When an escort posts that he kisses in his ad...

[Kenny]

I recently had virtually the same disappointing experience with Jack Fillmore as the one Jon1265 describes. Sorry, but bait and switch is not acceptable in any transaction.

[Juan Vancouver]

Seems like you're deliberately taking this post to an extreme in order to criticize and start and argument (aka "troll"). The OP's question is about a full disclosure for an escort's stated services, not servitude. Most of what we expect from an escort is expected whether he's "into it" or not, or we expect that he's "into it" under a broader range of conditions than the guys we date or hookup with. If an escort states in his ad that he's a top I wouldn't want to hire him to find out that he only fucks guys with smooth bubble butts or that he meant dry-humping. If he doesn't want to fuck me because of hygiene that's another issue for another thread.

 

I am going to have to disagree here. I was also shocked a little by BaronArtz's vehemence, but I understand his point painfully well. I feel a little sad reading this thread. Even very moderate posters like Purplekow have written the same thing:

 

If a service is advertised then, except with a reasonable explanation, if it is requested, it should be given.

 

What I am reading in most of the post of this thread is:

 

If you say you kiss and I pay you your 250, you MUST kiss the way I understand kissing. Otherwise not only you are lying, but I am also not going to pay you for your services.

 

Last time I checked, this message board is to discuss escorts, not slaves nor prostitutes. I am not trying to euphemize and I am in no way ashamed by the fact that the work I do involves having sex with people, but I do not charge for sex, I don't charge for blowjobs or hand jobs or french. I charge for my time, my devoted, fully present, experienced, prepared time. Once I am with my client it is up to us to navigate intimacy in ways that suit our mutual personalities and our degrees of preparation.

 

You can read the original poster's second thread about it here: http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?102133-When-kissing-is-listed-in-your-ad

 

I love my job. I love doing all the things I list as "likes" in my ad. (Important to note that these are not "services" listed, but "likes". I am not a bakery.) and I will gladly, wantonly do them with every client that I meet that is properly ready for engaging in them. I fucking LOVE to please. Regardless of what you may think their degree of desirability might be, if clients are clean, taste good, are ready and are respectful, they become a super hot lover to me.

 

If someone is not ready, smells bad, has bad breath or continuously keeps attacking me with throat raping tongue, attempting to grab the back of my head to force me to do what they want without paying attention to how I react, I have absolutely no problem on shutting down that activity and looking for alternate ones. If the client says or hints to anything like "I am paying you, you have to_____" I have absolutely no problem politely inviting him to leave.

 

If a man wants to be with another man who will be genuine, enjoy what he does, be excited and present, they are very welcome to meet me and I assure you they are going to have fun.

 

If a man needs someone to do the things they want to do, I am not the right person for them. They need a slave or a wife from the 50's.

 

I have met a couple men from this forum who were befuddled by the fact that I didn't obey them. They even hinted at the fact that they wrote reviews and posted here as a leverage to make me do things they wanted me to do them. If you are like this and are reading this, make sure never to contact me. But if you are looking for a thoughtful, passionate, engaging lover who will love what he is doing with you at every minute, then save my number, and may we meet really soon!

 

It just depends on what kind of interaction you are looking for.

[BaronArtz]

I am going to have to disagree here. I was also shocked a little by BaronArtz's vehemence, but I understand his point painfully well. I feel a little sad reading this thread. Even very moderate posters like Purplekow have written the same thing:

 

 

 

What I am reading in most of the post of this thread is:

 

If you say you kiss and I pay you your 250, you MUST kiss the way I understand kissing. Otherwise not only you are lying, but I am also not going to pay you for your services.

 

Last time I checked, this message board is to discuss escorts, not slaves nor prostitutes. You can read the original poster's second thread about it here: http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?102133-When-kissing-is-listed-in-your-ad

 

 

If someone is not ready, smells bad, has bad breath or continuously keeps attacking me with throat raping tongue, attempting to grab the back of my head to force me to do what they want without paying attention to how I react, I have absolutely no problem on shutting down that activity and looking for alternate ones. If the client says or hints to anything like "I am paying you, you have to_____" I have absolutely no problem politely inviting him to leave.

