I invite you all to look inside yourself, and get to the core reason of the hate:

[+ not2rowdy]

A real friend would lend Joey a ear and suggest that he can speaks his mind in a face to face conversation; not encourage his "suicidal" behavior on this Board.

 

Ouch! Painful blow to my sensitive thin skin. I slept on that comment last night trying to fathom how I was encouraging his "suicidal" behavior.

 

Maybe if I reworded my initial post to say -

"I know the quote wasn't directed to me but, at least in my case, I have… and I have...

 

All I was trying to get across is that:

 

1. I have actually had a session (actually two) with Joey and I did post a review.

2. I don't agree with all his comments. But do appreciate he speaks up. I think it's useful to the entire forum community to hear various aspects, including frustrations, of the escort profession. Especially from escorts.

 

But since you're unhappy that yours was labeled merely a "first time reviewer", why not rehire him and write a second review. If the experience was worth repeating, that is. You won't be a "first time reviewer" anymore and I'm sure he would appreciate it.

 

As to another session and posting another review.

It will take time for me to get over that "magic number" hump. Even then, the concerns I stated (post #14), and discussed by others, would remain the same. Especially regarding a provider considered controversial. Contained in this thread started by bcohen7719 on 10-11-2013:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?95342-Wonderful-Reviews-Written-by-Escorts-Themselves

 

So I apologize. To Steve for stirring ire with the wording of my post - and to Joey for "encouraging suicidal behavior." Neither was/is my intent.

 

Ending on a positive note: I've learned something from his two recent threads:

The AstroGlide lube I keep on hand - just in case - is probably pretty low class. It didn't even occur to me that there were various qualities of lube.

[Guest]

All the professors in my latest round of classes don't bother with this kind of stuff. They just print on the syllabus: if you miss more than one class for any reason whatsoever, you fail.

 

You sign the agreement at the beginning of the semester, or you are not allowed to take the class.

 

Most professors I know have attendance policies laid out in detail in the syllabus. That's pretty much teaching 101. However, signing an agreement doesn't stop students from writing nasty reviews at the end of the semester and, at some schools, going to the Dean to complain that the professor is unfair and not sensitive to student needs. Hence the venting.

 

Of course it can't nor should it prevent students from writing nasty reviews and/or going to the dean to complain. The students are the ones paying YOU (and the dean) for their education, not the other way around. Such a "for any reason whatsoever" policy is unreasonable and obnoxious, and forcing students to sign such an "agreement" is extortion. Presumably, these students need the credits for graduation and are not in any position to decline such an "agreement." While I would not argue with a policy which would delineate acceptable reasons for absence and/or require documentation such as a physician's note, requiring sick students to attend class is dangerous for both the student and their classmates. A friend of mine recently switched to a job in which the employees got a fixed number of days off--whether they were sick or on vacation counted the same. Predictably, employees would repeatedly come in hacking and coughing all over the place, barely able to function, and infecting all of the other employees. The employer then wisely separated the sick from the vacation days.

In the United States at least, it is illegal for an employer to fire an employee because they miss work because of illness (or even an immediate family member's illness). Universities should have similar policies in place to protect their students from capricious professors who just assume that students who miss classes are slackers, and who, when the students try to explain the situation, just put their fingers in their ears and say "Lalalalala... I don't want to hear it."

[+ FreshFluff]

At most schools I know of, illnesses (with a note from a doctor), religious observances, etc. MUST be excused--no matter who the professor is.

 

The policy you mentioned is that of Steven's instructor. My policy is that students get N (some number) of unexcused absences--ie those that don't fall into the categories above. These can be used for anything--interviews, a nap, whatever. If they have more than N unexcused absences, the participation portion of their grade is reduced. The reason for this policy is twofold: First, participation is a critical part of the class, and they can't participate if they're not there. Second, students who miss more than a few classes invariably fall behind and do poorly on coursework and exams.

 

No student has ever gone to the Dean about me; students at my school tend to go to the Dean only if a professor has been verbally abusive. However, going to the Dean to contest grades is much more common at smaller private school.

 

Signing the syllabus is usually just asking the students to recognize the rules of the class. If that's extortion, then any kind of policy in the syllabus is extortion. At any rate, different sections of required courses are typically taught by different professors (either in different semesters or the same semester). So they typically have a choice.

 

I think the students as customer analogy only goes so far, but that's a much longer discussion that's been addressed in many blogs and articles.

[Guy Fawkes]

and I invite you to look inside yourself. On the internet, people can't see your color. However, they can read what you write. I have been personally offended by some of what you write. But, here you have the right to say what your will with a fair amount of latitude. I have the right to disagree with you and tell you so. If you don't like the answer; why do you ask the question?

[Guest]

At most schools I know of, illnesses (with a note from a doctor), religious observances, etc. MUST be excused--no matter who the professor is.

 

The policy you mentioned is that of Steven's instructor. My policy is that students get N (some number) of unexcused absences--ie those that don't fall into the categories above.

 

You'll get no argument from me on limiting the number of unexcused absences. It was the no absence "for any reason whatsoever" policy which I found rather outrageous. I agree that students should treat their classes as they would a job (even though, strictly speaking, they are the employer and not the employee). Having a syllabus is certainly a good idea as well, although asking students to sign it seems superfluous and unnecessary (I never had to do that with any of my classes at any time, nor did my domestic partner, nor does my niece, who's going to U of Chicago right now). Calling this an "Agreement," as if this was a deal reached after some negotiation, however, would seem rather farcical to me.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Make it stop!!!!!!!!

