Taking Control of Escort Rates

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Proverbial Ten Foot Pole

 

Escorts are a luxery item, PERIOD.

 

You do not negotiate for services (i.e. plumbers, lawyers, maids, or dentist). You might shop around for a dentist or a plumber on the basis of who has better rate and I fully agree that the most expensive plumber, barber, lawyer or dentist is not necessarily the best in the business or the best for a particular client.

 

I think the concern which some escorts might have to negotiation of rates is how the client brings the issue up. I have had clients tell me they did not think my rate was reasonable and I have, out of curiousity, asked them what they felt was reasonable, only to have them come back to me and state: well escort _____ only charged me $____." I have responded to clients such as this with my standard response: I do not negotiate my one hour rate.

 

On the other hand, I have other clients contact me and talk to me about a financial downturn they recently had (for example, unexpected auto mechanical work), and thus having to cancel an appointment with me. I have then offered to work with them. However, I do not do this with new clients. I occassional offer both prospective new client and existing clients the potential of a weekday daytime rate for IN calls only.

 

I think telling an escort: I would like to book you but can only afford to pay $200 (or $180) an hour is a good way to contact someone initially and thus, the escort can respond that either he is not available or however other polite manner he would like to decline the client's offer.

 

DUDE! SWEET!

 

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[VaHawk]

I never once said anything about a boycott. I feel my post only discussed my opinion on the issue of whether price equates to quality. I believe the topic was centered on how that applies to escort hourly rates.

 

Seems like every one who posted, stuck to the topic, except you, who used it as an excuse to launch an assault on Benjamin and in turn on those who like him and have no qualms about voicing their support.

 

But then again, that has always been your mo, whether you have posted as lighthouse, ad rian or axehabia. So why are we considered the ones with multiple personality disorder?

 

I won't waste the time to refute every one of the individual items in your attack, because that has been done more than once in the past, by myself and others. Besides, Benjamin seems more than able to handle himself. He really does not need to respond to your demands to answer your same old attacking questions as his reputation, honesty and customer satisfaction are enough of a testimonial.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Spemding A Million Dollars on Prostitutes?

 

Prostitution arrest made in Kalispell

By MICHAEL JAMISON of the Missoulian

 

 

 

Noted businessman charged as investigation continues

 

KALISPELL - A longtime Kalispell businessman was arrested Wednesday and charged with hiring prostitutes, and police say he may have paid women upward of $1 million for sexual relations.

 

The yearlong investigation into Dick Dasen, 61, is not yet closed, said Kalispell Chief of Police Frank Garner.

 

 

"This could turn out to be a whole lot more complicated than it appears on the surface," he said.

 

Just how complicated depends in part on what sort of evidence police recover from three search warrants served Wednesday. Late in the day, officers were still combing through files at Dasen's home, as well as at his offices at Budget Finance and Southfield Towers.

 

Dasen is well-known in Kalispell, having helped build local landmarks such as the Outlaw Inn.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Spemding A Million Dollars on Prostitutes?

 

Great. There goes the Kalispell market. ;( :+

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>The problem Ben is that escorts who don't state their hourly/daily

>rates or give any indication of the types of appointments that

>they undertake (except for noting the months long waiting

>list)publicly are almost a sure bet to inflate their rates.

>Most of us here would probably agree that a yellow flag goes

>up when an escort won't state his rates. Funny isn't it that

>you had no hesitation of putting your horly rate on your site

>when you burst onto the seen here as a fresh-faced twink, but

>now as you have matured, transparency seems to bother you so

>much. I still can't figure out how Vahawk's boycott does not

>apply to you.

