Advertising to Increase Escort business?

[DavidGartner]

I dont know if other escorts jus talk the talk but dont walk the walk when it comes to their wealth accumulated from escorting. I really dont know how they do it, doing 4 overnights a week.. etc etc all of 10 g a month + ive heard even 20 and i thought i was doing good at 5. so umm i dunno, how can i stir up business? like what sites are there.. >?? should i do sites advertise online, +magazines..??? tell me how! OH OH OMG well HELLO PEOPLE guess what ok look at ma pics in my site http://www.boysurferlive.com and IF U KNOW WHO ROBBIE BENSON is well ive been told by so many people. and im breakin into the porn business too!! HAHAH and im going by Bobbie Benson jus so ya know. jus thought id ad that random thought in for some reason.. yea ok.. anwyays yea. so answer the original question please and give me some ideas, thanks so much ur boy david xo

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>how can i stir up business?

 

Hmmm... I seem to recall that you are top. If so versatility might open up a wider client base (no pun intended just popped out). It's my hunch that twinks are more often sought to bottom.

 

Also don't recall your rates but if in excess of $200, consider the trade between total $ and # of calls at 200 vs. # of calls at 200 + whatever. Some clients won't inquire at $200+ Sometimes more work makes even more money.

 

End the end it's all about finding your market and then out-marketing the competition. Get yourself out there and then separate yourself from the rest in an attractive way.

 

Good luck.

[guyinsf]

I don't know if you are serious. I only spent about a minute at your website and it isn't typical for an escort's homepage. First of all, while I didn't explore much, your listing of "auctions" and offers to join/become a member focus on your desire to make money by simply having a homepage. I'm sure this works for some escorts, but I find it a turn-off. I did click your "about" tab and found two "red flags" in terms of marketing as an escort. The first is that you specify you are interested in young, lean, and white "boys and girls." How many of them do you expect to hire you? Secondly you go on to say that you don't like it when people are "too into sex." Again, are you serious? I understand that you might not want to be viewed as a "sex machine" by your clients -- multiple orgasms in multiple hours -- but what you wrote comes across (to me anyway) as off-putting. It would make me wonder, as a non-lean, not-young client, if you would find being with me a total "chore" instead of bringing a sense of pleasure to the meeting. (God, these old men who expect a young, cute guy like me to have sex with them, just because I'm paying them!)

[guyinsf]

Oops! My sarcastic last line should have read: "...just because they are paying me."

 

>I don't know if you are serious. I only spent about a minute

>at your website and it isn't typical for an escort's homepage.

> First of all, while I didn't explore much, your listing of

>"auctions" and offers to join/become a member focus on your

>desire to make money by simply having a homepage. I'm sure

>this works for some escorts, but I find it a turn-off. I did

>click your "about" tab and found two "red flags" in terms of

>marketing as an escort. The first is that you specify you are

>interested in young, lean, and white "boys and girls." How

>many of them do you expect to hire you? Secondly you go on to

>say that you don't like it when people are "too into sex."

>Again, are you serious? I understand that you might not want

>to be viewed as a "sex machine" by your clients -- multiple

>orgasms in multiple hours -- but what you wrote comes across

>(to me anyway) as off-putting. It would make me wonder, as a

>non-lean, not-young client, if you would find being with me a

>total "chore" instead of bringing a sense of pleasure to the

>meeting. (God, these old men who expect a young, cute guy

>like me to have sex with them, just because I'm paying them!)

[Rick Munroe]

>I dont know if other escorts jus

>talk the talk but dont walk the walk

 

In my case, I jus' suck the cock.

