Taking Control of Escort Rates

[Guest lighthouse]

>The ONLY area in

>which I could be considered hard-nosed is my unwillingness to

>negotiate with people who themselves have nothing to put up

>except an unwillingness to pay my full fee. Those who would

>take that as a sign of how I treat my clients are deluding

>themselves from the start, for people who expect discounts

>before we've even met, are, by definition, NOT my clients.

>And by the way, I am perfectly polite to those people. I

>have, however spoken plainly in this forum about how their

>boorish advances make me feel, and if my remarks dissuade

>people I don't want as clients from trying to become clients

>then we're all winners. It's quite simple, really. I don't

>want people who don't think I'm worth my fee to hire me. I

>don't understand why you think I should care whether they like

>my "attitude" or not.

 

You see Devon, I doubt my comments here are going to help or hurt your business. I frankly doubt very much that they will hurt your business at all. I thought, and continue to think, that your posts -including the extract above - on this thread have offered ral insights to how you view (some?) clients, and that view corresponds to what I have suspected (and experienced from over-hyped escorts), and what Skyguy gas suggested about his experience with you. But look even Skyguy did not say he had a bad experience with you, just one that he did not think was worth the price. More on that below.

 

>and although I did not appreciate your email detailing the

>flaws you detected in my "former twink lover," with whom, at

>the time, you made the experience sound less than

>"overwhelmingly positive." I didn't and still don't know what

>I was supposed to do with that useless information.

 

This is a good example of the point I think you are missing. I thought your guy was cute, intelligent, engaging and a good fuck. However, I did not think he was worth a second trip down the aisle at the price. Why you think that just because an escort posts a rate that all clients must view him as worth that rate is beyond me. As for my "private" email to you, you seemed particularly upset by losing the kid so I sent you an email of another escort in that motif who I thought you would like. When in the past I have done the same to Marc Anthony, he has said "Thank you". I have never quite undertsood you reaction to what was intended as a "gift", particularly since as you know I don't give positive reviews because I don't like to share the gems that I have found and have to stand in a long line thereafter (LOL)! The point I would like you to consider is that a client's view of an escort experience might not be bad, and just because he chooses not to hire the escort or hire the escort again at the offered price, does not mean that he think the escort is a bad person or a bad escort. For the record, I neither think you are a bad person, or bad escort even with all the caveats noted above.

[VaHawk]

>Secondly, this thread has reinforced my favorable opinions of

>Devon. Although Devon is a bit older than I normally hire, I

>think he's delightful and would seriously consider hiring him

>if he were in the neighborhood.

 

I WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you feel this way then unlike Mohammed don't wait for the mountain to come to you, get off your butt and go to the mountain! Not willing to do that? Then your opinion, is more than suspect, imo.

 

>Skyyguy's sharing of his less

>than happy experience with Devon inclines me not to think less

>of Devon, but to urge folks like Skyyguy to spend a little

>less on escort hiring so you can sign up for a good

>assertiveness training workshop.

 

LOL! Where the hell are the sane posters on this site? You said you waded thru this thread, but "perhaps" you didn't dip deep enough? Did you read Devon's responses?????? As an aside, who the heck appointed you as the in-house Dr. Joyce Brothers????

 

>Escorts are not mindreaders,

>and if you don't tell them what you want, you shouldn't blame

>them for not delivering.

 

Once again psycho-babble BS!!!!! Why don't we take a poll of clients, including LURKERS, who have paid full price in good faith with no negotiation, and in turn, have gotten way, way, way, WAY LESS than promised? Let me know where to place my bets on the outcome!

 

>Thirdly, as far as I'm concerned, Lighthouse/Ad rian/Axebahia

>has finally managed to screw the pooch with me. To put it

>bluntly, I think you're extremely fucked up, and I don't even

>know if years of therapy would help. I think you just look

>for any and every opportunity to crap on someone. You keep

>coming back like a bad penny. Any credibility you ever had on

>some issues here has pretty much evaporated. Give it a rest

>and seek therapy.

 

You are, imo, a great guy, but once again, imo, you are overboard on this! Who are you to judge/condemn others??????????????????????

How would you feel, as others have indeed suggested that YOU give it a rest and seek therapy????

