What's Fair If One Party Cancels

[Twinkseeker]

I had agreed with an escort to come for an overnight. I had a legitimate emergency that made me completely unable to have him come see me. I called him 2 days in advance and told him I couldnt have him come. He wants me to pay him the amount anyway. He said he was counting on the escort fee for needed expenses. I told him I'd like to have him up in about a month. What's fair??? Should I send him the entire amount?

[Guest DevonSFescort]

What's fair is what you've already done -- cancel with a couple days notice and reschedule the appointment. Poor financial planning on your twink's part does not entitle him to get paid NOT to do an overnight. It's never even occurred to me to ask for money for an appointment that canceled two days in advance. It would be one thing if he'd planned a trip largely or entirely around seeing you (how far away from each other are you, by the way?), but from what you've told us it doesn't sound like he's really put out in any way other than that he was "counting on the money" (good one). What was he going to do to pay the rent if you hadn't made the appointment in the first place?

[Guest jeffOH]

>Should I send him the entire amount?

 

Was this to have been the first time you would have seen this escort?

I ask this because for first-time overnight clients I usually ask for 1/2 my fee to be sent to me in advance to confirm the appointment with the balance being paid upon my departure after the overnight.

 

It's not your fault he was counting on that money for expenses. Doesn't sound like he manages his money very well. It's not a good idea to be spending money you don't yet have.

 

Perhaps you could offer to send him at least 1/2 his fee now and tell him you'll give him the rest when you see him in a month. If he still insists on his entire fee, I'd consider hiring someone else.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[greatservice4u]

I think that if the escort is out any funds for travel booked on your behalf you owe him the cost of the travel.

 

Thats it period

 

Your notification of cancellation time is more than appropriate. If the escort lost work or tells you that he lost work then he needs to manage look at what kind of relationship he is looking for.

 

Lets face it shit happens from time to time. If you were playing around that would be another story entirely

 

I would be asking myself if this is the kind of relationship I want to enter into....deeds<actions> speek volumes

 

stay well

 

j

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[Flower]

>What's fair??? Should I send him the entire amount?

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Absolutely not, unless he legitimately incurred expense--like a non-refundable plane ticket which doesn't sound like the case here--2 days in advance under your circumstances is more than reasonable. Tell me, what would he have done if he had an emergency and didn't show at the last minute--pay for your replacement? I don't think so

 

This happens all the time and as long as either party cancels in good faith, as soon as he is aware of the exigent circumstances, that's all that can be expected. If he has any type of clientelle at all, he should be able to fill the slot :+

 

Quite frankly, the fact that he was SO OVERREACHING would cause me NEVER to call him back again. x(

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

What's Fair

 

This is another "that depends" questions.

 

Frankly, given the minimal information you provided, I am surprised at some of the client responses posted, particularly given that we have only one side of the story. After all, we do not have a video or audio tape of the escort saying "he was counting on the money for expenses."

 

On the facts presented:

 

1. you are not responsive for poor financial planning on his (or any other vendor parts).

 

2. I cannot think of a quality escort who would agree to travel to a client for an overnight session with a first time client without some form of deposit agreement. You do not provide sufficient information to ascertain if you were a first time client to this escort, if the travel was local to the escort or not, if a deposit was paid and the escort wants the full balance of the fee agreed, or any other number of details. Without this information, it is impossible to give you a truly informative response.

 

Nonetheless, "kill" fees are used in both this profession and many others, for any number of wholly legitimate reasons. A kill fee would never equal the entire amount, although in this day and age, many professional atheletes and actors get "play or pay" terminology written into their contracts. These contracts are often for very large sums. Upper management level corporate executives often get large payouts even if they are discharged by the Board of Directors.

 

It certainly is a practice, whether it is considered legitimate or not, but in your case, again you have not provided sufficient facts to respond.

 

SHORT ANSWER: Depending on what you agreed on, I would in your situation, compensate him a reasonable amount but nothing near the entire fee, nor even half the fee. I would also cover any expenses he directly incurred in addition to the payment, which would not be for his expenses, but for his time. After all, that is what escorts are being paid for, no?

[axebahia]

1. How far in advance had you scheduled the appointment?

 

2. Did he tell you at the time of scheduling that he would cancel another appointment/activity to meet you instead?

 

3. Did he incur any reasonable non-refundable upfront costs in agreeing to vist you at the specified original time?

[Huey]

Had he not been so demmanding about wanting his entire fee I might have suggested you send him a token amount as a courtesy.

