Is vanilla slowly dying???

[Michael Wayne]

I feel sadly as though it is. I cut my teeth in this industry with good, old fashioned sucking and fucking. I got to the top because I like to kiss and be romantic offering the total boyfriend experience. Now it seems that 8 oout of 10 new inquiries want something considered in some way, "kink." Now..... before I say anything else so to NOT be misunderstood I am IN NO WAY passing judgement on bondage or water sports or whatever BUT for me I just cant get into any of that. I never have really been able to. In fact it actually turns me off and renders my cock limp and useless. Along with these calls is coming more and more illegal drug calls. "Do you party?" they say, When I politely say no then they get angry at me. Also we now face an EPIDEMIC of bareback requests in this biz and if you insist on condoms you are told that you are old fashioned and not with the times. So if I piss on a client while tying him up and punching him as we do lines of coke and tina as we get ready to bareback all night then I am a modern and hip escort? Is that what we are coming to????? Call me old school if you want but I will hold out for vanilla. Let the old school vanilla men rise up! http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop ps: i did not get into the roots and the causes of this modern phenomenon so if any of you fellow members would like to expand on any of that please do. I would love comments and feedback from clients and escorts.

[down_to_business]

As someone who is pretty "vanilla" myself, I can only speculate. I would guess that with the Grindr's and other instant apps, finding a vanilla hook-up for right now when you want it has gotten pretty damn easy. It may not be as easy to be able to get off when you have certain fetishes and other desires that might be out of the mainstream. It may be the calls are coming to scratch those itches.

 

As for idiots getting mad at you for having a "code" of what you will or won't do, I say fcuk them and keep to your set boundaries and guidelines.

 

I will add a question of my own. Whats with the increased number of escorts trying to pressure clients into bareback sex?

[Newly]

Wow. Thanks for not making me feel like a freak for not being interested in kink, although as far as others are concerned to each his own. Maybe people don't think they're getting their money's worth unless they do something they can brag about? I also don't see an escort situation as being able to do stuff you can't do elsewhere but as a way to spend some quality time with someone. Let's see, a handsome non-twink who isn't into stuff that frankly scares me. I can hardly wait until the next time I am in the Tampa area.

[unsub2O17]

Don't they say in the news, "if it bleeds, it leads"? Maybe it's the same thing here. Most guys want vanilla, but the few who want some kink get more "press"? I experimented with some bondage when I first started out, and I found that it interfered with body contact and, especially, touching with the hands (which I found much more exciting). So, I've actually gone the other way, i.e. back to vanilla. And, Mikey, I have never asked for BB, or any type of PNP. Nor, have I been asked by any escort that I've had.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Is vanilla slowly dying?

 

No, but I'm discovering an awful lot of gourmet toppings for vanilla.

[+ Gar1eth]

I feel sadly as though it is. I cut my teeth in this industry with good, old fashioned sucking and fucking. I got to the top because I like to kiss and be romantic offering the total boyfriend experience. Now it seems that 8 oout of 10 new inquiries want something considered in some way, "kink." Now..... before I say anything else so to NOT be misunderstood I am IN NO WAY passing judgement on bondage or water sports or whatever BUT for me I just cant get into any of that. I never have really been able to. In fact it actually turns me off and renders my cock limp and useless. Along with these calls is coming more and more illegal drug calls. "Do you party?" they say, When I politely say no then they get angry at me. Also we now face an EPIDEMIC of bareback requests in this biz and if you insist on condoms you are told that you are old fashioned and not with the times. So if I piss on a client while tying him up and punching him as we do lines of coke and tina as we get ready to bareback all night then I am a modern and hip escort? Is that what we are coming to????? Call me old school if you want but I will hold out for vanilla. Let the old school vanilla men rise up! http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop ps: i did not get into the roots and the causes of this modern phenomenon so if any of you fellow members would like to expand on any of that please do. I would love comments and feedback from clients and escorts.