 

Don't castigate lighthouse/axe/ad rian on his espousing on this thread. He's just his own loveable self, and I will admit that I LOVE him being here and I'M GLAD HE IS BACK!!!!! After all this time, I have come to expect his views and opinions, not that I agree with most, but you have to ADMIT that he is REAL GOOD at getting others, most of them pompous, to unravel and reveal their true selves. I LOVE IT!!! and I LOVE how he got Devon to self-destruct on the mc! He is an ARTISTE! and I respect him and admire him! and I sincerely hope he NEVER changes!

 

He slams me all the time, but at least he takes my slamming back at him in the true spirit of an internet message board. NO hard feelings, just dish and give and don't take everything so DAMN SERIOUSLY! as it's just an anonymous internet board!

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>Why you think that just because

>an escort posts a rate that all clients must view him as worth

>that rate is beyond me.

 

I have made explicitly clear that I don't think any such thing. Go back to my first post in my thread, where I WELCOME the emergence of the lower tier market and praise an individual who has done more than anyone to bring the Craigs List phenomenom to participants on this board. I explicity stated that I was glad that clients for the lower tiered market have more options, and that there isn't a correlation between price and quality. These are extremely moderate views which are in fact SYMPATHETIC, notwithstanding the portrait you paint of me, to clients who like to hire at rates lower than mine. I myself hardly price outrageously. I simply don't want people who don't think I'm worth my rate to hire me. Why does that bother you so much? Why must you constantly try and transform that simple point into something else?

 

I think the answer is that it pisses you off that there are certain escorts, myself, Benjamin, and Bruno Gaucho included, who simply are not available to you on the terms that you think they should be. It's not even that you would necessarily ever act on the urge to hire us (least likely of all me), but still, you are a man who is used to getting what he wants and can't STAND the thought that it might not be available on the off-chance that he wanted it. It is most absurd in my case because it had long been abundantly clear that I was never in the running for your business, and I had NEVER held that fact against you. Yet, incredibly, you DO hold it against me. Its shown up before in little digs you've made here and there, but you kept them to a dull roar, or, to mix metaphors, above the belt, at times just barely. But this display was extremely hurtful. Forget about what it will or won't do to my business. Neither of us can know that. I'm telling you not as an escort, but as a (gasp) PERSON that this was very hurtful to me. I throw my heart into my time with my clients, and for you to take one anonymous new poster's contradictory story, embrace it and use it to smear me was not only uncalled for but -- do you get this? -- it HURT me. For no good reason. My position on the escort rate issue was extremely moderate. And I can understand disagreeing with my views on negotiation -- Boston Guy, for example, does; we've sparred on the issue before -- but he would never do what you did, which is to extrapolate an ugly caricature of me that nobody who knows me would recognize. Can you be a man and at least admit that the "Jag and the five-star" line was flat-out wrong and defamatory? Can you muster up the measly ounce of decency that would take?

 

 

>As for my "private" email to you, you

>seemed particularly upset by losing the kid so I sent you an

>email of another escort in that motif who I thought you would

>like. When in the past I have done the same to Marc Anthony,

>he has said "Thank you".

 

I was upset because a close friend of mine was moving to New York. Out of respect for him I'll respond to this part in private as it's not related to the conflict we're having now.

 

>I don't give positive reviews because I don't like

>to share the gems that I have found and have to stand in a

>long line thereafter (LOL)!

 

That says a lot about you. From the man who's accusing ME of disparaging clients. That shows just how much you care about both the "gems" (not people, mind you, just expensive rocks) and the clients on this site. You're here to tear down reputations, not help build them, because that might be inconvenient for you.

 

>The point I would like you to

>consider is that a client's view of an escort experience might

>not be bad, and just because he chooses not to hire the escort

>or hire the escort again at the offered price, does not mean

>that he think the escort is a bad person or a bad escort.