 

You know, I used to wonder about that myself. I don't feel like I could get away with not posting rates; I'd hate the hassle of having to always tell what they are; and for awhile I was unsure as to the what the value of the policy was. But if I am not mistaken Benjamin's educational background is in communications, which suggests to me that he knows a thing or two about how to create buzz (a suggestion which is borne out by the buzz he generates on this site). "Yellow flags" can effectively serve as part of that buzz by making the escort that much more mysterious. Every minute one spends wondering why Benjamin doesn't post his rates is a minute one spends thinking about Benjamin, and if I were Benjamin ("No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" Benjamin screams in horror :o ) that would suit me just fine. Better yet, when the yellow flag IS raised, many clients, most enthusiastically VaHawk, who is (it keeps getting better) freqently a voice of skepticism on this board, rush to fire off a spirited defense of Benjamin and an assurance that he's worth every penny they spend, however many pennies they add up to. Based not only on the many posts I've seen praising him but conversations I've had with clients of his I can only believe that Benjamin is well aware of the flip side of buzz: the goods need to be there to back it up. My request to Benjamin: if you do write that "how to" book -- and I agree that it's time for one, especially in the new economic era -- include a chapter on "the art of the yellow flag" or how to create buzz. It goes without saying that you wouldn't leave out the part about delivering on that buzz.

[Guest LG320126]

I guess I am fortunate to live here in Ohio where I can get all the top-notch, hot, cute twinks I want for $150 or less and overnights for $500-$600. This does not, however preclude me from lavishing a little luxury on myself should I so desire and hire an escort who pushes my envelope and charges more than I am used to paying. Besides the locals I hire, I have had the pleasure of an overnight with SmallTownJohn, weekends with the irreplaceable Stef(now retired)and more recently a weekend with the current creme de la creme, Benjamin Nicholas. I would not trade one minute I shared with any of them and to me, the product was worth the price.

 

Long story short, if you can't afford the escort of your choice, don't go into the MC and start running your mouth, just hire someone who better fits into your economic picture and enjoy it.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Deciding What You Want to Spend$$$

 

The title of this thread is a misnomer. You can decide what amount you're willing to spend and try to negotiate with escorts who you think are charging too much. You may have some that will take you up on your offer and others who won't. So, really, the only thing of which you're in control is the max you're willing to shell out. I don't negotiate my rates, except for additional hours past the initial first hour. I've had potential clients call and say that they only have $120, when my rate is $150 and I politely tell them to give me a call back when they have the correct amount. Some guys who wanted to pay less have called back, made appts. and paid my going rate. My experience has been that most of these discount-hunting clients are usually high-maintenance, demanding and aren't worth the trouble seeing again.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Boston Guy]

RE: Deciding What You Want to Spend$$$

 

>The title of this thread is a misnomer. You can decide what

>amount you're willing to spend and try to negotiate with

>escorts who you think are charging too much. You may have some

>that will take you up on your offer and others who won't. So,

>really, the only thing of which you're in control is the max

>you're willing to shell out.

 

Jeff,

 

With all due respect, that's not quite true. There are lots of other grounds for negotiation:

 

* How much time to spend together. I'm often willing to spend much more than $200 -- but not on an hourly basis. There is a very significant difference between not wanting to spend more than $200 for an hour of time and not wanting to spend more than $200 in total.

 

* What time to meet. In some cities -- particularly LA, in my experience -- some escorts are very willing to talk about price if you're willing to meet them in the afternoon or at some other time of their choosing. Whenever I'm flexible on time, I always let the other guy know.

 

* What day to meet. It's my distinct impression that Friday night at 9:00 PM is worth more to most escorts than Tuesday afternoon at 2:00 pm. Here again, flexibility can play into a crafting a package that makes everyone happy.

 

* What else is included. One example would be offering to take the escort to dinner at a nice restaurant. Everyone has to eat and some guys enjoy going out to good restaurants. Some guys are happy to accept an invitation to dinner as part of a casual "package" and others say that sharing dinner would simply increase the price because it would represent extra time spent together. In the latter cases, I explain kindly that I'm more than willing to bring a good book to the restaurant instead. I don't get offended if someone wants to bill by the hour for every hour spent and respect their attempt to maximize their business revenue. I simply won't pay to have someone else at the dinner table. I think the key here is a prior relationship. I wouldn't expect an escort to jump at sharing a meal with someone they haven't met before, unless it was part of a multi-hour engagement.

 

* What you bring to the table. This can't really be part of a discussion with someone you haven't met before. But if you're an easy-going guy who's easy and fun to be with, it may be easier for an escort to come up with a "package" that's good for both of you than with someone who's really a pain in the ass to be with.

 

Jeff, you've been an escort for a long time and seem happy and contented. That's quite a lot to be thankful for and I respect your success. I'm not even slightly trying to criticise how you run your business or others run theirs. All I'm saying is that I've found that a friendly negotiation with an escort can often lead to an agreement that both parties are quite happy with.

 

Regards,

BG

[Boston Guy]

>Maybe I just haven't become jaded enough to see it as okay to

>negotiate an escort down in price over his services.

>

>My thinking is that if you can't afford $300 a hour, find a

>$150 an hour guy. If $300 an hour honestly is too high for you

>- and that escort isn't getting any takers, the price will

>drop.

>

>But having said that, there are also people in this business

>who will remain, I believe, impervious to those on here who

>either negotiate rates with an escort - or simply refuse to

>hire higher-rate escorts.

>

>Benjamin, is one of them.

>

>There will always be us wealthy individuals who really want to

>spend some quality time with a companion - and we're more than

>happy to pay whatever rate is specified. (And, in many cases,

>more.)

>

 

Frankly, the above reads to me exactly as if it were written by a reasonably young escort. I've spent many an hour surrounded by people of wealth and have never once heard someone talk about "us wealthy individuals." And it's been my observation that my wealthier friends are far more likely to insist on value for money paid for any kind of service -- and to want to negotiate on price -- than those other friends with fewer resources.

 

I've met many escorts and like and respect many of the guys I've met. Some have become true friends.

 

But implying that a "$300 an hour guy" is somehow necessarily better than an "150 an hour guy" is simply not born out by the facts, at least in my experience. Some escorts are more sophisticated in their marketing and sometimes come to believe their own marketing. But that has little to do with the value they actually bring to the transaction.

 

BG

[Boston Guy]

RE: The Proverbial Ten Foot Pole

 

>Escorts are a luxery item, PERIOD.

>

>You do not negotiate for services (i.e. plumbers, lawyers,

>maids, or dentist). You might shop around for a dentist or a

>plumber on the basis of who has better rate and I fully agree

>that the most expensive plumber, barber, lawyer or dentist is

>not necessarily the best in the business or the best for a

>particular client.

>

 

Oh, dear. I hope you don't mean to imply that plumbers, lawyers and dentists are luxury items :-) ... maids, well, okay, you've got me there. But, seriously, you don't negotiate for services that you purchase??? For heaven's sake, why not?

 

I just purchased a new car and, of course, negotiated the price. I purchased a new insurance policy for it and negotiated the price. I hired a carpenter to do some work for me and negotiated the price. Whenever I hire a lawyer -- especially lawyers!! -- I negotiate the price. When I book a hotel room, I negotiate the price.

 

If you don't negotiate the price, you're paying top dollar for everything -- often unnecessarily. Most negotiations take just a few minutes and are often as simple as asking for a better price. Done respectfully, negotiations will often yield a better deal for both parties.

 

People who aren't used to negotiating think of it as demeaning and use terms like "haggling" or "nickeling down". That only highlights their inexperience. A good negotiation allows both parties to walk away feeling like they just gained something valuable.

 

If you buy a house, do you pay the asking price???

 

I agree that there are some things that are hard to negotiate. It's hard to get the electric company to negotiate its price for electricity -- unless you're buying a lot of electricity, in which case it's easy. But many services are negotiable.

 

My local car wash charges $15 per wash. Two days ago, I asked them if they had a discount program. The manager said "Sure: pay me in advance for eight car washes and I'll give you two for free." I happily accepted -- and saved $30. Since I get the car washed once or twice a week, it was a good deal for me. And he's happy because he knows that he's got a happy, repeat customer.

 

He wasn't offended when I asked the question and I wouldn't have been offended if he laughed and said "No way!" In fact, I was rather surprised by his answer. But it just proved once again that even a simple negotiation -- this one was just a question and a response -- can result in a good deal for both parties.

 

 

>I think the concern which some escorts might have to

>negotiation of rates is how the client brings the issue up. I

>have had clients tell me they did not think my rate was

>reasonable and I have, out of curiousity, asked them what they

>felt was reasonable, only to have them come back to me and

>state: well escort _____ only charged me $____." I have

>responded to clients such as this with my standard response: I

>do not negotiate my one hour rate.

>

 

How a negotiation is initiated and how it is conducted is crucial to its success. Respect for the other party's needs is critical to achieving success.

 

Kind Regards,

BG

[Boston Guy]

Devon,

 

Many thanks for the kind words. I, too, have enjoyed the conversations we've had here over the years. You bring a classy kind of intellect to the Message Center and your contributions reflect a caring, thinking guy behind the words.

 

I am amazed that your rates result from things that I posted here (what must have been two years ago!) but I'm happy to hear that what has worked for me as a client has also worked for you on the other side of the table. It just goes to show once again how much we all have in common.

 

BG

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: Deciding What You Want to Spend$$$

 

BG, my comments were really about the initial contact with an escort, not about negotiations that may occur later. I do negotiate appts. that are more than an hour long, overnight appts., travel appts. and dinner appts. I don't charge for my time if a client wants to take me out for dinner/lunch, some escorts do, but most that I know don't.

 

WARNING: Franco-esque Ramblings Ahead!;-)

 

I turned down a potential client last night, because of a last minute inquiry about a discount, simply because it pissed me off. He'd e-mailed Sunday saying that he was on his way to Columbus, would be here a few days, where he was staying and that he would not have his laptop with him, could I please give him a long-distance call at his cell #. I called and left my availability and my #. He called Tuesday, turns out he'd found me on this site, but couldn't remember a thing about me, ok...so I gave him all the details. He asked,

"What if you get here and I don't think it's going to work out", I told him that's not been a problem and many clients have told me that I look better than my pics. I hate this question, so, strike 1. We set up a tentative appt. for 9pm Weds. evening. He was to call me at my gym to confirm. As I was leaving the gym at 7:50pm, he calls. Launches into something about how he'd talked to some other escorts and was wondering what my fee would be if he wanted to see me for more than an hour, do I discount for additional hours. At this point, I was just tired of the whole thing and wanted nothing more to do with him. He hadn't said a word the previous night about anything more than an hour. I decided that I really didn't want to spend even ONE hour with this guy. I lied and said I was available for 1 hour only, that was it and if he wanted to set up a 2-3 appt. in the future he'd have to give me more of a heads up. Blah, blah, blah, just make up your damned mind so I can come over and fuck your ass already. I like clients who don't treat this as some sort of major life decision. Perhaps it was just my mood or perhaps my gut instincts were right about him, who knows?

 

I suppose that because I often try to make my appts. as much like a "real" date that I tend to like to keep discussions regarding money to a minimum. Having said all that, I DO agree that some escorts do

seem to over-estimate their worth. Perhaps they expect to haggle, I don't know, but I know I've always kept my rates affordable and never raised my rates on my more regular clients and it's worked quite well for me.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Negotiators

 

>>Escorts are a luxery item, PERIOD.

>>

>>You do not negotiate for services (i.e. plumbers, lawyers,

>>maids, or dentist). You might shop around for a dentist or a

>>plumber on the basis of who has better rate and I fully

>agree

>>that the most expensive plumber, barber, lawyer or dentist

>is

>>not necessarily the best in the business or the best for a

>>particular client.

>>

>

>Oh, dear. I hope you don't mean to imply that plumbers,

>lawyers and dentists are luxury items :-) ... maids, well,

>okay, you've got me there.

 

 

No, I meant escorts are luxery items. Then, I started a new paragraph and talked about negotiating for services rendered. I was not talking about negotiating for the purchase of a home, a car, or an insurance policy, or hotel rooms. Those are goods, not services.

 

But, seriously, you don't

>negotiate for services that you purchase??? For heaven's

>sake, why not?

