Axe to grind

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Help me out here, 'cause I seem to be missing something. For the last 3.5 years of escorting I have seen the bar raised numerous times on what is acceptable regarding the appearance, performance, education, cleanliness, drug usage, etc etc of the escort due to the fact that if we are to be advertising as Escorts, then we should present ourselves as one. Again this stems from the difference between escorts and street hustlers. And yet through all this the only thing we get for meeting those standards is a constant complain that our rates are too high. One post states that he is going to get a massage instead because he can get it for 60-70 bucks. It appears we have some people in a financial situation and clearly cant afford to play the game but are complaining loud enough that we seem to be listening. Its time you escorts stood up and said enough is enough. If you want a 50 dollar hooker, go get one, dont try to get the bargain basement prices for the brand name clothes, it doesnt work in this situation. Each realm has it place, HooBoy needs to back us up on this, pure and simple. This site was created to expose those that would try to promote themselves as professionals and not deliver, not try to make everyone a 50 dollar hooker.

[axebahia]

>Help me out here, 'cause I seem to be missing something. For

>the last 3.5 years of escorting I have seen the bar raised

>numerous times on what is acceptable regarding the appearance,

>performance, education, cleanliness, drug usage, etc etc of

>the escort due to the fact that if we are to be advertising as

>Escorts, then we should present ourselves as one.

 

Your rates seem reasonable to me, but you need to understand that some of your competitors are charging a lot more for a lot less. In my case, at least, I am not adverse to paying more for something special, but if I can get what I want for less, I'll choose that. I guess that's what markets are all about - supply and demand. Of course, as with other markets, quality control can be a big issue too, and I don't want to pay for goods or services that have been faulty or where the purchase was induced through deliberately misleading or deceptive advertising

[Will]

Self-employed persons such as escorts should know better than anyone else that supply and demand generally drive market prices for private services. For instance, since I started hiring escorts about three years ago, prices for the best New York escorts have risen by somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%, depending, of course, on the escort in question. My income has not risen accordingly, and so I am less inclined to hire escorts than I once was.

 

I don't think anybody could accuse me of disrespecting escorts. If anything, on this board I've been criticized for being too much on "their side." (Why do gay men -- men in general, maybe -- have to construe every single human relationship as though it were a battle in a war?) Even so, I don't see that there is anything inherently noble about being an "escort" as opposed to a "street hooker." It's my sense that nobility attaches itself to the professional, not to the profession itself.

 

So, to my way of thinking, being a "street hooker" is not a matter of what you charge for your services. It's a matter of how you provide that service, whether it's a fifteen-minute quickie, a massage, or a romantic weekend on Maui. There are plenty of "street hookers" in this world who earn a whole lot more than $300/hour for a simple roll in the hay. And there are a lot of "escorts" whom I would pay double their fee, if I could afford it, because they are worth it to me.

 

Finally, if I understand it correctly, Hooboy established this site so that clients could review escorts, which is to say that it's primarily for buyers not sellers. Some of us need a masseur every now and then, and I don't see anything wrong with trying to find the most satisfactory service for the least amount of money. In these lean financial times, there doesn't seem to be a large clientele for the Escort-as-Duchess-of-Windsor approach to rented romance. Like the infamous World Escort Sean, all those cuties on velvet swings seem to have vanished into thin air along with their sugar daddies. It's certainly a relief for those of us who are tempted by envy.

[+ bigjoey]

i agee with axe on this one. advertising should be honest so we know what we are getting for our money. as with any product, people will pay more for quality. as with any product, there is a wide range of prices available for various products. information makes us informed buyers so we know what we get for our money which is why this site is so important.

 

there are fine men out there who seem to be able to attract enough clients that they can hold their prices or even raise them. some escorts give special rates to steady/repeat/long-time clients just like many businesses give buyer points or like my local grocery store perfered shopper special prices.

 

while escorting is a very personal business, it is still subject to the basic business laws of supply and demand, economic conditions and smart marketing since ancient egypt.

 

with some exceptions, i have always gone for the "known" escort from this site. they may be a little more expensive but i've found them worth it. i've met some wonderful men and have no complaints that they may charge a little more.

[guyinsf]

I don't know that the bar has been raised in terms of what is expected of an escort. I just think that this forum has provided a way for consumers to communicate about their expectations. I would hope that any well-intentioned, professional escort has always been clean and has treated his clients with respect.

 

While many escorts' prices have remained stable (generally an hourly rate of between $150 and $200), I have noticed more guys attempting to get $300 or $400 per hour. In my mind it's one thing when a "porn star" tries to collect this fee. He is a "celebrity" of sorts which, to some customers, makes him more desirable. I'm astonished when I see a new escort who (a) in my mind isn't particularly handsome and (b) doesn't have a particularly spectacular body charging over the typical rate. As has been said many times, if someone can command the fee he is requesting, then obviously there isn't anything "wrong" with it. I just wonder if, in fact, some of these expensive escorts are actually working much. Unfortunately the appearance of such fees sends out signals to others that perhaps they should charge more, too.