 

Don't look now, I not only "considered" that point of view, I articulated it before you did! Here, I'll replay it for you:

 

"Secondly, it means that I have to depend a lot more on what I would call one-offs: clients whose type I normally wouldn't conform to but who are, as you say, "intrigued" by my offbeat personality and who like my body enough to give me a try when they're in the mood for something unusual. Coincidentally, last night I had a drink with a former client who hired me once -- ONCE! -- a little less than two years ago but who has religiously followed the diary ever since (and for awhile before). We hit it off very well and we always get together for a drink or a meal whenever we're in the same city. Remembering our appointment, he smiled and said what many have said: "You are without a doubt, hands down THE most unusual escort I've ever been with." He's made it explicitly clear, both at the time and many times since, including last night, that he thoroughly enjoyed himself, left feeling absolutely satisfied and more than a little surprised at that fact. He hangs the moon on me and is one of a select group of people I could count on under any circumstance. But he has never hired me since then, and probably never will, because, like you, he is a die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool top. And you know what? That's okay by me. In fact, I think it's a beautiful thing. I'm glad he chose me that night for his little ramble off the beaten path. I wasn't trying to change him or convert him to anything, just show him something a little different, give him a snapshot of some unusual scenery he'd never seen. I got him back safe. And we're friends and he is even an occasional recurring character in the diary. And you have no idea how glad I am for that."

 

How on EARTH can you accuse me of "not considering" that point of view? Are you THAT preoccupied?

 

>For the record, I neither think you are a bad person, or bad

>escort even with all the caveats noted above.

 

Oh, right, the caveats. Uh-huh. Love you long time.

[Guest lighthouse]

>I simply

>don't want people who don't think I'm worth my rate to hire

>me. Why does that bother you so much? Why must you

>constantly try and transform that simple point into something

>else?

 

Because as others have pointed out here, the fact that any escort would regard a request for a lower rate to be a personal insult, combined with some of your other quips here about VIPs and sunglassed offer an interesting insight into your view of clients. Whether you intended to show those view or not is another matter.

 

>Can you be a man and at

>least admit that the "Jag and the five-star" line was flat-out

>wrong and defamatory? Can you muster up the measly ounce of

>decency that would take?

 

Sure, I can, and do, apologize for that if it hurt your feelings, but I still think it was not much of a stretch (with an attempt at humor) considering that you also wrote this:

 

"It's not that we didn't meet any great

>guys at the lower rate (and I'm not casting any aspersions on

>any posters here who prefer to hire at the lower rate), but in

>the aggregate the people who literally value our services more

>seem to treat us better -- the ways in which they value us

>show up in other manifestations in addition to the extra cash."

 

I still don't know what bee got in your bonnett in this thread, but increasingly I think that I am not your bee.

[swallows22]

You blokes can have a field day with this and send me up gutless. Make me look like step-sister-ugly. Call me retarded. No effect on me. But I would cut off my dick before hiring Devon or Giovani.

[BuckyXTC]

>>Secondly, this thread has reinforced my favorable opinions

>of

>>Devon. Although Devon is a bit older than I normally hire,

>I

>>think he's delightful and would seriously consider hiring

>him

>>if he were in the neighborhood.

>

>I WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you feel this way then

>unlike Mohammed don't wait for the mountain to come to you,

>get off your butt and go to the mountain! Not willing to do

>that? Then your opinion, is more than suspect, imo.

 

VaHawk: If you think my opinion is suspect simply because I don't hop a plane to California (I live on the other coast) to hire an escort, then you are truly ignorant. Of course, I've suspected as much for a long time. I would much rather spend money on the hiring rather than plane fare, and I do know that Devon comes this way from time to time, so go ahead and scream. You're obviously good at it, from some of your off-the-wall rants here at the Message Center.

>

>>Skyyguy's sharing of his less

>>than happy experience with Devon inclines me not to think

>less

>>of Devon, but to urge folks like Skyyguy to spend a little

>>less on escort hiring so you can sign up for a good

>>assertiveness training workshop.

>

>LOL! Where the hell are the sane posters on this site?

 

Obviously not living at your address in Virginia.

 

>

>>Escorts are not mindreaders,

>>and if you don't tell them what you want, you shouldn't

>blame

>>them for not delivering.

>

>Once again psycho-babble BS!!!!! Why don't we take a poll of

>clients, including LURKERS, who have paid full price in good

>faith with no negotiation, and in turn, have gotten way, way,

>way, WAY LESS than promised? Let me know where to place my

>bets on the outcome!

 

Not psychobabble at all. At least it is evident you don't need assertiveness training. On the other hand, some Valium might be in order, to tone down your need to question the sanity of folks who happen to have a different perspective from your back-woods inbred Hillbilly point of view.

>

>>Thirdly, as far as I'm concerned, Lighthouse/Ad

>rian/Axebahia

>>has finally managed to screw the pooch with me. To put it

>>bluntly, I think you're extremely fucked up, and I don't

>even

>>know if years of therapy would help. I think you just look

>>for any and every opportunity to crap on someone. You keep

>>coming back like a bad penny. Any credibility you ever had

>on

>>some issues here has pretty much evaporated. Give it a rest

>>and seek therapy.

>

>You are, imo, a great guy, but once again, imo, you are

>overboard on this! Who are you to judge/condemn

>others??????????????????????

>How would you feel, as others have indeed suggested that YOU

>give it a rest and seek therapy????

 

You're damning me with faint praise.......how charming. I think you win the "hyprocrite of the week" award for questioning who I am to judge/condemn others, as you never miss an opportunity to regale us with your opinions of folks you somehow feel you are "better than".

>

>Don't castigate lighthouse/axe/ad rian on his espousing on

>this thread. He's just his own loveable self, and I will

>admit that I LOVE him being here and I'M GLAD HE IS BACK!!!!!

>After all this time, I have come to expect his views and

>opinions, not that I agree with most, but you have to ADMIT

>that he is REAL GOOD at getting others, most of them pompous,

>to unravel and reveal their true selves. I LOVE IT!!! and I

>LOVE how he got Devon to self-destruct on the mc! He is an

>ARTISTE! and I respect him and admire him! and I sincerely

>hope he NEVER changes!

 

I see no self-destruction on Devon's part at all. I only see another hair-trigger, hotheaded, client equivalent of DCEscortBoy in you. It's not hard to see why you would welcome back the mentally disturbed folks who have been repeatedly banished by the owner of this site because of their inability to play by the rules. What's that old saying....."Birds of a feather flock together"?

>

>He slams me all the time, but at least he takes my slamming

>back at him in the true spirit of an internet message board.

>NO hard feelings, just dish and give and don't take everything

>so DAMN SERIOUSLY! as it's just an anonymous internet

>board!

>

 

I'm so glad you like "slamming" with Lighthouse, and even more thankful you shared such insignificant drivel with us all. I don't know how I would make it through today without knowing this little tidbit about your life. Thanks for sharing.

[giovoni]

Please don't do that as if you do cut your dick off and try to hire me you'll find that you're not only dickless but that I stopped working for new clients months ago. (if I'm not being to presumptuous that 'giovani' was referring to me)

 

:-P

[woodlawn]

RE: Deciding What You're Willing to Pay!

 

>I have no problem

>believing that a good escort can create an air of spontaneity

>over and over.. it's a skill that is rare but I think some

>escorts possess that skill. It's no different then many other

>skills professionals must use and be diligent about keeping

>sharp day after day.

 

But saying the skill is "rare" actually means that it's unusual to find someone who has it. Or, if you prefer, that most people do NOT have it. And I think that is very little different from what skyguy was saying.

 

 

>That was too much for you? Wow... I'll take sniveling back..

>should I use cowardly? Disingenuous? dishonest? Lacking

>integrity? which words do you think best describes waiting to

>bring up a specific encounter with an escort until it will do

>the most damage and cast the most doubt on that escort?

 

 

How about doing as our host requested and indicating your disagreement with someone's opinion without making any personal remarks about him? Do you find that impossible?

 

>More vicious then you're characterizing my attacks on him?

 

Yes, much more. As longtime readers of this site will attest, the most common responses from escorts to a negative review are that the reviewer made the whole thing up or that the reviewer did actually see the escort but that there was something personally unpleasant about him that prevented the encounter from going well (i.e., the reviewer was on drugs, the reviewer was unclean, the reviewer requested that the escort do something unsafe or revolting).

 

>Besides, by posting the exact same information that he would

>have posted in a review he's opening himself up to the exact

>same sort of attacks

 

No. Skyguy didn't provide some of the information that is required in a review (date and place of the appointment, for example) and that would allow Devon to identify him.

 

>As I said in my response to Devon, there is a place for

>reviews and a place for conversation.

 

As Hawk pointed out, the Deli section contains plenty of threads in which clients post information about escort experiences both positive and negative. If there is a rule forbidding that it's news to me.