 

I have met a couple men from this forum who were befuddled by the fact that I didn't obey them. They even hinted at the fact that they wrote reviews and posted here as a leverage to make me do things they wanted me to do them. If you are like this and are reading this, make sure never to contact me. But if you are looking for a thoughtful, passionate, engaging lover who will love what he is doing with you at every minute, then save my number, and may we meet really soon!

 

QUOTE]

 

Those area all excellent points. I wish I had your eloquence to describe it so well. I have seen the long term damage done to well-meaning escorts who have been abused by 'clients' who treat time like slaves, like machines, like pieces of meat that can be bought for a mere $250. And be forced to do things they have no desire of doing - for what? For the risk of a 'bad review'? To be perfectly honest, I am truly DISGUSTED by some of the comments I read on this thread. Nothing but CONTEMPT for you, Jon1265 and Purplekow. You should truly be ashamed of yourselves. You are condemned to a lonely, hopeless, miserable life in which there is no humanity, no compassion and certainly no love.

[jon1265]

There seems to have been a leap made here that somehow my stating that I am spending X amount of dollars for a service, then I now view that person delivering the service as a "machine" or a "slave" and somehow "sub-human." Nothing is further from the truth. I respect and love sex-workers. I have been hiring for the better part of twenty years. I know how to treat an escort whom I am hosting and hope to be intimate with. I am clean (always the classic go-to when a client complains about an escort--"he was dirty, he had bad breath" etc.). I assure that argument goes both ways (I've had escorts with bad breath and who were not clean either). But I digress. I always make sure I spell out what I am into doing and looking for when hiring, and am drawn to ads that state those things. I shower beforehand, brush, gargle, use breathmints, etc. and always create a nice atomosphere and an inviting environment. So let's get that all out of the way. The issue at hand is simply this: if an escort says he kisses, but does not French, then should that be made clear in the ad? I will be much more specific from now on when hiring (French vs. dry), but for me to gamble (a lot of money by the way) if an escort will arrive and then see if he has to be "in the mood" to do those things is not fair to the client.

[+ Gar1eth]

Like Chance, I don't have a dog in the fight, but I guess I'm stunned to find this is such a deal breaker. I guess I'm in an obvious minority, but I've never sought to kiss an escort on the lips because my whole mindset is one of subservience to the escort during the session.

 

 

Kevin- as we've probably all discovered, if not here on the Forum reading what other people like then when actually meeting escorts - or friends or FB's - and finding out that what we thought was 'normal' the other guy doesn't like at all. I was a total virgin regarding sex until I was 41. Along with that I had never French kissed anyone. In fact I thought French kissing sounded gross. Why would I want to stick my tongue in someone else's mouth- or vice versa. Who knew where that tongue or mouth had been. Thank gosh the 1st escort I was with- who initiated me into sex- liked to kiss and was able to coach me on how to kiss. I remember the goose bumps he gave me by kissing my neck and my ears as well as by sticking his tongue into deep my mouth searching towards non-existent tonsils.

 

As for what you like- well while I don't mind an escort being mildly assertive, I don't want to be dominated- and usually

I don't want to dominate ( there are occasions though ). I'd like for an escort to make me feel good- and usually I want to make the escort feel good, if I can.

 

 

Since then- there have been multiple escorts who physically

I would have loved to have met. But, and in many cases it's been difficult to say because physically they are exactly my type, but I have said 'no' to them when I find out they don't kiss.

 

To sum it up- I guess the way to think about it is that the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some. It takes different strokes to move the world.

 

Gman

[Juan Vancouver]

Dear Jon,

 

You sound like a nice guy and I am really happy that you are considerate enough to go through all those basic minimum hygiene requirements before meeting an escort. I just have two things I can share.