 

Could it be due to where you are living? You are in Florida now, aren't you? Well that's a gay mecca--people come from all over--plus I'm thinking the warmth leads to less inhibitions. Colder climes always seem to be a bit more conservative in nature. But don't worry Mikey. If we ever meet, the craziest thing I might want to do is pour some Nestle's syrup over your muscular bod and tallywacker and lick it off. If I got really crazy, I might want to add ice cream, whip cream, and a cherry to top it off (maraschino--why what did you think I meant when I mentioned cherries?)> And I'd probably only do this if there were a whirlpool or hot tub available as it gets pretty sticky--or at least I'm assuming it gets very sticky:o:rolleyes:

 

Gman

[doitb4ugo]

Having gravitated early on toward "kink" I find it harder and harder to hire guys who are into it and at the the same I trust enough to let them do anything to me. As a result, I am finding that a little vanilla is not a bad thing and certainly the escorts I have seen know how to deliver really well. There is room in the world for both.

[whipped guy]

Let me preface my remarks by emphatically stating that I am not into BB, drugs, and "partying" of any kind... and not even into WS... all of which have been mentioned above...so that is not what I am referencing... but rather good "old-fashioned" S&M.

 

At any rate, I think part of what Mikey is voicing has to do with the fact that there are not as many kink specialists out there... at least relatively speaking that is... and then one has to take into consideration that of those relatively few specialists a certain percentage don't fall into the "he's your physical type" category... That has been my dilemma over the past few years. As a result I have been hiring so-called vanilla escorts... and then "corrupting" them... or is it really expanding their horizons??? For some the thought has been off putting and they have declined to try the transition... However, many of those who have given it a shot have been surprised that there is indeed a different albeit unconventional way to make love... and satisfying a partner is what it's all about... One must realize that not all of those who are into kink are doing so to be demeaned or humiliated... It is simply a alternative way to make love... and as such it is just another variation of the vanilla theme.

 

Still, I respect Mikey for his standards and if certain activities make him go limp then by all means he would not be a good match for those clients... So all the more for him to decline such sessions. Still, he should feel flattered that clients are approaching him as that means that they are not only attracted to him, but have also more than likely have heard good things about him...

 

Interestingly, a high profile escort and I got together a couple of years ago... and it was actually the escort's idea to try to make the transition thinking he would be able to offer a different set of services to his clients... He tried hard, but I could see that he just could not get into it... So it's not for everyone... but I do give him credit for trying.

 

In any event, my response here endeavors to shed some light on at least part of the thinking behind why a kink client would approach a vanilla escort.

[Diverdan]

Drugs, booze, bareback, etc. reminds me of the pre-aids and the beginning of the aids crisis. Most younger guys today have no idea of what it was like in those years, and I pray they will come to their senses before we have a repeat of that time. I believe that every man has the right to do his own thing, but not at the expense of anyone else. You can call it vanilla, but a guy who is sober, not high and into another guy with passion, has a better high than one can ever get artifically. It last longer, and will stimulate the body in very positive ways, and not negatively, like the other approach will do. I no longer will watch any porn where it is bareback, as that is supporting something that is only possible in a long term committed relationship, and certainly not part of the porn industry, even though I know it sells, and some studios promote it.

[TruHart1]

From another perspective and perhaps not necessarily related to Mikey’s original post, I have two favorite escorts in Chicago who are often praised for their BDSM skills, Romann and Raul G. Manzo. In fact, Raul is sometimes noted for making his own paddles and whips. Still, when I first hired each of them (separately, BTW) I indicated that I was only interested in vanilla.

 

In the numerous times I have hired either of them since, both have completely respected my limits as I expressed to them that first time, never pushing me to try anything “out of my wheelhouse.” In my case, I have never found any escort yet who has not respected my wishes regarding these things, including the so-called experts in kink/BDSM I have hired and who have become my friends.

 

[EZEtoGRU]

I don't know. In my world, vanilla is alive and well. I don't have much experience with kink, but it seems those that participate feel the need to constantly push the limits and what they do gets more and more extreme to get them off. I remember being in Amsterdam about 20 years ago and picking up a hot 30 year old in a club. Once we were in his apartment he wanted me to fist him and shove enormous dildos up his ass. He told me he was no longer able to enjoy straight forward sex unless he had a giant forearm sized dildo up his ass. All this at the young age of 30.