[Guest lighthouse]

RE: The Negotiators

 

>So, yes, I do in fact,

>look for goods and services at the least amount of expenditure

>possibles. However, as you state elsewhere here, BG, I do not

>call a hotel up and say, "I can only pay $75" when their

>stated rate is $99 a night. As you suggested with your

>examples of off peak times for escorts, and what else is

>brought to the table, etc.

 

Well you should! Anybody who pays the rack rate for a hotel room is a fool. I always ask for, and I almost always receive discounts at hotels when I travel, and no I am not talking about the Motel 6!

 

>If you were hiring a lawyer to prepare an agreement or write a

>will, this might follow logically. If you were hiring a lawyer

>to make an appearance for you at an arraignment, some lawyers

>might offer you a lower hourly rate than others, but rarely if

>ever, will they negotiate their hourly rate.

 

Wrong again! Where did you get this idea? I am a lawyer, and while I don't like discounting my rates, I might do it in any number of cases: (1) to hook a new client; (2) to reward a frequent client with lots of business ($A x B Units of time may be greater than $C x D Units of time even where A is less than C if D is more than B); (3) what economists would call efficient price discrimination or market segmentation, etc.

[giovoni]

>LOL! Where the hell are the sane posters on this site?

 

After reading back over the entire thread... I'm thinking that they are all ignoring it :-P ... talk about a well meaning discussion going out of control. And I'm the first to admit I'm just as guilty as anyone here in contributing to the mess.

 

Gio in Denver

 

"Never Argue with a Fool---Those around you may not notice the Difference"

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>>I simply don't want people who don't think I'm worth my rate to >>hire me. Why does that bother you so much? Why must you

>>constantly try and transform that simple point into something

>>else?

 

>Because as others have pointed out here, the fact that any

>escort would regard a request for a lower rate to be a

>personal insult, combined with some of your other quips here

>about VIPs and sunglassed offer an interesting insight into

>your view of clients.

 

People who don't want to pay my rate are NOT my clients! Is that so hard to grasp?

 

 

>>Can you be a man and at

>>least admit that the "Jag and the five-star" line was

>flat-out

>>wrong and defamatory? Can you muster up the measly ounce of

>>decency that would take?

>

>Sure, I can, and do, apologize for that if it hurt your

>feelings, but I still think it was not much of a stretch (with

>an attempt at humor) considering that you also wrote this:

>

>"It's not that we didn't meet any great

>>guys at the lower rate (and I'm not casting any aspersions

>on

>>any posters here who prefer to hire at the lower rate), but

>in

>>the aggregate the people who literally value our services

>more

>>seem to treat us better -- the ways in which they value us

>>show up in other manifestations in addition to the extra

>cash."

 

Thank you for admitting that what you wrote was wrong and defamatory, even if you follow it up with an excuse which basically indicates you don't think you have anything to be sorry for. To clarify yet another straightforward paragraph for you, I was not talking about material manifestations. I was talking about how our clients TREAT us -- ways in which they behave towards us that show they care.

 

>I still don't know what bee got in your bonnett in this

>thread, but increasingly I think that I am not your bee.

 

Well, you're certainly the person who launched this smear campaign. But I know for a fact that I am not your bee. Has anyone else noticed that lighthouse DOESN'T attack the overpriced superstars he HAS been with by name, but DOES attack me, with whom he's never been, because I must be an overpriced superstar if I don't haggle down my rates further? According to his logic, the fact that I prefer clients who value my service must mean that I give them "workmanlike" service. And all those reviews to the contrary are only further proof that I give workmanlike service, because the fact that I have a good reputation must, by defintition, mean I'm resting on my laurels, based on his experience with a completely different escort. In a different part of the world. Who's ten years younger, actually IS expensive and actually DOES fit his superstar prototype. Am I the only person who finds this odd?

[Guest lighthouse]

>Thank you for admitting that what you wrote was wrong and

>defamatory, even if you follow it up with an excuse which

>basically indicates you don't think you have anything to be

>sorry for.

 

I have admitted no such thing. I am sorry if you feel that you were hurt but as I made clear above, I think my characterization of your remarks was a fair and logical extension of your written remarks. See again below.

 

>To clarify yet another straightforward paragraph

>for you, I was not talking about material manifestations. I

>was talking about how our clients TREAT us -- ways in which

>they behave towards us that show they care.