 

Around 80 percent of people with bad breath simply can't tell they have it. Even after brushing and preparing carefully. It has happened to all of us. If at any moment during a session your lover (escort or not) seems reluctant to kiss, politely ask if you should brush your teeth, mouthwash or take a mint. You might find many are really afraid of hurting your feelings by asking that, but if you do, it's just easier.

 

Now to respond your question directly, I will say "It depends." If you are meeting a prostitute, who charges a certain amount of money for certain sexual activities, if you pay your 20, I would say you are definitely entitled to your blowjob. I am going to take a stab in the dark and assume you are in The States. If that is the case, prostitution is illegal for many reasons.

 

Now, if you are meeting with an escort, a professional companion who charges for his time and his expertise, then kissing, fucking, dancing or pretty much every other activity will depend on whether you are able, prepared and polite.

 

I would like to bring your attention to the fact that the "likes" section in an ad or the activities listed in a review are not a menu out of which you can buy at your discretion. They are a guideline of what the escort enjoys and excels at, and given the chance will be able to enjoy with you.

 

My recommendation is that every time you contact an escort you should be clear with him and say something like: "Listen, I absolutely must have French kissing the way I like it. If you don't French kiss me the way I want you to French kiss me, I will not pay you". I don't see absolutely anything wrong with this approach and I think you will be spared many bitterly wasted hours. God knows I would be thrilled if you contacted me with an email like this.

 

Some guys will jump at the chance and will be glad to have your business, and some others will know right off the bat that you are not a good match.

 

Win win situation.

 

Wishing you toe curling, slurping, mind blowing French kissing... or in whatever way you like it! =)

[Philly50]

Around 80 percent of people with bad breath simply can't tell they have it. Even after brushing and preparing carefully. It has happened to all of us.

 

Flossing and using a tongue scraper are among the most effective and simplest means of fighting bad breath.

 

And while it's a bit cumbersome to use at first, the Profresh system just can't be beat.

 

http://www.profresh.com/

 

An additional benefit of Profresh is that it keeps plaque from forming, thus producing very quick and painless dentist visits.

[Juan Vancouver]

Flossing and using a tongue scraper are among the most effective and simplest means of fighting bad breath.

 

And while it's a bit cumbersome to use at first, the Profresh system just can't be beat.

 

http://www.profresh.com/

 

An additional benefit of Profresh is that it keeps plaque from forming, thus producing very quick and painless dentist visits.

 

That is really good advise, however it is important to remember that even after doing all that there is always a chance that our breath is not up to par. Systemic and gastrointestinal problems might still be giving us halitosis. Teeth and or throat infections, garlic, you name it.

 

All I am trying to say is make sure you are not one of those people adamant that they have impecable breath, while everyone around them is ducking for cover.

 

It has happened to all of us.

 

Big hug!

 

Juan

[Nvr2Thick]

I am going to have to disagree here. I was also shocked a little by BaronArtz's vehemence, but I understand his point painfully well. I feel a little sad reading this thread. Even very moderate posters like Purplekow have written the same thing:

 

 

 

What I am reading in most of the post of this thread is:

 

If you say you kiss and I pay you your 250, you MUST kiss the way I understand kissing. Otherwise not only you are lying, but I am also not going to pay you for your services.

 

What I'm reading in the original post is something completely different. I think that your characterization of "you MUST kiss the way understand kissing" is nonsense. Of all the potential acts one can advertise as an escort or seek as a client this one, kissing, has some ambiguity. The OP has asked if escorts should clarify. He was also clear that he understood when an escort doesn't kiss because of hygiene issues. This post was about whether an escort should be upfront if he does not french kiss with client ever -- if it's not in his repertoire ever.

 

I hire top men because I like to get fucked. Let's suppose I find an escort who states that he is a top in his ad, and I screen him and say I'd be expecting him to top me if we schedule a session. If, when we meet, this escort then states "I don't fuck; I'm a top for oral only" it's deliberate deception. If he states "I'm not up for fucking with every client; and it's not something I can do" or "you've got a messy ass" we're in different territory. In the first scenario it's not an aborted attempt at slavery or servitude if I choose to end the session. I attempt to respect the escort's discretion if he doesn't want to talk in graphic terms about fucking when we're discussing a session, but he should be up front about what he's willing to consider vs. what types of interaction are not ever offered.

