Time To Kill The Confederacy.....1865 Is Light Years Ago....Except The South

[+ WilliamM]

These gentlemen are significant historical figures in the formation of these United States. Perhaps I am naive but I don't think that even the majority of present day "Northerners" think of these men as "traitors". The statues are donated by each state and depict those individuals who were considered to be important historical figures in THEIR states

 

Yes, traitor may be too strong a word for Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. But, it is difficult to think of another word, at least for me.

[robberbaron4u]

In my opinion, "The Conquered Banner" a poem penned by Father Ryan, "The Poet-Priest of The Confederacy" should be the "last word" on the subject.

[robberbaron4u]

Yes, traitor may be too strong a word for Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. But, it is difficult to think of another word, at least for me.

In that "light", George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and their like must be considered "traitors" who have been accorded "hero status" only because their rebellion was successful.

[+ azdr0710]

Yes, traitor may be too strong a word for Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. But, it is difficult to think of another word, at least for me.

 

 

how about "loyal"?...... (just sayin')

[Lookin]

In general, I'm not a big fan of flags and buttons and bumper stickers to let folks know who I am. In the first place, they may not be all that interested. In the second place, I can think of very few groups whose values and beliefs I share one hundred percent. If somebody is really interested in my beliefs, I'm only too happy to tell them, with all the nuances they can stand and for as long as they can muster the slightest bit of interest. http://r25.imgfast.net/users/2514/33/46/03/smiles/2694226609.gif

 

I'll also confess to being underwowed by the politicians who pin those American flags on their lapels right after breakfast. I think Bush and Cheney started it soon after 9/11.

 

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I mean it's not like anybody was ever going to mistake them for Che Guevara. http://forum.pokerzysta.pl/images/smilies/che.gif

[+ poolboy48220]

and didn't people criticize Obama because he didn't wear the flag pin at the start of his campaign?

[+ deej]

Yes, traitor may be too strong a word for Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. But, it is difficult to think of another word, at least for me.

 

The constitution is pretty clear about what defines treason:

 

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

 

Messrs. Davis and Lee did many things in their long lives but they most definitely levied war against the US.

[Frequentflier]

In that "light", George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and their like must be considered "traitors" who have been accorded "hero status" only because their rebellion was successful.

 

While I wasn't alive when they were, what treasonous acts did Washington, Jefferson and their peers commit against the United States? Maybe Britain considered them traitors but does that country have monuments to them or fly the American flag over parliament or the Queens homes or other Hritish government buildings? Read a great book "The Rise and Fall of the House of Dixie" and a copy of the confederate constitution. You've lost me on your point clearly and the confederate traitors weren't successful so couldn't be heroes for that additional reason?

 

Maybe we should give the confederacy worshipers the singular option to fly the last version of the confederate flag over Southern capitols, you now, the all white one?

[AdamSmith]

and didn't people criticize Obama because he didn't wear the flag pin at the start of his campaign?

 

They did.

 

Those lapel flag pins remind me of the clear plastic flag stickers that everybody from Archie Bunker on seemed to have stuck in a corner of their house windows and/or car windows in the '70s. Same implication--without one of those in sight, you weren't a patriot.

[Guest]

In that "light", George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and their like must be considered "traitors" who have been accorded "hero status" only because their rebellion was successful.

Oh, for God's sake, I obviously meant traitors to the United States, which they obviously were, having been responsible for the deaths of millions of U.S. servicemen. Robert E. Lee was trained at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point then went on to kill millions of U.S. soldiers. If that's not the epitome of treason, then I don't know what is. Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin may be considered traitors in Britain (although they were born in the American colonies), and I certainly wouldn't expect to see large statues of them in the Houses of Parliament in London. I would have no objection to statues of R.E. Lee of J. Davis being placed in the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, Virginia (or Appomattox, Virginia), but having their statues in the U.S. Capitol is just a slap in the face to loyal Americans.

[Lookin]

In death, he was buried, by his own request, in his dress CSA uniform and wrapped in the regimental flag of his cavalry company he had commanded in the course of the "dispute".

 

No doubt he would follow his men anywhere. . http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif