When the client makes you an offer...

[+ VeryHappyCustomer]

Chris Eisenhower makes a good point in a thread in the Deli about how clients respond to unpublished prices.

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?98423-When-an-escort-says-Ask-Me

 

He notes that a flat hourly rate isn't always the best way to price a specific combination of services. That makes sense to me. So, guys, how do you feel about prospective clients making you an offer? For example:

I want to rim you, kiss you, and get tied up and left for my wife to find. In that order.

I want to meet at the airport Hilton at 3pm on Friday the 22nd.

I want to rim you for an hour, kiss you for 30 minutes, and be hog tied and alone by 5pm.

Would you do this for $200?

 

No worries, nobody will be getting that offer from me.

VHC

[Steven_Draker]

So, guys, how do you feel about prospective clients making you an offer?

I want to rim you, kiss you, and get tied up and left for my wife to find. In that order.

I want to rim you for an hour, kiss you for 30 minutes, and be hog tied and alone by 5pm.

 

How would you feel if an escort pulls his "à la carte" menu and proceeds charging you for each act; telling you that every additional service will COST YOU EXTRA ...

 

Personally, in my case the fee is for time only, independently of what happens during our time together.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Chris Eisenhower makes a good point in a thread in the Deli about how clients respond to unpublished prices.

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?98423-When-an-escort-says-Ask-Me

 

He notes that a flat hourly rate isn't always the best way to price a specific combination of services. That makes sense to me. So, guys, how do you feel about prospective clients making you an offer? For example:

I want to rim you, kiss you, and get tied up and left for my wife to find. In that order.

I want to meet at the airport Hilton at 3pm on Friday the 22nd.

I want to rim you for an hour, kiss you for 30 minutes, and be hog tied and alone by 5pm.

Would you do this for $200?

 

No worries, nobody will be getting that offer from me.

VHC

 

Let me correct you if I left you with the impression that I offer a la carte escorting. I do not.

 

Many escorts offer escorting and massage as two different services.

[+ Funguy]

Let me correct you if I left you with the impression that I offer a la carte escorting. I do not.

 

Many escorts offer escorting and massage as two different services.

 

I'll take 1 from column A, 2 from column B, 4 from column C and back to column A to start over again after resting in your arms.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I'll take 1 from column A, 2 from column B, 4 from column C and back to column A to start over again after resting in your arms.

 

Well, you're about to get to.

[+ Funguy]

:o

 

Always a

 

Funguy

[+ VeryHappyCustomer]

Let me correct you if I left you with the impression that I offer a la carte escorting. I do not.

 

Many escorts offer escorting and massage as two different services.

 

Heavens, I apologize! I never meant to suggest you were offering anything other than a purely hypothetical viewpoint in a sincere attempt to encourage empathy among folks who seem to be unproductively wary of one another.

 

Here's another viewpoint from the escort perspective. Consider that sometimes the website doesn't allow an escort to put multiple rates for multiple services. In this case, "ask me" is the best way to handle it unless you want to pay the same rate for massage, escorting, social events, travel, having your head stroked, etc. Sometimes it's tough out there for a pimp—er, working boy—and all that 99.9% of us are trying to do is to 1) stand out in a crowd, and 2) make it as easy as possible for you to hire us. The vast majority of us aren't trying to be misleading or screw you. Well, not in THAT way.

 

And keep in mind that many of you don't want to meet for an hour. I'm not sure what all the uproar is about posted or unposted rates when many of you will ask what the rate is for 2, 3 and 4-hour (or longer) appointments anyway. Pretty much everyone assumes that an extended appointment is going to be a different rate than x number of hours times the base hourly rate. But unless you ask, you don't know.

 

Seriously, I think everyone in both sides needs to learn to be a little more flexible and patient with each other, myself included. It's far too easy to fall into "they are going to cheat me" mode based on one or two negative experiences. That's not to say you can't or shouldn't hire smart. IMHO, asking an escort about rates and services (even when this information is already posted) allows you to gauge his ability to communicate clearly and to make you feel comfortable and enthusiastic about hiring him for what should be a fun time together.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Heavens, I apologize! I never meant to suggest you were offering anything other than a purely hypothetical viewpoint in a sincere attempt to encourage empathy among folks who seem to be unproductively wary of one another.

 

No worries, sir. I should have clarified the meaning of "multiple services," which to me means escorting and massage.

[Juan Vancouver]

How would you feel if an escort pulls his "à la carte" menu and proceeds charging you for each act; telling you that every additional service will COST YOU EXTRA ...

 

Personally, in my case the fee is for time only, independently of what happens during our time together.[/color]

 

Exactly my thoughts.

[Kevin Slater]

How would you feel if an escort pulls his "à la carte" menu and proceeds charging you for each act; telling you that every additional service will COST YOU EXTRA ...

 

Personally, in my case the fee is for time only, independently of what happens during our time together.[/color]

 

+1

 

Kevin Slater

[+ VeryHappyCustomer]

How would you feel if an escort pulls his "à la carte" menu and proceeds charging you for each act; telling you that every additional service will COST YOU EXTRA ...

[/color]

 

Steven, I prefer prix fixe. But more than a few escorts (and many masseurs) whose published rate is "ask me" have sent itemized price lists. Some have been established providers whose ads go back years.

 

People's answers to my sincere, though awkwardly phrased question, make it clear that I'm not misunderstanding "ask me".

 

Thanks to you all.

 

VHC

[MiamiLooker]

If the client and escort have both agreed on a price for a fantasy and agreed on how any additional services might be charged for, why should anyone else care?

[JoeyBryant]

Chris Eisenhower notes that a flat hourly rate isn't always the best way to price a specific combination of services. That makes sense to me. So, guys, how do you feel about prospective clients making you an offer?

 

I was just having this discussion today with a (non-escort) friend earlier. Even to him, it makes sense. As time goes on, I'm starting to realize just having a flat hourly rate PERIOD, doesn't feel as effective to me. I really wish websites would allow more options and lists for rates/prices. For one, many sites only allow you to list an hourly rate. Well, everyone knows most guys don't charge their rate x 2 for longer than 1 hour visits.

 

As far as clients making an offer, I'm okay with that...as long as it's reasonable. Some people like to really push their luck, offering $100 for $250 worth of time. Some people also underestimate the value of an escort, and see it as just someone trying to make some extra change on the side of the 'real job'.

 

I advertise on the classifieds, but I got to the point of removing my rates all together and just asking people to email me. Reason being, you have guys calling every ad listed trying to get the cheapest price. A guy would call me, ask my rate, and then say, "let me think about it." But the thing is, I'm not in the business of bargaining with folk. But, I sometimes find asking a guy how much he's willing to consider is a bit more effective for those types...save yourself a lot of time.

 

It can be a hard choice to make. I had a client once tell me he didn't call me in the past because "he didn't know how much it would cost him". But, I see guys like Zeb Atlas who never post rates (not to compare and contrast, but just using an example of established entertainers who choose not to posts rates) so I can't see how it'd be such an issue. It's not opening a door to negotiate, but more of a fact of inviting the client to communicate with you, before letting rates be a determining factor.

[SteveEscort]

I have always had published prices, I don't have any "ask me" prices because I think that puts a lot of clients off. Some guys don't want the nonsense of having to contact multiple escorts just find out what their prices are, they need a clear and concise view of whats on offer at a price they can afford.

 

The only difference to that is that I publish approximate prices for certain appointments outside my area. This is because on a Thursday it can cost me £100 first class return into London but on a Friday it's usually £150 return. Sometimes it's easier to fly into Heathrow from Newcastle airport if he's staying in West London or an airport hotel and that's always a round £150 return so some prices are approximate.

 

Remember though, once you charge for "services" it's prostitution, charging for time is "escorting" because he's paying for your time not what you will perform. In many jurisdictions paying for time is legal but paying for services isn't.

 

One thing I don't like is guys who offer way less than you publish but expect 100% performance from the escort.

 

If you want 100% please pay 100%

[JoeyBryant]

I have always had published prices, I don't have any "ask me" prices because I think that puts a lot of clients off.

 

Remember though, once you charge for "services" it's prostitution, charging for time is "escorting" because he's paying for your time not what you will perform. In many jurisdictions paying for time is legal but paying for services isn't.