[Nvr2Thick]

I feel sadly as though it is. I cut my teeth in this industry with good, old fashioned sucking and fucking. I got to the top because I like to kiss and be romantic offering the total boyfriend experience. Now it seems that 8 oout of 10 new inquiries want something considered in some way, "kink." Now..... before I say anything else so to NOT be misunderstood I am IN NO WAY passing judgement on bondage or water sports or whatever BUT for me I just cant get into any of that. I never have really been able to. In fact it actually turns me off and renders my cock limp and useless. Along with these calls is coming more and more illegal drug calls. "Do you party?" they say, When I politely say no then they get angry at me. Also we now face an EPIDEMIC of bareback requests in this biz and if you insist on condoms you are told that you are old fashioned and not with the times. So if I piss on a client while tying him up and punching him as we do lines of coke and tina as we get ready to bareback all night then I am a modern and hip escort? Is that what we are coming to????? Call me old school if you want but I will hold out for vanilla. Let the old school vanilla men rise up! http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop ps: i did not get into the roots and the causes of this modern phenomenon so if any of you fellow members would like to expand on any of that please do. I would love comments and feedback from clients and escorts.

 

I wonder if you're just experiencing this because you're getting older. Maybe more of the vanilla clients are seeking out the escorts in their 20's and 30's. To make an enormous generalization, many of the guys into kink are guys who have done it all and graduated to sexual extremes. Is it possible that the clients who are into kink are gravitating toward the older escorts and are presuming that these escorts would be the ones with similar interests?

[BaronArtz]

I wonder if you're just experiencing this because you're getting older. Maybe more of the vanilla clients are seeking out the escorts in their 20's and 30's. To make an enormous generalization, many of the guys into kink are guys who have done it all and graduated to sexual extremes. Is it possible that the clients who are into kink are gravitating toward the older escorts and are presuming that these escorts would be the ones with similar interests?

 

I would agree with this point of view, but I would look at it from a different angle. Basically, selling escort services is like selling a fantasy. An illusion. Something that's not available to the client in his (or her) everyday life. For the younger escort, the fantasy being sold usually is youth, a sexy face, a good cock, a hot ass, a nicely sculpted chest or any combo thereof. For the aging escort, it becomes more and more difficult to sell that sort of fantasy - receding hairlines, wrinkles, a softer waist, ... it hits all of us. Except when you are Zeb Atlas. But how many of those are there out there? I always found is vaguely depressing seeing pics or video clips of aging escorts in mismatched undies and a muffin top, prancing around. It is just sad. And it is obvious to everybody, even to their most faithful 'regulars'. Therefore, the fantasy sold by these guys needs to be something different, something more daring than 'vanilla'. As looks fade, these guys need to re-invent themselves dramatically. Re-inventing yourself as an escort very often means compromise. Or kink. Or going out of business.

[whipped guy]

I wonder if you're just experiencing this because you're getting older... Is it possible that the clients who are into kink are gravitating toward the older escorts and are presuming that these escorts would be the ones with similar interests?

Clients who are into kink are definitely looking for guys who are older and wiser... Read that in the sense of not being "half baked" to quote Judge Judy. Even if an escort does not have "similar interests", simply by virtue of being older he hopefully possesses the worldly experience to act wisely, sanely, and responsibly. This does not explain why some clients are asking for PNP etc. I can't answer that because that is not my scene. However it is definitely a factor when safely performed kink is desired.

[btmstudnyc]

Mikey, I have been around since 1999 and live in NYC. I don't think vanilla is dead or over. I do believe that TV and Ads (Equinox gym comes to mind) make people want to try kinky things to see if it would spice it up. Also, it actually is safer to do it with an escort/pro than have some lame ass guy give you his version of what he thinks is 'kink.' I have the same amount of people now as I did then. I do have to admit when I was a newbie escort, I would get way more volume of clients (New Kid On the Block thing.) And after awhile, they moved on to say 'been there done that.' That being said, it seems as more guys are willing to ASK if you will do kink. Some are not sure until they get with you. Mikey, you can't tell me that when you meet someone you are really attracted to and have a connection with that you wouldn't bend some of your rules (I'm not talking about the dangerous ones, drugs, etc.) For example, I never liked my nipples pinched, but they have gotten big with all the guys who think it turns me on, now they look like they need to be pulled. I have found with some guys that it turns me on like crazy, and with others it's like petting a dog. You make me laugh a little.....vanilla was also once considered to date one guy at a time for at least a few weeks....and here you are whoring around (hahahaha) and don't think that is kinky. Yes, times have changed. Big kiss Mikey, always great posts.

 

What's the difference between a slut and a bitch?