 

In the case of kissing escorts should be honest. As an escort you know damn well that when a client asks about kissing he's not talking about the way Rock Hudson touched lips to Doris Day. If an escort says that he kisses when he has no intention of wet kissing with a client that escort is abusing ambiguity in order to deceive the client. It's not about "the way I understand kissing"; it's about differentiating between an act you know everyone expects and an act that no one really wants. Unfortunately both of those acts fall under the same name.

 

Both the contemptuous and the polite discussion about how the OP is demanding service miss the point. His scenario was not about pay for performance; it was about whether the escort honestly set expectations up front.

 

Hijacking the thread to talk about hygiene is unfortunate. It's an interesting topic, but it's beside the point. Threads drift all the time, but the OP put some thought into framing the discussion.

[Juan Vancouver]

What I'm reading in the original post is something completely different. I think that your characterization of "you MUST kiss the way understand kissing" is nonsense. Of all the potential acts one can advertise as an escort or seek as a client this one, kissing, has some ambiguity. The OP has asked if escorts should clarify. He was also clear that he understood when an escort doesn't kiss because of hygiene issues. This post was about whether an escort should be upfront if he does not french kiss with client ever -- if it's not in his repertoire ever.

 

I hire top men because I like to get fucked. Let's suppose I find an escort who states that he is a top in his ad, and I screen him and say I'd be expecting him to top me if we schedule a session. If, when we meet, this escort then states "I don't fuck; I'm a top for oral only" it's deliberate deception. If he states "I'm not up for fucking with every client; and it's not something I can do" or "you've got a messy ass" we're in different territory. In the first scenario it's not an aborted attempt at slavery or servitude if I choose to end the session. I attempt to respect the escort's discretion if he doesn't want to talk in graphic terms about fucking when we're discussing a session, but he should be up front about what he's willing to consider vs. what types of interaction are not ever offered.

 

In the case of kissing escorts should be honest. As an escort you know damn well that when a client asks about kissing he's not talking about the way Rock Hudson touched lips to Doris Day. If an escort says that he kisses when he has no intention of wet kissing with a client that escort is abusing ambiguity in order to deceive the client. It's not about "the way I understand kissing"; it's about differentiating between an act you know everyone expects and an act that no one really wants. Unfortunately both of those acts fall under the same name.

 

Both the contemptuous and the polite discussion about how the OP is demanding service miss the point. His scenario was not about pay for performance; it was about whether the escort honestly set expectations up front.

 

Hijacking the thread to talk about hygiene is unfortunate. It's an interesting topic, but it's beside the point. Threads drift all the time, but the OP put some thought into framing the discussion.

 

My man,

 

I can see this is a very near and dear subject for you, based on the passion of your argument, which is why I would like to mention a couple things:

 

We are discussing two different things here. One is DELIBERATE SCAMMERS who promise stuff they have no interest in providing, which of course is wrong. However, regardless of how many million clients come here and demand that scammers disclose honestly, scammers won't. Scammers will be scammers and all one can do is research as best as one can to avoid them.

 

The other is PROFESSIONAL ESCORTS, who have a history of great consistent service and who are glad to share their time with you. This doesn't mean they will be liked by EVERYONE, it just means that they do their work consistently well with everybody. In this case it is really important to reiterate that we don't "advertise acts", as you wrote in your response. What we do in our ads is share about the things we enjoy doing to get a feeling of whether we are a good match or not. This kind of escorts will gladly do the things they like whenever there's a chance. The intention of my post was to raise the awareness that in order for a professional escort to do the things he loves to do, certain circumstances have to be present: hygiene, preparation, physical ability, respect and a positive interaction.