 

One thing I don't like is guys who offer way less than you publish but expect 100% performance from the escort.

 

If you want 100% please pay 100%

 

But in the same sense, clients can be put off by prices either too high or too low too. And that's the dilemma. I've met some great clients, who would have been put off by $200-250/hr. They will never call. But, they'd go for $140 or $150. But, then if you advertise at $140 or $150, you come off looking suspicious and questionable, not to mention cheap PLUS, the pickings at that rate tend to be as such...so you're pretty much fucked. And not by the client, but by default. So, you have to keep that national and international base going.

 

I'm actually desiring to ascend from hourly sessions, to longer dates. Nothing wrong with hourly, but I want to have atleast 1 ad up where someone can see that I do offer a longer session.

 

Oh...and don't even go there about the whole time=legal and sex=prostitution :o

It comes to mind that dreaded thread about "should I pay an escort who's too tired to perform??"

[JoeyBryant]

I have always had published prices, I don't have any "ask me" prices because I think that puts a lot of clients off.

 

Remember though, once you charge for "services" it's prostitution, charging for time is "escorting" because he's paying for your time not what you will perform. In many jurisdictions paying for time is legal but paying for services isn't.

 

One thing I don't like is guys who offer way less than you publish but expect 100% performance from the escort.

 

If you want 100% please pay 100%

 

But in the same sense, clients can be put off by prices either too high or too low too. And that's the dilemma. I've met some great clients, who would have been put off by $200-250/hr. They will never call. But, they'd go for $140 or $150. But, then if you advertise at $140 or $150, you come off looking suspicious and questionable, not to mention cheap PLUS, the pickings at that rate tend to be as such...so you're pretty much fucked in certain markets. And not by the client, but by default. So, you have to keep that national and international base going.

 

I'm actually desiring to ascend from hourly sessions, to longer dates. Nothing wrong with hourly, but I want to have atleast 1 ad up where someone can see that I do offer a longer session, and that there is an incentive in doing so.

[devonhunter]

Chris Eisenhower makes a good point in a thread in the Deli about how clients respond to unpublished prices.

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?98423-When-an-escort-says-Ask-Me

 

He notes that a flat hourly rate isn't always the best way to price a specific combination of services. That makes sense to me. So, guys, how do you feel about prospective clients making you an offer? For example:

I want to rim you, kiss you, and get tied up and left for my wife to find. In that order.

I want to meet at the airport Hilton at 3pm on Friday the 22nd.

I want to rim you for an hour, kiss you for 30 minutes, and be hog tied and alone by 5pm.

Would you do this for $200?

 

No worries, nobody will be getting that offer from me.

VHC

 

 

I wouldn't have ever replied to you. I presume people who equate activities with fees are police officers. I am paid for my time, not what I do during that time.

[TruHart1]

I wouldn't have ever replied to you. I presume people who equate activities with fees are police officers. I am paid for my time, not what I do during that time.

 

Devon, your response to the first email enquiry I sent to you impressed me tremendously as to how very professional you are. You thanked me for my interest, assured me of your discretion and that my privacy was paramount to you, then directed me to your website for all your fee information, including discounted multi-hourly rates. In addition you asked me what my interests and expectations were!

 

Although I have communicated with and hired a number of very fine professionals, I do believe that particular email was the best any escort has ever sent me in answer to a first enquiry! I always feel so much more comfortable when I know an escort’s fees (for his time!) up front. Thank you, Devon. I wish first-time communication and hiring was always that easy.

 

TruHart1

[SteveEscort]

But in the same sense, clients can be put off by prices either too high or too low too. And that's the dilemma.

 

.... and they will still have that issue once they find out the rate but maybe even more off put because they've had to jump through hoops to find it out.

 

Oh...and don't even go there about the whole time=legal and sex=prostitution :o

It comes to mind that dreaded thread about "should I pay an escort who's too tired to perform??"

 

Oh...and quit being so bloody condescending every time I post. It's starting to bore me, everytime I post something on here you've got to pull my opinions to pieces. I personally feel you have very valid points to make but I don't dissect everything you say. I am entitled to my opinion and point of view. Life is a rich tapestry, something you fail to understand and the input from one person may not be something you agree with but that doesn't make it any less valid, so quit putting me down, I'm tiring of it quite quickly.