 

As has been commented before, I doubt that the average escort price across the entire US was even $150 5 years ago. While most people understand that wages vary around the country based on the cost of living, it seems like very few escorts operate from that perspective. Perhaps they don't understand what it actually costs to live in a city like New York or San Francisco, or they don't understand that there is a larger pool of affluent gay men in those cities compared with, say, Boise, Idaho?

 

I know it gets some escorts upset, but I find nothing wrong with clients wanting to find a "bargain," particularly when the escort who is a "bargain" is more satisfying that another one who wants to charge twice as much. I've found some very attractive and satisfying guys charging between $100 and $150 per hour. I've spent $200+ on some guys who, while sexually attractive, were boring in bed.

 

All throughout, however, my standards haven't changed. I don't expect any particular "credentials" [eg, a diploma from Rick Munroe's school for escorts ] or even a different "look." I just like sexy guys with nice personalities who are able to enjoy having sex with me (or at least create that illusion).

[Guest fukamarine]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a "top drawer" escort charging a fee of $200 - $250 for a one hour session. However, he would probably find he gets more calls if the length of the session was 90 minutes. I hour is cutting it a little tight and ican inhibit the client as he feels he has to rush to get it all in - so to speak!

 

I know there are many reviews that applaud the escort for not being a clock watcher. But when making a hiring decision, the client has no guarantee that will be the case!

 

So - if you are one of those escorts who don't watch the clock too closely, then why not make it a policy that your fee is for 90 minutes. Not much to lose, maybe much to be gained.

 

What really pisses me off is an escort who also charges $250 an hour, for EVERY hour that is contracted for. Say I want a three hour session. I would not be inclined to choose an escort who would charge me $750 for that. It's highly unlikely that he would have otherwise booked 3 back to back sessions with three seperate clients, so the argument that he would be losing money does not really hold water. But if he were to charge say..... $450 for that session, I would be much more inclined to hire him.

 

And while I'm on my soap box - how does an escort come up with the outragous prices some charge for overnights? Especially when a good portion of the time is spent sleeping?

 

Escorts would do well to keep in mind that the client is paying you in "after tax dollars" so the true cost of a session with you is not just the fee you charge, but also includes the tax the client would have had to pay to earn the money he is paying you.

 

Escorts on the other hand usually collect more than their fee as it is likely they will not declare all if it (or any of it) as taxable income.

 

Now I know there will be a lot of escorts who will jump down my throat, claiming that they DO declare it. It is my opinion that they may declare some of their income - but if you believe they honestly declare every cent they make - then you probably believe in the tooth fairy too.

 

fukamarine

[btmstudnyc]

Your Clients

 

FUKAMARINE,

 

NO, I'm not going to jump down your pants...I mean throat. But, I have some questions for you.

 

Every client is different...would you agree?

 

If one client keeps you up all night and wants to play non stop for 12 hours...and another wants to just cuddle kiss and fall asleep in your arms...should you charge them the same?

 

If one client wants to fuck for 90 minutes straight and leave your ass bleeding and another wants to just jerk off while he touches your biceps...should you charge the same?

 

If you never met before and someone wanted you to shlep out to some unknown place and hotel 2 hours away for a 3 hour session...should you charge that 450 you suggested? That is 5 hours total...do you think you could do 2 sessions of two different people and make the same without traveling?

 

I really appreciate your comments...and I think after the first session, it might be easier to make a judgement or negotiation.

 

I used to work at a place where the producers would charge differently because they knew exactly how high maintenance some clients were. They knew they would ask for extra dubs, Fedex's everyday, Last minute changes....changes that were not agreed upon.

 

They knew they had to charge a minumum and go from there...and then the repeat clients would get charged for what you really knew they needed. Sometimes they would take on clients for cheaper because they knew it would help their bottom line or for prestige purposes. But ultimately those clients usually took a toll on the company.

 

I wish it were that simple fukamarine...What do you charge for PIMPING?

 

I don't understand why people get so bent outta shape when someone asks for a discount. Just say "NO" or "YES" or "Maybe it depends."

My mother used to ask for discounts at Department stores all the time...SOME snobby retailers said.."This is a department store...we don't do that here," others would say..."SURE...we have a coupon right here"...while others would just say "sorry, NO." Your reply and your tone could make the person help decide what they want to do.

 

I just don't think there is any hard fast rules to this...but I think in your head...you have to decide what your minimum bottom line is.