 

When I have stayed in Palm Springs, I have discussed with the restort managers and owners what specials or rates they may offer. I have often stated that I repeatedly come to Palm Springs and when I have been offered discounted rates or other specials (such as three nights for the price of two), I have often made it a point to both recommending (assuming the physical plant was also acceptable) that establishing and booking myself into it in the future. So, yes, I do in fact, look for goods and services at the least amount of expenditure possibles. However, as you state elsewhere here, BG, I do not call a hotel up and say, "I can only pay $75" when their stated rate is $99 a night. As you suggested with your examples of off peak times for escorts, and what else is brought to the table, etc.

 

>Whenever I hire a lawyer --

>especially lawyers!! -- I negotiate the price. When I book a

>hotel room, I negotiate the price.

 

If you were hiring a lawyer to prepare an agreement or write a will, this might follow logically. If you were hiring a lawyer to make an appearance for you at an arraignment, some lawyers might offer you a lower hourly rate than others, but rarely if ever, will they negotiate their hourly rate. Likewise, a plumber you telephone to come to repair a leak is not going to negotiate his hourly rate to come out to repair it as a carpenter might negotiate in an entire bid on the construction of your new kitchen cabinets.

 

I do not want to get into a rambling "Francoesque" discussion, particularly back and forth. I think we (Boston Guy and a number of the other clients here) are on similar ground.

[Guest Utopia]

I don't understand why so many here feel that quality is based on cost. I don't understand why some feel that negotiating with an escort is not unlike breaking some tablet that Moses might have carried. I don't understand why some attack an escorts scheduling.

 

As I mentioned before I have not found quality to have anything to do with fee. In fact, if I were to really analyze it (assuming I had the stats to do so) my hunch is that the lower fee escort probably offered superior quality than his higher fee counterpart.

 

In life we negotiate just about everything. You might not be aware of it yet you're doing it. Even negotiating traffic to get from one point to another. If an escort becomes offended because I suggest a lower rate then I don't want anything to do with that high maintenance escort who probably will be more of a problem than fun. I need to add that when I speak of negotiating I'm not talking like buying a car guys. I am only saying there is absolutely nothing wrong with making a polite counteroffer. By the way (to Jeff) if the escorts accepts I have taken control of his rates. If the escorts says no then I would move on. So far no one has said no I am sure it will happen and I have no plans to harass him about his fee or make judgments about him based on his fee.

 

Escorts are self employed. They have a right to set schedules how they wish. If they want to only do overnights that is cool with me. Naturally I wouldn't hire them but it is their choice on what time frames they want to work. If their business supports it great. If it doesn't then most likely they'll change their schedules. Just like escort rates, if business supports it cool, if not they will lower their fees.

 

A few other items covered in this thread that I want to comment on. I will not hire an escort who doesn't publish his fees. He could be charing client X 1000. and me 1500. I find no buzz in not publishing your fees and the only mystery is what is he hiding? I'm not just referring to those who claim Ben doesn't state his fee, as i don't even know I never checked. There are many guys who don't put their fees with their ads. I email them using my infamous duel email system and at times find different fees for same services.

 

Yeah I cannot afford to pay $500. for a McDonald's value meal, that doesn't mean it's a good idea or the right thing to do . I have taken control of escorts rates. I have decided that fees are out of sight and if they want my business then we will find a happy middle. If not I simply move on.

 

BTW BG 98% of your comments in this thread are right on the money. Thanks for being here.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I am amazed that your rates result from things that I posted

>here (what must have been two years ago!) but I'm happy to

>hear that what has worked for me as a client has also worked

>for you on the other side of the table.

 

Full disclosure: at the time I saw it as a good way to take the sting out of a rate increase on the first hour (back then I'd been charging a flat $150/hour, by simultaneously decreasing the cost of the second). It just goes to show how the ideas and info we post here can used by others in, um, unexpected ways. Which is half the fun.

[Guest mondo]

Since I have accepted my Asian twink friend, I don't hire very much anymore. But when I do I always look for quality and value. I cannot say that I would only pay a specific amount. Though I do not have any issue asking an escort if he can be flexible with his fee if I feel it's too high. If he does I don't think I will be cheated out of quality. If I did I wouldn't hire him.