 

I know some people (most) probably feel it's pointless to even have this discussion. But, I'm going to have it anyway because I'm not going to leave until I get the same recognition as anyone else on this board who has catered to clients the same amount of time I have. Yes, I understand it's just the internet, and it's just bitter old queens (often the same ones) but I have a reputation that is un-tarnished in the business..and won't be affected by this forum. What happens here, stays here. I have repeat clients all the time. Because I enjoy what I do. I'm not in a dark place, I'm not suffering at the hands of anyone on here, and certainly not suffering at the hands of the business.

 

I say look inside of yourself, and find out what the real reason is. I bet you probably can't find any valid reason. Saying, "I'm always bitching and complaining" is not a valid reason because it's not directed towards you. I have spoken more good than bad. Most of this stuff I post in the 'ask an escort section. Learn what makes a better encounter with an escort.' Many of you non-escorts jump at the opportunity to respond days before an actual escort responds. The many times I've contributed useful or relevant information, it just gets ignored completely and the praise goes right to the same old guys all the time. But the minute I mention something that I feel could improve in the business, it's received negatively...even though it's not negative in nature. It may be 'unpleasant' to 'realize', but it in itself is not negative. We should all be mature and adult enough to face reality in a constructive manner, instead of trying to oust a person by threatening to not hire them.

 

I have never directed an issue toward any 1 forum member. I've never called out anyone and said, "so and so on the forum met with me last night and did this or didn't do that". I have also never initiated anything negative about any particular escort on the forum or mistreated them for something they have posted, or recognition that they have received. So why take it upon yourselves to make insults and gestures directly at me, if you're not the subject of the topic?

 

There is no reason to criticize me, about something I say that's not even directed towards anyone on here. Those of you claiming you won't hire me because of how I'm perceived on the forum, that has no foundation here. I have more than enough angles to be viewed on, than to believe that this is the be all, end all of my reputation. You have the reviews, the website, the ads, the blog, the pictures, the consistency. It's all there.

 

So what is the real reason? I understand that Daddy's message forum radiates the idea of White Superiority strongly onto Escort Dominion (don't believe me, just take a look at the Gallery section). Or how the only guys who really get much rank around here just so happen to be, White. Of course, that is no envy/disdain to any of those guys because I can list plenty who have been considerate to me in the business (Tristan, Chris, Mikey to name a few). But, if that's the theme here...at-least warn people like myself before we come here. Make it clear that this isn't the place for ethnics, and anyone who is will be ran off by the pitch fork mob.

 

That's all I have to say for now. Maybe someone, somewhere will learn something from this. Regardless of how it's perceived, I hold no animosity against anyone. That would be crazy. Having never met many of you, it'd be like me holding a grudge against my laptop screen lol. It's an inanimate object. All of us are.

 

 

Whiny Twit

[Newly]

Gone a few days and look at all this. It's pretty obvious that Joey is venting, and that's ok, sometimes it gets pretty boring looking at pictures of puppy dogs and pretty places. I don't think that constantly being negative is great for business, but on the other hand I have no clue as to how much of an escort's business is generated by any one site - and there's always that old saying about any publicity being better than no publicity.

[Steven_Draker]

From an escort point of view and from someone who has been here since 2002, I'd like

to encourage Joey to "vent" in an escort-only Message Board or other non-public venues.

[Phil_musc]

Is there such a Message Board? If so, how does one join? I think it would be fun to read what is posted there - sort of like being the proverbial fly on the wall in someone's bedroom.

 

Actually, I think Steven has given Joey good advice here. One's personal venting (even when justified) probably doesn't square with what a client may be looking for in the way of a fantasy (which is what most clients are looking for, I believe). We are not all on the same side here - the perspectives of client and escorts do not coincide.

[+ Funguy]

Truthfully…I think the subject of this thread actually got lost in Joey's venting and the various responses to that venting.

 

"So what is the real reason? (of Joey's hate or that of other's toward Joey). I understand that Daddy's message forum radiates the idea of White Superiority strongly onto Escort Dominion (don't believe me, just take a look at the Gallery section). Or how the only guys who really get much rank around here just so happen to be, White."

 

That sums up what this entire rant is all about: racism. And of course, another rant by Joey! Steven's advice is good….keep this bullshit out of here. I also, however, would love to be the fly on the wall at that forum to see how the other ESCORTS react!

 

Unfortunately, each and every one of Joey's complaints/rants could have been approached as a simple question: e.g.: has anyone ever left a bottle of lube with a client? and what happened? Simply wait for answers. No rants, no destructive behavior: simple question and answer.

 

But for Joey to blame his problems on racism - aw, cum on!

[+ buddy12]

+1

[+ tristanbaldwin]

Joey, there was a time when I said some VERY dumb shit on this message board. I too was going through some dark times...and made the unacceptable mistake of pointing fingers at others vs. myself, ANDDDDDDD throwing it all up here on the board for everyone to see. Criticism was directed my way; and I was too blind in my ways to see that it began as constructive criticism...when I was unwilling to see it for the positivething that it was, and instead argued back against it...ended up only creating a disaster for myself that has taken years to fix through action; not words.

 

In an industry that could almost be viewed as competitive/adversarial...many escorts would gladly stand on the sidelines and watch me self-immolate...as their own numbers and image benefited. It speaks volumes to the character of people like Steven Draker, who took the time to message me and offer some off the cuff advice on how I handle myself...and what truly might be the origin of my issues.

 

With that being said...LOL...I think we need to elect Steven as your new 'PR GUY'...that censors all your posts before you say them. Unpaid position, of course. LOL.

[tom1980]

TB -- When I started reading your post, I was sure I was reading an offer to pay it forward. I just knew you were going to help Joey improve his image the way you said others helped you. The student was going to become the teacher. Then you threw Steven under the bus. Of course, that was probably wise. Great as you are, you shouldn't start your mentoring career with someone who requires remedial level instruction.