A slut sleeps with everyone.

A bitch sleeps with everyone but you!

[Michael Wayne]

now this is what this forum is for. The answers have all been thoughtful and helpful. So let's keep it up. The aging thing is UNDOUBTABLY true. Of this there is no question. Guys think that because of my age that I play that way. Simply stated I do not enjoy pain (which is why I ended up being a top...lol!) . Now as a top there is a definite giving of pain so I guess I do qualify as dominant. But ultimately as a top I want the pain to become amazing pleaseure very fast. The real me is the guy who enjoys GIVING pleasure. As a top this confuses people who are into strict, "role," and , " roleplay." They are surprised when they realize how much I love to suck dick! The Florida answer is also true. People are wild and crazy here for sure. This place makes new orleans look tame and makes Houston, Atlanta and Chicago downright sleepy! Lol

[+ Gar1eth]

now this is what this forum is for. The answers have all been thoughtful and helpful. So let's keep it up. The aging thing is UNDOUBTABLY true. Of this there is no question. Guys think that because of my age that I play that way. Simply stated I do not enjoy pain (which is why I ended up being a top...lol!) . Now as a top there is a definite giving of pain so I guess I do qualify as dominant. But ultimately as a top I want the pain to become amazing pleaseure very fast. The real me is the guy who enjoys GIVING pleasure. As a top this confuses people who are into strict, "role," and , " roleplay." They are surprised when they realize how much I love to suck dick! The Florida answer is also true. People are wild and crazy here for sure. This place makes new orleans look tame and makes Houston, Atlanta and Chicago downright sleepy! Lol[/QUDoesOTE]

 

Does this mean you would or wouldn't be ok with my Hershey's syrup, vanilla ice cream, whip cream, and maraschino cherry fantasy after all?

 

http://mealoman.com/Uploads/morozhenoe-iz-banana/63374.JPG

 

Gman

[Newly]

Damn you Gman! I was doing so well with my diet, your picture just sent me over the edge! Not sure what Mikey thinks of your fantasy but I'm game!

[Michael Wayne]

I would love the syrup!!! and all of it.... quite vanilla! yum!!

[TwistedPuppy]

This is a very interesting thread. Reading the responses (especially from those guys that self label vanilla) makes me realize just how much kink is misunderstood. My experience with kink has grown over the past few years and I'll try things, some I like, some I do not. Each man has to find what he enjoys and for me that is an issue of intensity, sensuality and pleasure. What I have found is that I get off on providing intense pleasurable experiences to my sex partners. And while like Mikey I'm a Dom top, I have never been into causing anyone pain! If my partner enjoys a good flogging, then it gives me pleasure to provide it. If he likes nipple play, then I enjoy it. If he wants to be fucked hard, im in! If he is into CBT the I'm there. But I never, get off if he is in any kind of pain. That's just me! I continue to grow and enjoy finding new ways to amp up the pleasure and intensity of my encounters. I just received my new violet wand and I've ordered a full set of Japanese bondage rope - I can't wait for the new experiences that I have coming!

 

My advice is find a kink buddy you can trust and go exploring! New worlds await!

[devonhunter]

It's the only flavor available in my happy little world. Just saying.

[+ FreshFluff]

As one would expect, a white puff like me is all about vanilla.

 

I love the idea of getting the glass slipper put on my foot along and a pretty diamond necklace fastened on me. Additional foreplay would be rubbing my soft white back. The whole scene would culminate with us in the missionary position.

[bigvalboy]

It's the only flavor available in my happy little world. Just saying.

 

As one would expect, a white puff like me is all about vanilla.

 

I love the idea of getting the glass slipper put on my foot along and a pretty diamond necklace fastened on me. Additional foreplay would be rubbing my soft white back. The whole scene would culminate with us in the missionary position.

 

I'm with Devon and FF on this...as I get older, the flavor is much more appealing under "certain" circumstances. Every situation is different, but I have found myself perfectly OK with being with someone, and not going beyond 'vanilla'...

[Guest verymarried]

I haven't even gotten to vanilla myself. My fav turn-on is holding hands with a cute guy and kissing him on a street corner.

[+ WilliamM]

I was pretty sick in March when this thread receive the most comments, so it was completely new to me. I am vanilla also, but a small bit interested in some of the comments of others who have gone far beyond my very limited exploring.