 

I want to make a quick comment on Devon and Franco. Neither turns me on at all but I love their input in the message center. They both always seem to add a balanced and informative view.

[Guest lighthouse]

I don't doubt that the business strategy can, and has been, succesful for a limited period. However, over time markets tend to correct themselves. There is always a lag between the change in escort's performance and their reviews here and elsewhere. Eventually, all escorts get judged by the same standards and reviews become more realistic. Economists might call that the "product life cycle". Just last night, I was looking at the site of an Amsterdam-based escort who once had a similar marketing strategy to Ben, but I detected a distinct change in marketing technique and tone now that he has hit 23! Don't get me wrong, I wish all the best to Ben and his satisfied customers, but I for one, based on my own experience, would not pay an exorbitant price for an escort for whom I have to stand in line months in advance. There is just too much other value for the money out there in this industry for that to make sense to me.

[Trixie]

RE: The Negotiators

 

Negotiation is, to my mind, simply good business, especially if your business is one that is easily swayed by the economy. Franco stated that he would not call a hotel, ask for the rate of a room, and then counter-offer, but I know very few people these days who are willing to pay the face price of airline tickets, hotel rooms, rental cars... . The whole tourism industry has been transformed into an internet market wherein buyers and sellers haggle over pricing, almost like a bazaar in Damascus.

And I think the escort industry is very much akin to the tourism industry.

There is a top eschelon of escorts out there, certainly, whose bread and butter are provided for by a select number of repeat clients. This is, I would think, the absolutely most juicy position to be in, and the aspiration of every escort.

There is a second grade of escorts, who although they may not be able to rely completely on the business of regulars, maintain a very high profile of reputation, and are in constant demand. This is a really good, although somewhat more precarious slot to be in.

I believe that the rest of the boys out there, despite what their "published" pricing might be, are quite willing to give a little on their fares.

Moreso, they shouldn't pretend to be affronted if they're asked to do so, especially if they are relatively unknown, and placing themselves in the 200DPH category.

A lot of guys get into this business thinking they're going to be on Easy Street, making lots of money simply by being adorable and pretty. They really have no idea what being a "sex worker" means and they don't last long in the business.

There's nothing bad about bargaining, but it all depends on what one wants. If one wants a Franco diSantis or a Small Town John, specifically, then one should be prepared to pay whatever their asking price is. If one is looking for something a little less specific, then bargaining and shopping-around may well help one find a great time at a reasonable (and mutuably agreeable) price.

Trix

[VaHawk]

Great post. Thanks for not accusing me of being a BN cheerleader as others have done and continue to do so.

 

Sure, Benjamin has a marketing/business background and that is an asset for him in identifying/marketing himself to a specific segment of the escort market. Why others have to criticize him for that is really beyond my comprehension. If he is not what your criteria is for hiring an escort, then just move on, as I'm sure you can find someone who meets your criteria. There really is absolutely no need to slam either Benjamin or his clients.

 

I am, believe it or not, a gullible fool, subject to insincere marketing stratgies. IMO, BN in turn, is not someone out to falsely misrepresent his services in some kind of advertising campaign. He is honest in his marketing, his delivery of services as advertised and I am eternally greatful that I am part of the client market that he has targeted!

 

Thanks Benjamin!

[Guest Utopia]

RE: The Negotiators

 

>Negotiation is, to my mind, simply good business, especially

>if your business is one that is easily swayed by the economy.

>Franco stated that he would not call a hotel, ask for the rate

>of a room, and then counter-offer, but I know very few people

>these days who are willing to pay the face price of airline

>tickets, hotel rooms, rental cars... .

 

Great point Trix. This is why priceline, hotwire and orbitz to name a few are such large companies. Using your example I might not call a hotel and be quoted $200. a night and counter with $150. What I probably would do is ask about discounts, whether they accept a card like AAA for 10% off or even if they have a special late check in rate. I have even asked how full they are and if they are empty I have in the past asked if they could suggest a place in my price range. A few times the hotel gave me a on the spot discount.

