Is this a tip or a renegotiated fee?

[MiamiLooker]

If whether or not to tip is at the discretion of the client after the service is completed, if the client promises a tip prior to the appointment to entice the escort to agree to the appointment, is it still a tip or is it an increase (negotiated) in the escort’s fee? If it’s a tip, is the client obligated to pay the promised amount, or can he pay less or even not tip at all?

[bobchitown]

If you renegotiated a rate it isn't a tip but part of the rate agreed to.

[Atlantagaguy]

I understand tipping a waiter, maid, or any other service industry employee whom works for an employer who is paying minimum wage or as in the hospitality industry below minimum wage. But I don’t understand tipping a stripper or an escort who is making $20 per a three minute song or $200-$300 for giving me the privilege of sexual frolics or companionship. Am I wrong???

[bigvalboy]

Interesting question, but I'm with bobchitown....If it is discussed prior to the appointment, I would say that it becomes part of the rate, and the tip, if one is warranted, is in addition to. So I would say that the client is obligated to pay the amount negotiated prior to the appointment.

 

But my opinion is based on the fact not only do I believe in tipping, but traditionally I am a fairly heavy tipper.

[+ Keith30309]

I think the operative word in the OP is "promises" - i.e., committed to in exchange for something he would not otherwise have received.

[Amoco]

I think it's a "guaranteed tip", which is slightly different...if The escort fee is $500 and I entice with an extra $100, I'd personally consider that "paid in full" unless something extra-ordinary took place in the sessio - not just a usual good session. In my mind, going up 20% on a fee is just like saying that you are guaranteeing a good tip.

[Guest]

... if the client promises a tip prior to the appointment...

 

One cannot "promise" a "tip" because the very nature of a tip is that it is voluntary. The phrase "promises a tip" is simply a nonsensical oxymoron. If you promised any additional amount, you simply renegotiated a different price. If you promised something, you are duty-bound to pay it.

[Amoco]

You can see it any way you want to Unicorn, we all have different approaches and see things from a different perspective - for example, calling something a "nonsensical oxymoron" is itself, redundant. In addition, it's absurd to think that one can't guarantee a voluntary tip.

 

That said, "guaranteeing" a 20% increase in the fee is like telling the escort that the least he will walk away with is his $500 fee plus what would be a 20% bonus. As most escorts tell me that many, if not most clients do not tip, I would see that as equivalent to a guaranteed tip and I would feel no need to provide an additional gratuity.

 

Your argument is one of semantics, which is fine, but I fail to see the point.

[MiamiLooker]

Your argument is one of semantics...

Actually, that was the point I was trying to make in my original post. Just because a client or escort refers to a payment above the escort’s usual fee as a tip, is it always a tip or is it sometimes an increase in the fee?

[gallahadesquire]

I have a pin. Can someone tell me how many angels are dancing on it?

[Guest]

Your argument is one of semantics, which is fine, but I fail to see the point.

 

Not really semantics. It's simply what "promise" means:

Full Definition of PROMISE

1

a : a declaration that one will do or refrain from doing something specified

 

b : a legally binding declaration that gives the person to whom it is made a right to expect or to claim the performance or forbearance of a specified act

2

: reason to expect something <little promise of relief>; especially : ground for expectation of success, improvement, or excellence <shows considerable promise>

3

: something that is promised

 

Someone who doesn't do what he promises is a louse.

[Amoco]

So, again, if the fee is $500 and I promise $600, am I a louse because I see that additional $100 as a tip? I promised $600 and gave $600. Contract honored. Are you suggesting that the $600 becomes the fee and I'm a louse because I didn't tip above that? If so, tell me where I promised a tip and didn't honor it? Promised $600, paid $600 and opted to not provide a further tip as it was never discussed or promised. Happy now?

[MiamiLooker]

Not really semantics. It's simply what "promise" means:

Full Definition of PROMISE

1

a : a declaration that one will do or refrain from doing something specified

 

b : a legally binding declaration that gives the person to whom it is made a right to expect or to claim the performance or forbearance of a specified act

2

: reason to expect something <little promise of relief>; especially : ground for expectation of success, improvement, or excellence <shows considerable promise>

3

: something that is promised

 

Someone who doesn't do what he promises is a louse.

 

The client promises (implied) to pay the escort’s fee and promises to pay the additional agreed upon amount. What is the correlation between the promise to pay the additional agreed upon amount and determining whether it is considered part of the fee or a tip?

 

I lean toward any monetary agreement prior to the appointment as an adjustment to the escort’s fee. A tip, in my opinion, is not something an escort can count on, expect or require, and is totally at the discretion of the client and given after the service is completed. But, then again, many restaurants tack on an automatic tip charge for parties over a certain number; so, maybe there’s a good argument for calling this a tip.