 

It is in that frame of reference that I think expecting a professional escort to do the things you want him to do regardless of the circumstances is exploitative and potentially abusive. It is then that I find the "here's your 20, now do your job" approach a little Victorian. I believe these are very valid points that not only not highjack the thread, but might offer insight on how to make sure you have the amazing experience you are looking for with a professional escort.

 

Yes, scammers are awful people, but no amount of screaming and panting about how scammers should be honest will change anything. All we can do is make sure that your session goes as well as it can go whenever you meet with an escort who is not a scammer.

 

If this information is not relevant or useful to you, then I find it hard to understand what is it that you look for in this Forum. But if it is not important to you, I encourage you not to read my posts. If you think my posts might be inappropriate please notify the moderators. They will gladly help you.

 

May we all find a perfect escort/client match, and may we all have a fucking riot!

[TruHart1]

The number of kissing techniques boggles my mind

 

This thread has gone through so many permutations about an escort advertising kissing, French kissing, scammers who bait and switch, clients treating the escort like “a slave” or “just a piece of meat” along with a discussion of why an escort may not kiss as advertised in his ad due to the client’s bad breath or general lack of cleanliness but to me it brings to mind the fact that every one of the 50+ escorts I have hired so far, who advertise kissing in their ads, ALL have completely different techniques, whether their kissing is dry or as wet as a doggy kiss!!!

 

There are a very few who tell me up front that they will not kiss, and for those, I almost always find a number of other great interactions we can enjoy. So far, with the guys who DO kiss (and the majority of the men I’ve hired do) what is fascinating to me upon hiring a new escort is that once we start kissing, there are times when I have experienced kissing techniques that are radically different than I have ever imagined kissing to be.

 

In my experience, if I adjust to their technique, I find that I enjoy my entire experience so much more. At first, I sort of fought for the way I prefer to kiss (wet, deep) to dominate but that can just become sort of a contest and keep the session from becoming that BFE I am trying for whenever I hire. By adjusting to their kissing technique, I find they become more turned-on and thus make my experience more sexually heightened because of it.

 

Since I began hiring I find I have learned so many new and different kissing techniques, almost all of which I’ve found can be very, very sexually stimulating and even mind-blowing at times! I admit that one of the things I most anticipate each time I hire a new escort is finding out just how they do kiss and how their technique may vary from others. Of course, I have favorites when it comes to how they kiss, but I’ve found that adjusting to each man’s way of kissing can be very exciting in its own way.

 

TruHart1

[Amoco]

Hey, Juan...

 

Sanctimonious: pretending to be morally better than other people; hypocritically pious or devout.

[BaronArtz]

 

It is in that frame of reference that I think expecting a professional escort to do the things you want him to do regardless of the circumstances is exploitative and potentially abusive. It is then that I find the "here's your 20, now do your job" approach a little Victorian. I believe these are very valid points

 

That is indeed the nail on the head. Well said.

 

Since this thread has indeed gone through various permutations, I have read again the very first post. The situation, as described, is a follows: (1) escort mentions 'kissing' in his ad, (2) some, but not all reviewers, mention that the escort in question 'French kisses', (3) the client (i.e. the OP) does not discuss 'French kissing' prior to appointment, (4) when escort refuses to 'French kiss' the OP during the session, he is sent packing with minimal compensation, 20 minutes into the session.

 

This is not a case of an escort mis-representing himself. This is a case of a demanding, abusive client imposing requirements on an escort above and beyond what was advertised/discussed prior to the encounter. This client totally merits our contempt.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey, Juan...

 

Sanctimonious: pretending to be morally better than other people; hypocritically pious or devout.

 

Hey Amoco,

 

Thanks for sharing, my man, and I love that word! But I have the feeling you are not just broadening our vocabulary, but accusing me of being sanctimonious.

 

All I can say is that I am sorry you feel like this. I am not trying to be better than anyone. I am worse than you because I am a H____er, and I am a bad ho__er because I am saying in a very public forum that I will not do whatever my costumer demands. I am not pretending to be pious, or good, or better. I am just me.

