To Pay or Not To Pay?...You Be the Judge and Jury

[Boston Guy]

Games of deception are for children

 

Quite simply, if true, this episode speaks volumes about your character. If it's not true, that would also speak to your character. In either event, you're guilty of playing games with the emotions of other people and of practicing deception.

 

You are not someone I would care to know or associate with.

 

BG

[Guest alanm]

Like many others, I really do not believe this story ever happened.

Escorts whom I have met talk about society's disapproval of what they do for a living. If the story is true, the conversation must have been very intimate at the point the escort revealed his profession.

In turn, the client should have spoken up and revealed his identity.

I do not think the escort deserves to be paid, but the client's

behavior was less than honorable.

[Huey]

Huey's verdict: Not a true story though very entertaining

[Guest]

>Why didn't you tell the escort who you were when you first

>met? This bothers me more than the escort cancelling the

>appointment.

 

Well, I guess that the original poster didn't tell the escort at the onset because he wanted to get free nookie. He was under no obligation to tell the escort. The escort's behavior is more troublesome to me. First, he had sex shortly before a planned appointment. I'm sorry, but that's got to affect performance. Second, he blew off (so to speak) his client without any notice and for no valid reason. This showed (a) lack of concern for the client's feelings, and (b) lack of need for money.

[Guest Utopia]

Unicorn I agree about 99%. The escort is to blame in this little made up game. He blew a client off with no notice and no valid reason, the escort willingly had sex with the potential client obviously finding his attractive and wanted to spend time with him. The client though is to blame because he never should have told the escort who he was. The only reason for this was to bait him on.

[Flower]

RE: Games of deception are for children

 

I agree. I never believed this scenario when I read it this AM and still don't.

 

If it did happen, however, then he was not only a fool for playing back the VM to his dates face, but an arrogant, insensitive ass to boot.

 

For whatever reason, assuming again the story true, Mikel should have been totally complimented that he blew off an unknown client and the money it represented to spend more time with Mikel; but for his reward, Mikel shit on him.

 

The fact that Mikel hires at least some of his sex might indicate he should treat these opportunities as more special--assuming he liked the guy, which from his post seemed to be a given.

 

The canceling of the escort date was purely impersonal--he was unaware that he had met Mikel, so not a personal slam, just a professional poor judgment call. But the reason he did it was personal to both the escort and Mikel--he liked Mikel and his company, and valued it more than money. Mikel should not have been put down personally by the former and should have been complimented by the latter, and should have had the common sense and good grace not to play the VM to him. Obviously he lacks both.

 

So, if your story is true, then my New Year's wish for MIKEL is this:

That this boi be soooo hot that Mikel can't top thinking about him and crave his company and wants more than anything to be with him, and that this hot boi tells Mikel to fuck off. }(

[Gigiloz4me]

...seems to me you both deserved one another. Sick n' sicker.

[Will]

RE: POWERTRIP?

 

Brava! Now, there's a diva talking. I couldn't agree more.

[Guest Merlin]

RE: Games of deception are for children

 

You clearly do not owe the escort anything. He unfairly cancelled his paying appointment because liked you well enough not to charge. You did nothing dishonest. Obviously he did not ask you if you were his client and you did not tell him you were not, so you did not lie. However, I agree that if you want to meet him again, as a practical matter you need to pay him. By revealing you identy, you made him feel foolish and he is not likely to want to meet you again.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Absurd Notions

 

>>In my opinion, the

>>prospective client should have introduced himself right off

>at

>>the initiation of conversation as the 8:00 p.m. appointment.

>

>Why? I see how the client would have to pay for a contracted

>service, but why would that apply otherwise? Are you

>suggesting that if a prospective client recognizes an escort

>in a club, the client must pay for any consensual but

>non-contractual sex that might ensue?

 

My comments had absolutely nothing to do with payment being due. My comments had absolutely everything to do with appropriate behavior, courtesy, and consideration between two people.

 

As to your other questions, the answer regarding my comments clearly applies.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Games People Play

 

>Unicorn I agree about 99%. The escort is to blame in this

>little made up game.

 

Obviously, both of you (even including Merlin's later comment) are in the minority here. I am, although, especially surprised that any of you found it necessary to assign blame. In many of the posts made here, we only get one person's point of view, one person's listing of what happened. It is clear that this incident, if true, is only reported from one side and that much detail has been left out. It constantly surprises me how quick so many on this site are to either comment, assign blame or criticize the actions where they are not directly involved nor do they directly know all of the facts and circumstances.

[Guest Mikel]

RE: Games People Play

 

A man of substance!

 

Franco...although I may not always agree with your opinions, I have to commend you for being a man of substance. You always make me think and stretch my mind in the process. I mean this sincerely.

