.

[+ friendofsheila]

Hi,

 

I'm proud that I'm the end I was able to stand up to myself and not get hurt.

 

...and it sounds like you learned a lot, too. Good for you!

[Marlfox]

Another thing to add ...

After having like 3 sessions with an escort in the same week.. Should they have the courtesy to call you by your name or at least know your name when meeting or texting you ?

 

I know some escorts see numerous clients on a daily basis to count. Just out of curiousity

 

Good question Izaak and worthy of its own thread. I've seen an escort three times for three hours per visit. He has yet to call me by name. In texts and in person he calls me mate. Drives me nuts! I'm sure he doesn't remember my name.

[Izaak]

I dunno... I'm a little surprised by the responses. I see things differently, more like 180 degrees differently, but that's what makes this forum so interesting, you just never know when the tide is going in or out. Good luck in your future hires however.

 

Just out of curiousity how do you see or what is your Opinion about the situation?

[bigvalboy]

Just out of curiousity how do you see or what is your Opinion about the situation?

 

It is clear by your posts, that my opinion would not matter to you, but I wish you luck with your future hires.

[american executive]

Hey Izzak:

 

Welcome to the board. Really sorry to read about that bad experience.

 

The responses to your questions are great! Re-read them all. There is a lot of good experience and wisdom offered by the guys here.

 

Two things I would re-state: Tell the escort everything that you expect and in a way get him to reiterate it to you so that you can be sure he understands. Also, don't drink too much. A wine or two to settle the nerves and be social is fine. An encounter should be a special time for you. Avoid getting blasted. Stay sharp and have fun.

 

Best wishes!

[LADoug1]

Izzak: Definitely write a review.