 

My only intention coming here for many, many years has been sharing the point of view that some escorts share so that clients who are interested in meeting such escorts might have a better experience with them.

 

Not all clients look for such escorts, and that's wonderful. There's a rich array of possibilities for everyone. My point of view is not better than yours, its just the way I do things.

 

I am not entirely sure how is it that you read that I am being hypocritical or better than thou, so please feel free to share it with me. In life and professionally I strive for learning about myself and finding better ways to do things.

 

Thank you for your feedback, but it would be more useful if you let me know how you got there.

 

Big hug,

 

Juan

[Juan Vancouver]

In my experience, if I adjust to their technique, I find that I enjoy my entire experience so much more. At first, I sort of fought for the way I prefer to kiss (wet, deep) to dominate but that can just become sort of a contest and keep the session from becoming that BFE I am trying for whenever I hire. By adjusting to their kissing technique, I find they become more turned-on and thus make my experience more sexually heightened because of it.

 

Since I began hiring I find I have learned so many new and different kissing techniques, almost all of which I’ve found can be very, very sexually stimulating and even mind-blowing at times!

 

So beautifully written! Thank you for sharing. I think we all fall into the domination game when we are inexperienced, but as soon as we realize that the give and take or a dialogue during intimacy works much better, we all switch to that.

 

A partner that is being honoured, seen and made love to, will ALWAYS be turned on, participative and excited.

 

Again, thank you for sharing.

[Nvr2Thick]

The other is PROFESSIONAL ESCORTS, who have a history of great consistent service and who are glad to share their time with you. This doesn't mean they will be liked by EVERYONE, it just means that they do their work consistently well with everybody. In this case it is really important to reiterate that we don't "advertise acts", as you wrote in your response. What we do in our ads is share about the things we enjoy doing to get a feeling of whether we are a good match or not. This kind of escorts will gladly do the things they like whenever there's a chance. The intention of my post was to raise the awareness that in order for a professional escort to do the things he loves to do, certain circumstances have to be present: hygiene, preparation, physical ability, respect and a positive interaction.

 

It is in that frame of reference that I think expecting a professional escort to do the things you want him to do regardless of the circumstances is exploitative and potentially abusive. It is then that I find the "here's your 20, now do your job" approach a little Victorian. I believe these are very valid points that not only not highjack the thread, but might offer insight on how to make sure you have the amazing experience you are looking for with a professional escort.

 

Your point is clear. I do believe that some folks, yourself included, are going out of their way to twist the OP's post to this point.

 

If this information is not relevant or useful to you, then I find it hard to understand what is it that you look for in this Forum. But if it is not important to you, I encourage you not to read my posts. If you think my posts might be inappropriate please notify the moderators. They will gladly help you.

 

I have not suggested in the slightest that your posts are inappropriate. You've provided information and opinion. I disagree, so I've provided my opinion as well. The purpose of this forum is to discuss such matters. My reply is as welcome as yours. It's mighty arrogant of you to address an opposing opinion in this manner.

[Amoco]

BaronArtz:

 

You left out some important stuff:

 

1. The OP specifically texted with the escort and stated that, among other things, he liked kissing. It is true that he didn't specify French, but seriously, that was the escorts opportunity to say "Hey, man, I know that the reviews I link to from my ad say that I French kiss, but I really don't"

2. The escort was present for 30 minutes in a 60 minute session. For 10 of those minutes he was taking a shower, so he was really present for 1/3 of the agreed upon session, and received $150. Of a $250 fee. I would hardly describe that as "minimal compensation" by anyone's measure.

3. If you really think this rises to a level of "contempt", you're saying much more about yourself than you are about anybody else.