[DavidGartner]

actually u musta reccalled back in the day. maybe 5 months ago. i switched over to versatile for the business its jus been so freakin long since ive gotten a review

[DavidGartner]

dude i never said that was my escort website at ALL!!! NEVER EVER, what it is IS, is MY OWN cam site. like videosecrets. flirt4free, the thing is u can actually SEE me on cam and SEE preview pics for free thats the POINT, signing up is WAY more than any escort site would offer, ive got live feeds of jo, anal etc etc soi yea it snot an escort site bro

[DavidGartner]

OH and also bro, what im i suppose to say yea im into everyone older whatever whatever? mylivewebcam.com its NOT again an escort site. its a site to attract everyone. its a LIVE CAM SITE IE i have sex ont here with boys. thats what gets the moeny on that sit. cause of right now i dont have ANYTHING at all so its either that site or nothingand its not meant to offend anyone remember its not an escort site

[DavidGartner]

lol ok that provoked a laugh lol haha 2 thumbs up

[Guest Callipygean]

Hmn, I echo your sentiments, GuyinSF. He's a cutie, for sure, but that website really sends at least two discouraging messages: 1) those not meeting my select criteria need not apply [he might find being inclusive works better as a sales ploy than being exclusive]. 2) It's all about the money [hey, we know that, but the trick is being savy enough to convince clients that it isn't, thereby seducing them into parting with even more moola]. Well, he says he's only 18, perhaps experience will bring a more mature understanding of the secrets of successful escort marketing.

[axebahia]

so where is your escort web site? If you don't have one maybe that's a good place to start!

[+ Lucky]

Maybe you could have taylor write your lines for you...aaaaawwwwwwww!

[Guest fukamarine]

After having read all the postings in this thread sofar, and in particular, digesting every thing that Ms Gartner has said in rebuttal....

 

I do not have and probably would never have any desire to contribute any noney to the cash register that is disguised as an escort.

 

David baby - if you are only making 5K a month - consider yourself lucky! I'm surprised that you can make 5K a year.

 

fukamarine

[axebahia]

>I don't know if you are serious.

 

Is this a joke? No Canadians talk like he writes!

[VaHawk]

I love those escorts who "ad" random thoughts! Beautiful, just like the guy who posted it. Now, that you mention it, you do look somewhat like Robbie Benson (who, btw, I have had the hots for the last 30 years!).

 

As to your question, hmmmm, perhaps a red light in you window? Maybe wear a tshirt that says "Love For Sale"?

 

BTW: How much is the charge for seeing this live web cam shoot of you and Benjamin? Would LOVE to see that one! Damn, sure wish I was going to be in LA next weekend!

 

Best of everything guy!

[VaHawk]

On the other hand, just burn that session to a cd and sell it. I'd buy one!

[KY_TOP]

As they say Marketing is everything. Look at Munroe he uses this board and his humor to market himself constantly (oops can't pass without mentioning his ass pic). Talvin DeMachio, constant traveling escort, seems to be the ultimate in escort marketing.

 

You have a lot of competition there in LA. What can make you stand out in the crowd?

 

For my LA trip in February I used this site to hire several Escorts. In trying to decide who to hire I narrowed my choices down to 10. You were on that list of 10 primarily because of your postings here and I also find your pictures very attractive. But your reviews gave me the impression that you do not bottom. Plus you have a negative review and another that stated they probably wouldn't hire you again that I also felt was negative. Even though your response was honest, my time is important to me and my stay in LA was limited so I decided not to take a chance on you not showing up. I hired 5 times on my LA trip (one escort twice) for 2 hour sessions with each and spent over 2K. Had a great time with them all. Like I said you have a lot of competition.

 

When I return to LA I might look your way since you say you now Bottom. I've started to try and hire Escorts that regularly post in the MC. I've already met SmallTown John (had a great time) and have time scheduled with a certain DC Escort, in a few days, that posts here regularly.

 

You really do need a couple more positive reviews to balance out the negatives. I doubt my comments have helped you much but maybe a little to think about from a guy that could have hired you..

[Flower]

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] Now remember you asked for suggestions--I just didn't gratuitously do a post trashing you, OK? :+

 

First, maybe you have changed, but you originally had this smorgasbord of services vs. various costs. That turned me off, and was the initial reason I never contacted you while in LA on several occasions.