 

JIM

[Guest ortrud45]

Hi Michael

 

You already got some answers from fellow-posters and I do not have to add anything more substantial.

But - eventually I'm wrong - it seems to me that you have changed over the last few years: I think to remember that your earlier posts

were positive and passionate; when posting nowadays you seem to be unhappy and somehow bitter? Would it be worth thinking about it ... I

guess so?

 

I wish you all the best for your ongoing escort-career!:-)

 

Have a pleasant day, ortrud45

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Good Point...

 

I've always said that if you want the best, then you've got to be willing to pay for it. Honestly, in escorting, you get what you pay for most of the time. Sure, you can go out and find a blowjob for menial pay, but let's face it... it's probably from a toothless street-kid who closely resembles 'Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel.'

 

I too have seen people on this board complain about low rates such as $150/hr. Although i rarely ever see my guys on an hourly basis anymore, i still laugh when people try to wheel and deal on such a low rate. I realize that there are guys who are undercutting my prices hourly, but let's face it... I'm not looking for the hourly in the longrun. That is a business choice i made long ago & it's suited me very well to this day.

 

 

If you're providing top-notch service and are truly head-and-shoulders above the competition, then stick to your guns and the best will come to you

 

 

 

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[woodlawn]

I support the comments of Will (eloquent as always) and guyinsf.

 

I especially agree with guyinsf that a number of escorts who seem to me very ordinary-looking are charging high prices for their services. Apparently this is on the assumption that all escorts are fungible and are therefore worth the same amount of money. Only a small minority of the escorts I've seen reviewed here have a face and body that I would pay for at all, let alone pay hundreds of dollars an hour.

 

With regard to people who hire masseurs, I think that many escorts, especially those who put a lot of restrictions on what they will do for a client, don't provide an experience that is much different from an erotic massage, so what is the point of paying such escorts four or five times the amount a masseur gets?

 

Finally, like all generalities the notion that "you get what you pay for" is often wrong. I've never hired a streetwalker, but among the escorts I've hired from ads and from this site I have never seen any relationship between the amount I paid and the amount of enjoyment I derived from the experience.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

> I've always said that if you want the best, then you've got

>to be willing to pay for it.

 

Sorry, my experience with wine has taught me differently. There are some real gems at stratospheric prices and there is little better than bilgewater to be had at the same stratospheric prices. ALso, there are real gems at modest prices as well as crap. The heavy hitters ususally price on realized quality that is delivered. Others price according to faded reputations from years past, some to position themselves in a particular stratum as they desire to be perceived -- based on some real or imaginary lineage or property setting that may or may not offer a benefit that was realized or not -- attitude and snobbery.

 

I''ve seen more than a few consumers buy assuming they 'get what they pay for'. Some took my advice when I had direct knowledge to offer and some chose to 'get what they pay for' -- and got screwed IMO. (Does that make them a wine bottom? :+ ) , However we all have different tastes.

 

> Honestly, in escorting, you get what you pay for most of the time.

 

I don't think I can go with this one either. If this were true then shopping would be reduced to searching rates for the guy offering services of interest. And, of course, the best experience would be guaranteed by hiring the guy with the higest rate (on average). No, I think this criterion is bogus.

 

Most escorts, I think, price their services based on what they think the market will bear, not on the quality of their service. Many don't even offer much service, limited to 'being serviced' or otherwise less than full service. Youngsters get into the market and try to command $250, $300, up to $400 per hour -- in a second tier market. They bring no porn reputation to the scene and nothing in their ad indicates any special prowess, training, or physical attributes that separates them from the crowd. Some have the attitude that access to their body alone is worth $200. I don't concur.

 

Four of my very best ever overnights have been priced below the average based on what I see quoted all the time. They brought certain intangibles beyond their body and sex to the occasion -- attitude, chemistry, perceptiveness, sensitivity, ...-- as have some good hourlys. A lot of guys wouldn't know these intangibles if it hit them in the face. They are there to get it on and the client off. Not everyone mind you, but many. If that is all there is, then I'm essentially paying for my orgasm, which can be had for free. Even if I choose to pay, how much is a simple orgasm worth? What I seek is chemistry, passion, realized lust, an orgasm, a modicum of warmth and tenderness -- what the better escorts offer.

 

Of course some escorts are better than others and an argument can be made that they should command higher rates than the others. Problem is, most everyone thinks they fall into this class, and if they don't they still think that they also deserve the going rate. If this were not the case then there would be a much greater spread in quoted rates observed. Fortunately there are some great guys who like the work, and offer excellent service at reasonable rates. I surmise that one of the things that sets these guys apart is that they are in it for the longer haul, an indicator that they like what they do.

 

That's my view anyway.