4. I simply don't agree with your perspective and think the Board should tolerate different views. Not one of the "professional" escorts that I've hired would suggest that it would be reasonable to advertise kissing, link to reviews which discuss French kissing, receive texts from the client discussing a desire to kiss, and then not kiss. It's just not right, and all the blather about kissing styles, abuse, hygiene, and whatever are attempts to bypass responsibility. That's my view. I appreciate that you think about this differently. I know that I'm never going to convince you of anything, but would just ask that when you present summaries, that you do a complete job.

 

Juan:

I appreciate your conflicted response - so many big hugs and sly digs at the same time - well done! You're far too beautiful, articulate and kind for me to get into a public duel with - I will simply say that I felt the original post was asking a specific question that got turned into a series of significantly broader issues, and did so in an ugly way. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. In a case of an escort advertising some behavior, is it reasonable to end the session early and pay a pro-rated portion of a one hour appointment? I say yes. You may not agree, and that's fine. But there was never any suggestion of a hygiene issue, a power struggle, subterfuge or manipulation. You may think that the escort has no responsibility to tell a kisser that he doesn't French kiss, but I disagree. It's that simple to me. Further, I would suggest that my view of professionalism, where the professional is held accountable for their product, seems to be the most respectful of the truly professional escorts. I don't think they should be coddled, or celebrated, any more than an attorney or physician should be. You may disagree. But this silliness about menus and preferences are not honest. And respectfully, I just looked at your ad, and in addition to oozing hot sexuality, the pictures, including the beautiful ones of your spectacular penises, are highly suggestive and render most of your arguments rather disingenuous - if you want to split hairs and play games with semantics, than there's no point to this. You're an escort by choice and design, and from the sounds of your reviews, you're really good at it. I have no prejudice in either direction toward your person.

[BaronArtz]

1. The OP specifically texted with the escort and stated that, among other things, he liked kissing. It is true that he didn't specify French, but seriously, that was the escorts opportunity to say "Hey, man, I know that the reviews I link to from my ad say that I French kiss, but I really don't"

2. The escort was present for 30 minutes in a 60 minute session. For 10 of those minutes he was taking a shower, so he was really present for 1/3 of the agreed upon session, and received $150. Of a $250 fee. I would hardly describe that as "minimal compensation" by anyone's measure.

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Amoco-dearest, if you want to play games I suggest you do your research a bit more carefully. Your buddy, the OP, did much worse than sending this escort away with a paltry compensation. He mentioned his name, Ian-NYC, here on the message board in an attempt to ruin this guy's reputation. The 'French kissing' was never specified in the ad, nor did it come up in the conversations prior to the encounter.

 

Your other comments are of such a nature that they do not merit a response. Thank you.

[Amoco]

Baron...no need for sarcasm - I'm not here to convince you any more than I would try to convince the characters at FOX News. I understand that you see this differently than I do. Again, just to be clear, when an escort says he kisses, links to reviews that highlight French kissing, and knows the client is interested in kissing, the escort bears some responsibility for the date going bad. Interesting that nobody even mentioned that he showed up needing a shower for a one hour appointment. I also believe that $150 for 20 minutes of his time is not "paltry", but money may come easier to you than it does for me. And lastly, I don't see how this ruins Ian-NYC's reputation - these are statements of what an escort does and doesn't do - it certainly didn't ruin Ian for you or many of the posters on the Board who supported him. The only thing we might agree on is that this could have been done through a review. I don't think the OP did anything wrong and certainly don't believe that any competitive NYC escort thinks that an interest in kissing means dry pecks. These are highly paid, frequently educated and accomplished guys who deserve to be treated like professionals - and part of that process is accountability.

[Amoco]

I would also encourage everybody to read the link that Jon1265 provided about another client's experience with the same escort within the past few weeks:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?102137-Ian-in-NYC-A-Note-of-Caution

 

If you trust the client, and I have no reason not to, the escort in question has a history of changing the offerings for different client ages, too. So now we have two completely separate reports from regular Forum members who go to the trouble of posting, each saying similar things in very separate circumstances within weeks of each other.

 

Without the sarcasm or vitriol, I'm interested in whether that changes BaronArtz or Juan's perspective?