 

Back to my point about "prostitution -v- time", this was relevant to the discussion because the discussion was turning around to services and Lady Law loves to be able to prove you were offering a sexual service. Advertising blatant sexual services in places where escort work isn't legal isn't a particularly wise move.

 

Anyway I had better get back to work.... you know..... one of those couple of clients a day you don't believe I get

[SteveEscort]

I wouldn't have ever replied to you. I presume people who equate activities with fees are police officers. I am paid for my time, not what I do during that time.

 

Well said

[Str8boyluvr]

Lots of great points and perspectives here. As for my personal policy, if an escort does not publish their rates, I pass them by, regardless of how well they've been reviewed or recommended. If you can't quote a hourly rate, and honor it, I've already lost interest.

[JoeyBryant]

Oh...and quit being so bloody condescending every time I post. It's starting to bore me, everytime I post something on here you've got to pull my opinions to pieces. I personally feel you have very valid points to make but I don't dissect everything you say. I am entitled to my opinion and point of view. Life is a rich tapestry, something you fail to understand and the input from one person may not be something you agree with but that doesn't make it any less valid, so quit putting me down, I'm tiring of it quite quickly.

 

Back to my point about "prostitution -v- time", this was relevant to the discussion because the discussion was turning around to services and Lady Law loves to be able to prove you were offering a sexual service. Advertising blatant sexual services in places where escort work isn't legal isn't a particularly wise move.

 

Anyway I had better get back to work.... you know..... one of those couple of clients a day you don't believe I get

 

Oh my gosh, you're getting all worked up over an innocuous comment. Maybe you do need to take a nap, grumpy...if you're so tired of somebody.

 

The part you quoted was not meant to be condescending, but you picked apart what I said too about rates when you went in to say: Remember though, once you charge for "services" it's prostitution, charging for time is "escorting" because he's paying for your time not what you will perform. In many jurisdictions paying for time is legal but paying for services isn't. And then all I said (in the purest form of humor, which went right over your head faster than a B-2 bomber) was that although that is true, where was your answer in that thread that was specifically named, "should I pay the escort who is too tired to perform?"

 

Don't take it personally. I'm not putting you down. It was said tongue in cheek. If that's putting you down, you also put me down with what you said when I mentioned what I feel about posting rates, because you held your own opinion about that as well, which you've just expressed.

 

As far as how many clients a day you get, whatever. I guess you were hurt by that comment I made so long ago. I apologize. But, we already squashed that, so to bring it up again?

 

Advertising blatant sexual services in places where escort work isn't legal isn't a particularly wise move.

 

In that case, websites should absolutely under no circumstances allow nude photos or reviews in the USA either.

[SteveEscort]

Oh my gosh, you're getting all worked up over an innocuous comment. Maybe you do need to take a nap, grumpy...if you're so tired of somebody.

 

I'm tired of you and you alone, it's not less than a month or so ago I was accused by you of being a fraud and although you deny that's what you meant, it came across that way and was even highlighted by another contributor. Allow me to have my opinion, it might not always be the right one and I take into account cultural and legal differences based on your location and mine. Escorting and Prostitution are legal in the United Kingdom and I bear that in mind every time I post. I also bear in mind that I live on a different continent to the 90% of gentlemen who post on this forum which is why I choose carefully which posts to get involved in. I'm not some twinky kid Joey, I am knocking on the door of 40 and I've been an escort for most of my adult life. I know a fair bit about the work and the industry, it's not just you whose been around since the stoneage. I have too. If my opinions are not wanted on this forum I won't bother contributing, it makes no difference to my day. I hardly promote myself on here and I visit the states once every two years.

 

You do dissect everything I say and although others don't always agree, they don't rub my nose in it like you do, the comments above clearly proving you have to make it personal. When have you seen me call you grumpy, or in need of a nap. Just grow up please and act like the adult you're supposed to be, because if those comments arnt condescending then I don't know what is. It's most annoying. I actually log into this site at 8am London time just to see what you claim I am wrong about today. Pick on someone else, not a co-worker.