 

Secondly, your posts as well as your emails are not well thought out and written half-assed as if you couldn't care less on how they read or look 'cause you are cute and other appearances don't matter. This has nothing to do with your education or lack of it, or socioeconomic status, since anyone can have a spell checker and grammar checker if they cared to. You're obviously intelligent, so that's not the problem.

 

Thirdly, you portray an attitude of insincerity--I'm sorry, but you come across as an in-your-face flake at least to me and I personally find it unappealing. You appear extremely self centered, which is a BIG turnoff

 

You act as if escorting is NOT something you enjoy, and that may be the case, and if it is, then you should get out of it and do something you do enjoy.

 

Your post here is complaining about making ONLY $5k a month, and as fuckamarine said, count yourself lucky, 'cause not only do you make more a year than 90% of the people around the world, but you don't pay taxes on it. I'm VERY surprised you make that much, but quite frankly, most escorts don't go around bragging or complaining about their income on the Internet--I am close to 2 or 3 that have confided those kinda things in me but otherwise I haven't seen them published publicly--especially like this.

 

All of your posts here have been ABOUT YOU -- and whiny at that. There are escorts here on the MC that I am proud to know or would like to know, but they are the ones who APPEAR to enjoy their work and genuinely appear to like most of the people they meet with. I don't get that impression from you or anything you have written here, or now your pay web site.

 

For many clients, myself included, there are other intrinsic qualities in addition to sex, that the really great escorts possess and share with their clients--my impression is that the only thing you have to offer a client is sex. That's fine--just not the whole package I look for. May be what most of your clients want however.

 

On the positive side, you are cute and good looking but I'd find you much more attractive if you did something different with your hair.

 

All of the things listed above, IMHO, would get you much more business if implemented. I hope you take this as constructive feedback, 'cause there is nothing personal meant nor sought to be accomplished, other than truthfully answering your question. :+

[Guest NakedTony]

Flower, you said exactly what I was thinking but couldn't put into words. Great suggestions.

 

David, I've visited your site and am very sexually attracted to you. I've considered trying to set up an appointment but, like Flower, have been totally turned off by your posts here and your response to a negative review.

 

Would also suggest that you take some time to straighten things up in the room with your web cam. Not everyone can have a spotless house. But, if you're going to show it to the world on the internet, you should at least make that room look a little more presentable.

[Guest]

I would agree with most of what Flower said, except that I don't find you attractive at all. Most escorts who charge $250 have some special to offer. They may be famous porn stars, sport fabulous looks, or have an established outstanding reputation. If I were you, I would change my attitude, lower my rates, spend more time in the gym, and maybe do some porn. After you do that, you'll get more business and could consider raising your rates. Also, try to treat your clients the way you'd like to be treated. If you get another negative review, I don't think that anyone who checks this site out will hire you.

[VaHawk]

>Secondly, your posts as well as your emails are not well

>thought out and written half-assed as if you couldn't care

>less on how they read or look 'cause you are cute and other

>appearances don't matter.

 

So, maybe he knows his market? Is that wrong? On the HB MC of all places, you post this criticism? Let's see, every discussion degenerates into "HOW HOT" this criminal is, or that actor is, or that politician is? A very moot criticism, especially as directed towards an escort!

 

>Thirdly, you portray an attitude of insincerity--I'm sorry,

>but you come across as an in-your-face flake at least to me

>and I personally find it unappealing. You appear extremely

>self centered, which is a BIG turnoff

 

Refer to my above comments. Like he is 18, super, super super cute!! Well excuse him for being self-centered, that's wrong? when he has all these "old farts" drooling over him and fawning at his feet? Hard for anyone to handle that gracefully, let alone a teenager, so please cut him a little slack!