 

Did you or did you not write this:

 

"... but

>>in

>>>the aggregate the people who literally value our services

>>more

>>>seem to treat us better -- the ways in which they value us

>>>show up in other manifestations in addition to the extra

>>cash."

 

If you did, you would seem to be clearly have talking about material manifestations, but I do understand that having realized that your admissions may not be good for business you are slowly trying to slither away from them.

[Guest Utopia]

Well earlier tonight I had my first rejection regarding my counter-offer to the escorts $250./hr fee. He is somewhat reviewed in LA and my guess is he might have been reading the message center due to some of the comments he made ... these comments were too close to some of the content in the posts here within.

 

I didn't say anything about it. He's a a nice guy, well, at least chatting with him was nice ... I just wished him luck and moved on to another guy who had no problem reducing his fee from $225. to $180. And now they I've had a chance to catch my breath I can tell you I didn't feel cheated in the quality department .

[Guest skrubber]

Benjamin is tops in my book, I don't care what he charges. To be quite frank his rates are NOT higher than any NYC escort I have ever hired and the quality is WAY higher. I get the feeling that those dissing Benjamin will have to stand in front of a long line of his "friends" to get bitch slapped by every one. Nothing he has ever done can be taken in a bad light by me and I most certainly do not mind the long wait for an appointment. Rock on Benj. I hope you never retire.

 

Everybody loves Backa Baa

[KY_TOP]

I realize as long as this thread has gotten it probably doesn't need my 2 cents. But, I am here alone in my hotel room, with wireless internet service, and nothing or no one (either over or under priced) better to do so here goes.

 

In the past 2 1/2 years I have hired a lot of Escorts. As a general rule I have never felt comfortable negotiating an Escort's fee. I get an idea of what the Escort's fee will be from his Reviews and then always ask to confirm his rate when I contact him. With what some Escorts charge I can see why a client may want to offer him less, but I personally just pay what he ask if I really want to see him.

 

 

I figure an Escort sets his rates based upon many things such as:

the geographic area he is in, the cost of living for him (in star fashion or not), what other Escorts in the area charge, his "Star" status plus other things.

 

There is absolutely NO correlation between the Escort's Rates and his quality of service. One of the best Escorts I have met charges $150 for the first hour and $100 for each hour after. I get 2 hours of perfection (from my view point) for $250 and no clock watcher so I usually get more. Even after tippng generously, I feel I have not given him enough when compared to other Escorts I have hired. Now I realize he being in Nashville, I am sure, has a bearing upon his rates. I have hired $300 stars that can't cum close to the great time I have with this guy. One of the first Escorts I hired was a $300 an hour Porn "star" that will charge extra for every 15 minutes past this agreed time, the ultimate in clock watching. He has a fantastic body and I had what I felt was a great time with him. What I have since realized is that as I hired more great Escorts I really realized how limited and overpriced he is. I have passed on rehiring him when the opportunity has presented itself since but most certainly do not fault him if he can stay booked, with a waiting list, at the rate he charges. If he can get it, why not and who knows one day I might get froggy and jump at the chance to see him again?

 

I don't understand why a client would critcize an Escort if he doesn't want to reduce his rate. It is his body and his business, if you don't want to pay it move on. At the same time I don't understand why an Escort would criticize a potential client for asking for a reduced rate. If you don't want to accept the offer, move on, no big deal.

 

Are some Escorts overpriced? Absolutely. On the other end, almost everyone enjoys finding a bargain and there are bargains to be found.

[Guest DickHo]

I hope this not indicative of things to come...$350 for incall!

 

http://www.rentboy.com/location/getrb.asp?rentboy=7047

[Guest skrubber]

And he won't even show his face.

 

Everybody loves Backa Baa.

[Guest Utopia]

Dick, That is Michael AKA Rocco. He has one review on this site. I hired him twice about a year ago now. Average all the way around, bi-sexual and does cam chat for $$$ on ifriends. His rate then was $185.hr. The new rate is pretty funny.