 

I find it strange that an escort with any professionalism wouldn't ask for part of his fee upfront for an overnight appointment. Since he apparently did not and you gave himsuch advance notice you have no financial obligation to him.

 

Personally with his attitude I probably would not reschedule the overnight with him .

[Twinkseeker]

I had the overnight planned for 2 weeks. He didnt have to cancel anything to book the trip here. He was not out any travel funds. He did not ask for any fee upfront. This was to be our first meeting. He was supposed to call me last night to reschedule another meeting, but didn't. If he does call, I just wondered what was fair. He just said , after I had to cancel, that he was really really counting on the fee to pay some bills and had planned his month, financially, on the fee I was to pay.

[Will]

To some of us, this is a fuzzy area: is an escort a "professional" or not? There are those who say Yes, regardless of the circumstances. Those are the ones I like. There are others who say Yes, if they perceive being "professional" as an advantage, but No, when it's not. This is the latter case.

 

In any profession I know about, a client who cancels a scheduled appointment forty-eight hours in advance is not liable for anything whatsoever, not even a rescheduled appointment. If this escort did not have to travel, did not have to make any prior expenses at your specific request, and did not request some kind of deposit, then in my opinion you don't owe him a thing, any more than you'd owe your dentist or your lawyer a "fee" for cancelling forty-eight hours in advance.

[Guest Big14U]

Honestly with all that's said you don't owe a dime.

 

That escort - name unknown is hustling you. Trying to make you feel bad for not coming when circumstances beyond your control prevented you.

 

You shouldn't pay a single penny to him.

 

For my two cents - I'd love to know who it was - Just so that we the public could know who is a hustler and who isn't. It's jerks like him that give escorting a bad rep.

 

 

 

Big14U

 

If it's good the first time - how much better is it the tenth?

[Guest Kenny021]

Having given him a 2 day notice of cancellation, you are not obligated in any way to give him anything (other than expenses he would have incurred but which you say he didn't have). If you cancel a doctor's or a dentist's appointment 48 hours in advance, you do not get charged. His "financial problems" are his, not yours.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

FWIW, I think Devon and partailly Jeff have it right. I disagree with tHe half up front thing. Too much opportunity for a bad experience for any number of reasons -- no reflection on Jeff. Invoking Will's view on professionalism, one I share, whoever heard of a doctor or lawyer charging an up-front fee for making an appointment, much less half the total.

 

However, if the escort is a class guy like these two or any number of others (to be clear, by his behavior, your guys is not), I would be tempted to send my regrets along with a rose and bottle of Dom Perignon, presuming I had a delivery address.

[+ Lucky]

TY- sorry you cannot make your appointment with me. Please use my standard delivery address ...and please, make sure the delivery boy is cute!!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Lucky,

 

You're definitely on my to-do list... mabye this month!! If I had to cancel, then I'd schedule the consolation prize delivery so that I could deliver in person and maybe I'd even throw in a delivery boy too. He'd look exquisite wearing that Dom and taste even better. You would share? :+

[Guest jeffOH]

>FWIW, I think Devon and partailly Jeff have it right. I

>disagree with tHe half up front thing.

 

The 1/2 up front is ONLY if it's the 1st time I've ever seen the client. Whether it's an overnight or if I have to drive more than an hour to see them. It helps to weed out the flakes from the serious guys. I don't ask for 1/2 in advance if I've seen them already.

 

For example, last year I drove 3 hours to Pittsburgh to see a client for the 1st time. He'd wanted a two-hour appt. I got to the hotel, no client, called my voice mail and got his message that he'd left 15 mins. prior to my arrival at the hotel, cancelling. Fortunately I'd asked for 1/2 my fee in advance. I had missed out on a for-sure appt. at home and it had taken up most of my day. I was pissed, but the $250 in advance helped some. I never heard back from him.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

I do think it is appropriate to ask for out-of-local-area travel expenses upfront unless I provide an air ticket which is enough. In your case, you drive and pretty fair distances too, so asking for upfront $ to cover travel is legitmate IMO, the more so if you rebate against your overnight fee. . And if that is half your fee then I like your overnight fee a lot!!

[+ Lucky]

Of course I would share!!!