>

>You act as if escorting is NOT something you enjoy, and that

>may be the case, and if it is, then you should get out of it

>and do something you do enjoy.

 

As if everyone's job is their first choice, and they hop out of bed anxious to start the day? LOL!! Just like most people, he does it for the money foremost. Does that make him more of a "whore" than the rest of the population?

 

>Your post here is complaining about making ONLY $5k a month,

>and as fuckamarine said, count yourself lucky

 

I didn't see any complaining in his post! Just a query as to how he could make the 10 to 20 grand a month that other escorts have told him that they make. What's wrong with that? Many, many escorts reviewed on this site charge as much as 1500/overnight and 2 grand for a weekend! According to the math, 2 weekenders would be 4,000 coupled with 4 overnighters would be 10,000 minimum a month plus the hourlies! Not an unreasonable query, by any means.

 

>All of your posts here have been ABOUT YOU -- and whiny at

>that.

 

Well, imagine that! Aren't most posts by escorts here about themseleves? Aren't most a marketing technique? By all means, not all are, but imo, most are! What has been the least bit whiny about this guy's post?

>

>For many clients, myself included, there are other intrinsic

>qualities in addition to sex, that the really great escorts

>possess and share with their clients--my impression is that

>the only thing you have to offer a client is sex. That's

>fine--just not the whole package I look for. May be what most

>of your clients want however.

 

Well, I agree with you on this point, but from other discussions a whole heck of a lot of the other posters here are looking for sex, and just sex! There are clients for every escort and escorts for every client. If your supposition is correct, then he is the perfect escort for those "other type" of clients, and as such has a right to market himself on this site to them!

>

>On the positive side, you are cute and good looking but I'd

>find you much more attractive if you did something different

>with your hair.

 

Just your opinion, and an entirely unnecessary, negative comment. You have made a lot of positive comments, but this one is 100% negative! As a client, how would you feel if he made a similar comment to you about any of your physical attributes?

[Barry]

YIKES Hawk!! David asked for suggestions on how to stir up business. Flower and several others responded by telling David why they would NOT hire him. I would think that indeed provides some marketing information. Constructive feedback can certainly be in the form of...."this is what you're doing wrong in my opinion". Coming from one or more clients who considered hiring him but didn't this certainly should have some value.

 

You are correct in pointing out that he wasn't complaining about making $5K/month...in fact he said he thought he was doing good at that. If he can sustain that he is doing very well indeed on a "take home" basis.

 

You didn't respond or copy Flower's last paragraph which stated...

 

All of the things listed above, IMHO, would get you much more business if implemented. I hope you take this as constructive feedback, 'cause there is nothing personal meant nor sought to be accomplished, other than truthfully answering your question.

 

>Like he is 18, super, super super1 cute!!

>Well excuse him for being self-centered, that's wrong?

>when he has all these "old farts" drooling over him and

>fawning at his feet? Hard for anyone to handle that

>gracefully, let alone a teenager, so please cut him a little

>slack!

 

"Cut him a little slack"? Let's take a look at this.

 

"Like he is 18" Well all his reviews state he's 21 and he has said that as well. But that aside, David has picked up and moved from Ontario to WeHo, escorted for close to a year (making $5K/ month) and has a fairly well done, paid memebership web site where he performs sexually live. I'm not so sure I would put him in the dumb, naive little teen boy category.

 

"super, super super cute" Three supers? WOW! And what does this have to do with the subject?

 

"Well excuse him for being self-centered, that's wrong?" Not if he wants to stir up business from clients who want to pay for that attitude. There are such clients and if that's the market niche he's going for he doesn't need any suggestions from us.

 

"when he has all these "old farts" drooling over him and fawning at his feet?"

Well thank you for lumping all clients into the "old farts" category. Or were you only referring to those who criticize escorts whom you think are super super super cute? In all my years I have yet to "drool" over anyone and I've never gotten into feet let alone "fawning".