[ncc1701d]

Sorry to hear you're all alone there KYT...from today's reviews it seemed like you had some "mishaps" too. You've been someone that I am somewhat envious of, given your ample track record of reviews;-) }(

 

In any case I just wanted to echo your comments about the certain "ultimate clock watcher"...Have also had an encounter with him and would at best classify the experience as "okay" and "very business-like". x( (did bother to spent time on a review...not worth it) He certainly timed things well so I guess I'm lucky that I didn't get the extra 15 minutes charge}(

 

I guess my point is that the rates escort charges and rates clients are willing to pay are tainted by our own individual value system and to accuse someone of being "right" or "wrong" on this issue is a bit difficult to do....So like you said, move on if the rate doesn't suit you, on eithr side of the coin.:-) THere are plenty of choices out there, and the best ones (again an individual choice) are unlikely to be the most expensive ones!!!:9

[Skyyguy]

In the other Topic, I mentioned that I might want to see Devon Again.. He replied to me directly, and said he didn't want to.

I will respect that.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>In the other Topic, I mentioned that I might want to see

>Devon Again.. He replied to me directly, and said he didn't

>want to.

>I will respect that.

>

>

 

Did we really need to be informed of that?? And would anyone be surprised?!

 

Looks like Devon has moved on... seems like a good idea all around.

[Guest 10cc]

If you think escort rates are high check out this $7,000. man, lol.

 

http://www.realdoll.com/image/charlie/md10.jpg

[Guest DevonSFescort]

Sigh...I was going to move on, TY, but now I find myself in an odd situation. You see, I have several times cast doubt, both publicly and privately, on whether or not Skyyguy has actually met me, and in fact I continue to seriously doubt that he has because of the contradictions in his story. And due to what appears to be a preference on his part to report to the message center on my private emails rather than to reply to them, I don't have an email address to compare against my records. It's interesting that he hasn't commented, either publicly or privately, to my questions about his credibility. He obviously doesn't want to help me figure out who he is, but there could be any number of reasons for that, not all of them necessarily suspicious.

 

So...now that I've had my cow, donated it to the petting zoo and had time to simmer down, I'd like to take this opportunity to make things right with Skyyguy, or at least find out whether it's necessary to do so. After all, if we really did meet then I not only disappointed him but proceeded to cast doubt on his credibility in public, and if that is what happened then I clearly need to make amends.

 

So, here's what I'm offering Skyyguy (I'm posting it here to save him the trouble of paraphrasing it):

 

"If you will contact me PRIVATELY and refresh my memory as to who you are, I will work with you to figure out a refund of whatever size you feel is appropriate up to the full cost of our session. Since the overwhelming majority of my appointments are in calls and according to you this was an out call, it should be very easy to figure out who you are, especially since -- again, according to your account -- we spent 45 minutes of you playing with my nipples before you decided to come and send me on my way. This would be very unusual as I always give my clients a massage to start out unless they are fairly adament about not wanting one OR unless spontaneity -- which I realize some on this board would prefer to believe I'm incapable of -- takes us in another direction. So I'm sure the sight of your email address or, if you made the appointment by phone (which would make it more unusual still), the sound of your voice should immediately jog my memory, especially if you throw in a few details, since the circumstances you're describing would tend to set this appointment apart from how I usually conduct myself.

 

"I know you said you had an okay time, but if you truly felt I was 'the only one having fun' and that you 'heard a chime, and the receipt printing' as I was leaving, well, that doesn't sound like a very okay time to me. It sounds like the only thing I did right was to avoid kicking you in the shins. So please, make yourself known to me. If you do that, I'll apologize to you both publicly and privately, and figure out a way to get you your money back. Then you can call up one of those great $120 guys and have 1.5-2 hours' worth of unsolicited blowjobs :+ on me. You'll have fun; we'll put this past us; and people will know that I do care about righting whatever wrongs I can.

 

"If you don't, well, I guess we can all draw our our conclusions about that. But I am dead serious about offering you as big a refund as you want up to the full cost of the session if you convince me you're for real."

[Guest DevonSFescort]

LOL -- what do you mean IF you were him? Welcome to the message center, "lemongrass."

[global_one03]

$500.00 for an hour outcall. ALbeit it is Kevin Williams but I bet he is not any better in bed than the rest. Barrett Long $350.00 an hour for an outcall. I think these guys need a reality check. Can imagine too many people are willing to pay that kind of cash for an hours fun, or would they? Porn Stars or not, I think it has gone to their head!