 

Negotiations are not a negative they can be a win - win. Someone here, don't recall who, made fun of Ethan for offering a special daytime rate (or something like that) maybe it was a cancellation rate special. In any case Ethan was being a great business person, not lowering his value.

 

OK I will shut up for a bit now .

[Guest Wood worker]

>Hmmm...maybe Priceline.com can add escorts to their category

>of wares. ;-) ;-)

>

>

>Jack in SF

>415-303-0221

>man2man4u40@hotmail.com

>http://www.gaydar.co.uk/man2man4u40

 

Hmm...do ya think they'll have William Shatner doing the ads?

[BobbyThompson]

If you don't mind, I'd like to state my point of view. Everyone's making some really valid points, however, the thread is a little disheartening. People are writing about us as if we're cars to be haggled over or an item at an antique store that can be bargained down. You know what, we're not cars or vases or hotel rooms: we're people.

 

The buyer/seller relationship that everyone seems to be likening it to is slightly skewed. Through escorting, I've met a best friend and many others I put on friendship level. I choose escorting because I am my own boss, I get to choose when I work, with whom I'm comfortable with, and what my rate is. With that freedom can cause relationship strain, major social handicaps, prejudice, secrecy, and countless other things that can come with the lifestyle. That is why not everyone can be an escort and that is why rates are high. These are external issues that we can not control. People who provide other services don't have to deal with those pressures.

 

The tradeoff I think is worth *more* than $200-300/hour, but as that is the standard and that is what we charge. Dropping all pretense, with what we are selling, we should be able to make a good living from it. There are other avenues outside of M4M if you choose to explore them, but it is unlikely that the Kristians, Benjamins and Tristan Waters' are going to be there.

 

I've been reading this thread all day and while my original reaction was not to touch it with even *your* computer, I'm just surprised that none of the other escorts have brought it up. Be well everyone and love to all my friends.

 

Bobby

[VaHawk]

That should have said I am not, believe it or not. I hate having to repost this, but I'm sure there are a lot of posters out there who make this clarification necessary.

[woodlawn]

Whenever we have a thread on this subject one or more escorts always shows up to give us a bunch of reasons why it's in everyone's best interest for clients to pay escorts more money, and this thread is no exception. If this message board was about the petroleum industry, we'd have posters from Exxon telling us that what the world really needs now is higher oil prices. So it goes.

[Guest jeffOH]

>By the way (to Jeff) if the escorts accepts I

>have taken control of his rates.

 

Sorry Utopia, but I will continue to disagree. The escort STILL has the final word by either accepting or declining your offer. All you can do is decide what you're willing to spend, make your offer and then a TRUE measure of control is exercised by the escort in his decision to accept or decline the offer. Control would imply that the escort must accept any offer you made, then you'd be in "control of escorts" rates".

 

>I have taken control of escorts rates.

 

The definition of "control": to regulate, to direct, to exercise authority over, to restrain.

 

You can control what you want to spend. When you say, "I have taken control of escorts rates", it's simply NOT true. You haven't taken control of my rates or the many other escorts I know who also DON'T negotiate for the first-time, 1-hour appt. For whatever reason, you have some sort of need to feel that you're in the catbird seat. I don't understand why, but go on telling yourself that and see how "in control of escorts' rates" you are when your offer is turned down flat.

Your "control" begins and ends with you and your own decision as to what you're willing to spend.

 

I got into escorting because I was tired of working for "the man" and wanted my "job" to be as stress-free as possible. I exercised "control" with the client I mentioned above, because I decided he was too tedious for me and I put the brakes on the whole thing. I also exercise "control" when I decline offers for $100 for "just a blowjob" or "just 1/2 hour". If I see a client who's too high-maintenance, I simply don't see them again. Once again, I'm exercising "control" over my business. If I don't want to do something with a client, I exercise "control" and don't do it. I decide what my time's worth, if I want to continue to see the client and when I'm available to see the client.

 

JEFF

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