 

Now, if I ever connect with you...am I obligated to tell you that I am "Mikel"...or can I just introduce myself as I am in real life? (This sounds like a phone call to Dr. Laura...I don't mean it to!)

 

Keep up the good work

 

Mikel

[Will]

RE: Games People Play

 

Give us a break. Mikel is the one who initiated this thread. He is the one who chose to tell us what he told us. And he is the one who asked our opinions of whether he should or should not have paid. Therefore, Mikel is the one who bears whatever blame there is (and I for one don't think there is any) for whatever you construe as a judgmental or tendentious answer.

 

To put it another way: If you ask a good question, you'll get good answers. If you don't, you won't.

[Guest ortrud45]

Mikel:

 

I just read all the comments and answers of this thread and I noticed

that you are seemingly online:

 

Don't you think it's about time you lower now the zipper of your pants

and prove us that you have some balls, lol}( ... besides being a

game-player!

 

Spill the beens about the outcome of your not so flattering conduct in this story!

I know it might be difficult for you as more criticism may come your way ... better do it now, still during the old year and you can start

the new one with a clean sheet!:7

 

Happy NEW YEAR and have a pleasant evening!

ortrud45

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Oblique

 

>Give us a break. Mikel is the one who initiated this thread.

> He is the one who chose to tell us what he told us. And he

>is the one who asked our opinions of whether he should or

>should not have paid. Therefore, Mikel is the one who bears

>whatever blame there is (and I for one don't think there is

>any) for whatever you construe as a judgmental or tendentious

>answer.

 

What exactly should I give "us" a break from? My point is a simple one and one I find it surprising you would attack.

 

In any number of the comments here, posters are making critical judgments and/or assigning blame, often without giving attention to the fact that only a limited number of facts are present. I am neither defending the unnamed escort nor am I assuming anyone else is at fault. What I would like to see is more objectivity, both in responses and when requests such as this are posted, and that the postings be made with sufficient detail and clarity to provide appropriate responses.

[theDCeBOY]

wow! i'm in complete agreement with axebahia!

[Guest msclonly]

Where is Judge Judy when you need her?

 

If we are not going to receive grades for this Final Exam, it has to be presented to Judge Judy to judicate this sorry case!

 

 

 

[Guest Mikel]

RE: Where is Judge Judy when you need her?

 

Judge Judy is on a holiday vacation!

 

Soon the verdict will be in...please be patient! (You guys are absolutely brutal!!! : ) !)

[Will]

RE: Oblique

 

I wasn't attacking you in the least. And the "us" is all the people you accuse of attacking Mikel and/or the escort. This isn't ethical rocket-science: two people hurt each other in some way and the question, as I understand it, has to do with who initiated the cascade of events that led to the unhappy denouement for both. Thus, I repeat myself by reminding you that Mikel provided everything that he wanted us to know; and ON THAT BASIS he asked us what we thought. Nobody can complain when people, as they always do on this board, jumped into it with both feet.

[Bilbo]

RE: Where is Judge Judy when you need her?

 

I'm also not entirely convinced that this occurred.

 

I went to the flower market to buy some flowers, which were going to be arranged for me that afternoon by a well known florist. While I was at the market, this handsome man whom I recognized as the florist though he had never met me started flirting with me by discussing and then even showing me just how to arrange my bouquet. At what point should I have told him that I was his afternoon's appointment? How much fun would it have been for either of us to let him show up at my apartment to actually arrange the flowers, especially if we had walked up to the front door hand in hand, only to have me pull my key out?

 

Personally, I think that you should have paid him before dinner and told him that that was for the afternoon and that he was more than perfectly welcome to come play with me at 8:00 but that it would be for free. That way you would have gotten to blow his mind and be fair to him at the same time!

[Guest Mikel]

Thanks for your reply.

 

The "outcome" will be p[osted soon. Be patient...by New Years Day! The "delay' is not due to a lack of balls on my part...I got big ones...trust me!

 

Thanks again for your response...

Mikel

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

RE: Oblique

 

>What exactly should I give "us" a break from?

 

From your typical egotistical, snooty, pretentious, condescending, pseudo-intellectual bullshit. The other posters are simply expressing their opinions "based on the information provided." So what.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

RE: Oblique

 

>What exactly should I give "us" a break from?

 

From your typical egotistical, snooty, pretentious, condescending, pseudo-intellectual bullshit. The other posters are simply expressing their opinions "based on the information provided." So what.

[taylorky]

RE: Oblique

 

LOL.............good one LBB.:+

[taylorky]

RE: Oblique

 

LOL.............good one LBB.:+