 

In his original post David asks us "so umm i dunno, how can i stir up business? like what sites are there.. ?? should i do sites advertise online, +magazines..??? tell me how!" I have to ask why is he asking us this? Based on the Travel Section Ad by Benjamin Nicholas, David already knows BN who has shown us he knows how to market as an escort. In fact he's posted on this Board about marketing. Why doesn't he ask Benjamin about where to place an ad?

 

I checked a few of the top Escort sites and indeed haven't found any ads for David. All of his reviews point to his Live WebCam site so I'm guessing that's where he directs potential clients for pics. Well, if that's where he sends potential clients then he shouldn't be surprised that some are turned off by the fact he states on that site he's turned on by "lean, white, young boys and girls". I know it's not an escort site but that's where he directs potential clients.

 

IMHO, David isn't all that naive or dumb. He has a live WebCam site that generates income. In his original post he directs us to that site and only 2 days after Benjamin directed us there in another forum. Sounds like fairly good marketing to me.

 

Barry

[Flower]

[font color="green"

]Very well said Barry.

 

If an 18 or 21 yo applied for a job representing himself to be competent in the field--say computer related customer service, the boss won't be telling customers to "cut him some slack--he's only 18!" when they complained at lack of service or attitude. And if the boss did, the customer is history and probably his business.

 

It is more so with an escort--the service is SO much more personal. If he represents himself to be a professinal escort, then he must be judged using the same criteria, age not withstanding. There are many "super super super' escorts that fail due to attitude and poor business practices. Some might even say David is not in that triple S category, so he needs to work at attitude and professinalism even more, but then beauty is obviously in the eye of the beholder :+

[VaHawk]

Well stated rebuttal, man. First off, I was not referring to all clients as old farts, but that was in reference to his post alluding something similar. And no, I personally don't care who criticizes or praises any escort regardless of the client's or the escort's age or how cute/hot I think the escort is or isn't. And yes, I'd still give him 3 supers as far as good looks goes.

 

I believe, as you said that he is certainly far from naive, and he appears to have targeted a segment of the market that he wants to pursue, and I really don't see anything wrong with that.

 

I agree of course negative feedback can help, but I really don't recall him asking for a critique of his attitude or escorting policies and I really don't see what his hair style has to do with anything he posted.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that Benjamin could give him such much needed marketing tips. However, no marketing strategy is going to change the basic nature of the product offered.

[Flower]

>I agree of course negative feedback can help, but I really

>don't recall him asking for a critique of his attitude or

>escorting policies and I really don't see what his hair style

>has to do with anything he posted.

>

[font color = "green"

] Well, it is ALL part of marketing Hawk--it's that simple. If the guy had an ugly face, there is no way I'd bring that up, since it is something he can't readily change--but hair is simple, but of course you may like his hair just fine--but the point is what will the majority of guys he is going to be marketing to gonna like? So I commented.

 

Likewise, attitudes can be adjusted--either by personal improvement or the market place.

 

When I was in a DA's office several years ago, there was an attorney out of SF who would come over to my small county of very conservative, uptight farmers and ranchers and try to defend dope cases in jury trials--he ALWAYS lost. Regardless of whether his clients were probably guilty, there were some cases that the juries should have taken longer on or probably found lesser crimes, but they always went for the max with this attorney. I never told him that the very conservative juries where I practiced hated the pony tail and the ear ring he always wore, and many would tell me so after the trial was over--this was a case of a person rendering a very personal and life altering service, trying to sell a very conservative jury that his client was not a dope dealer, yet he didn't have the common sense not to look like one himself. He didn't know or care about the market he was trying to sell himself to. A few of those cases had codefendants who got much better treatment by the jury but were represented by an attorney that acted, dressed, and wore his hair so they felt comfortable with him. Fair? Maybe not, but it's life.

 

It's that simple.:+

 

Answer me this truthfully, however. Do you think my comments, if taken to heart by your David, would help improve his business?}(