 

I am drawing a line under it today and will not comment on this anymore, other guys don't want to read it, but please stop pulling everything I say to pieces and agree to disagree and stop being personal about me.

 

In that case, websites should absolutely under no circumstances allow nude photos or reviews in the USA either.

 

I wasn't aware that nudity is illegal. Reviews.... well I know a bit about them in the UK. Brothels have been prosecuted in the UK (which is illegal) with reviews used as evidence of sexual conduct. Reviews are the opinion of the beholder and can be interpreted as fictional sexual bravado, no one can prove that those activities happened in the bedroom and it's a brave law enforcement that would subpoena a client as a witness to court to swear on the bible that he fucked the escort like a rabbit.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

If my opinions are not wanted on this forum I won't bother contributing, it makes no difference to my day. I hardly promote myself on here and I visit the states once every two years.

 

Please don't stop contributing, Steve. Your opinions are very much wanted.

[JoeyBryant]

I'm tired of you and you alone, it's not less than a month or so ago I was accused by you of being a fraud and although you deny that's what you meant, it came across that way and was even highlighted by another contributor. Allow me to have my opinion, it might not always be the right one and I take into account cultural and legal differences based on your location and mine. Escorting and Prostitution are legal in the United Kingdom and I bear that in mind every time I post. I also bear in mind that I live on a different continent to the 90% of gentlemen who post on this forum which is why I choose carefully which posts to get involved in. I'm not some twinky kid Joey, I am knocking on the door of 40 and I've been an escort for most of my adult life. I know a fair bit about the work and the industry, it's not just you whose been around since the stoneage. I have too. If my opinions are not wanted on this forum I won't bother contributing, it makes no difference to my day. I hardly promote myself on here and I visit the states once every two years.

 

You do dissect everything I say and although others don't always agree, they don't rub my nose in it like you do, the comments above clearly proving you have to make it personal. When have you seen me call you grumpy, or in need of a nap. Just grow up please and act like the adult you're supposed to be, because if those comments arnt condescending then I don't know what is. It's most annoying. I actually log into this site at 8am London time just to see what you claim I am wrong about today. Pick on someone else, not a co-worker.

 

I am drawing a line under it today and will not comment on this anymore, other guys don't want to read it, but please stop pulling everything I say to pieces and agree to disagree and stop being personal about me.

 

Well I'm sorry you've allowed yourself to feel that way. Other than that brief comment I made earlier, and the one I responded to about how many clients per day you receive, I can't see how you "look" for bad things I have to say about you. I have given you credit where it's due on other occasions, including the texting thread I wrote up the other week. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to my response. You can't see that as any other way.

 

Again, your suggesting I called you a fraud is misinterpreted. Now, if I said, "The only reason Steve can possibly see 2 clients a day, everyday, 365/year...is if you're taking the money and doing a runner." I never said that. Instead, I stated that from what I READ regularly, from other escorts working out of the U.K., on another forum geared for escorts, is that many are dealing with long stretches in between clients, even if they do see 2 or 3 at a time on a particular day. That the number of competitors have doubled and tripled in Manchester, London, Glasgow, Leeds, and Edinburgh. You didn't address that, you looked at it as if I was attacking you. You volunteered how many clients a day you get in Mikey's thread, if you thought it'd be such an issue to reveal such information, then maybe you shouldn't have.

 

But by all means, if you are determined to show me what I'm missing....you're welcome to send a ticket because I already know, here in the states is not where it's at anymore. A friend and I are already planning our get away to Germany this summer.

 

I wasn't aware that nudity is illegal. Reviews.... well I know a bit about them in the UK. Brothels have been prosecuted in the UK (which is illegal) with reviews used as evidence of sexual conduct. Reviews are the opinion of the beholder and can be interpreted as fictional sexual bravado, no one can prove that those activities happened in the bedroom and it's a brave law enforcement that would subpoena a client as a witness to court to swear on the bible that he fucked the escort like a rabbit.

 

Good points you've made. (see, I just gave you props).

 

Please don't stop contributing, Steve. Your opinions are very much wanted.

 

I agree. And I never suggested he stop contributing.