[Donnie]

>If you're providing top-notch service and are truly

>head-and-shoulders above the competition, then stick to your

>guns and the best will come to you

 

Wins the award for most cliches in one sentence.

[taylorky]

>>If you're providing top-notch service and are truly

>>head-and-shoulders above the competition, then stick to your

>>guns and the best will come to you

>

>Wins the award for most cliches in one sentence.

 

 

:9 now THAT'S funny............taylor@23:12-04/16/03

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>If you're providing top-notch service and are truly

>head-and-shoulders above the competition, then stick to your

>guns and the best will come to you

 

One of the theses of your post is a positive correlation between escort quality and rate. Granting your thesis then if I infer correctly, the above statment also poses a positive correlation between the escort rate and quality of clientel. Speaking only of the 'escort market' I'm not persuaded that any such correlation exists. On the contrary, I think it more likely to be a negative correlation -- some clients payiing more might be more demanding and less considerate more often than the average client.

 

As an aside. you have been on my list to meet. }( It is ok if the disagree on philosophical questions, isn't it?

[Donnie]

>I

>have never seen any relationship between the amount I paid and

>the amount of enjoyment I derived from the experience.

 

I cant imagine you deriving enjoyment from any experience aside from misery.

[Flower]

[font color ="green"

] I have to agree with Tampa here. While there are many good points on this thread, price is not a guarantee of anything but the price! While a great escort can also be the most expensive, high price is no guarantee of greatness :+ nor is low or lower price an indication of lesser quality.

 

I'm sure that some, many, most base their rates on ALL THE MARKET WILL BARE, but many others seem to take other things into consideration as well, such as how good a time they have with the client, hygiene, where they go, etc.

 

I'm in a service oriented business and I certainly like to tell my clients they have to pay for the best, but in reality, if others in my profession started lowering their rates, at some point I'd also have too. And if a very good client said my rates were too high, then I would probably make some adjustments if there were other benifits of his business--it's that simple--we are all in an open market place, and competition is the great equalizer

 

Usually, if I find a really, really good escort, then I like to stick with him for a while almost to the exclusion of others (longest has been 3yrs), but to do that, his rates have to be reasonable and not what I'd normally have to pay for a one time meeting with a stranger--Familiarity has it's benefits for both of us. I don't like to negotiate rates with escorts, nor with any personal service, and usually don't--so if the tariff is too high, I just pass and find another rather than dicker and then have hurt feelings or awkwardness on one or both sides--negotiation just doesn't fit the chemistry I like with an escort I intend to see over and over.

 

On the other end of the equation, I've started out with some great escorts who were very reasonable in price, but then seemed to let popularity go to their heads and soon out priced themselves, at least for me--again I don't negotiate but simply look elsewhere. If their prices go too high for the general market, they will soon know it, but if they continue to get business, then more power to them--they just won't have mine and I'm sure they couldn't care less.

[Will]

People who know what they're doing will never, ever, allow themselves to be guided by the price. I don't know about wine, but I do know about antique furniture and Old Master paintings. Based on that, I can tell you without any hesitation whatsoever that there is absolutely no fool-proof correlation between the quality of the goods and the asking price.

 

Just as there are lots of tacky, flashy, loud-mouthed browsers at pre-sale auction exhibitions who think that the more they spend the better they'll get, there are probably a lot of clients who also have more money than sense, and who will think that they're getting the best escort because they're paying the highest fee. They're wrong. And there are even more escorts out there who think that the higher the price they can command, the "better" they must be. That is what I have called on this thread and elsewhere The Duchess-of-Windsor Syndrome, which is to say that a woman who earns her title while flat on her back will never be a lady.

[guyinsf]

You seem like a nice guy, but your stereotype is wrong. I regularly hire a very cute UCLA student for mutual oral and kissing (and he even begged me to fuck him one time) for $120. He's a smart, nice guy; has all of his teeth; and looks nothing like Cleetus. I hired another guy a couple of times -- hunky build, cute face -- who rimmed and fucked me after I got to suck his huge cock, all for $120. I have hired another guy a number of times for $80 -- erotic massage with me getting to blow him -- and he is EXTREMELY sexy in both face and body. I have not reviewed any of them here because none of them wanted to be reviewed.

 

On the other hand, I hired a porn star for $200 per hour and was bored in bed. I hired a muscle stud who, indeed, was very sexy to look at but who, for $200, would only let me blow him; he never got hard and did not come; the only place he touched me was on the back of my head. I didn't review the first guy because I don't necessarily think it was the guy's "fault" that I wasn't that excited to be with him; the chemistry just wasn't there in person. I would have reviewed the second guy but I hired him well before I even knew this site existed.

 

This is all to say that I don't believe that someone's fee has anything to do with the quality of either his work or how he looks. Mind you, I'm not saying that I think $150/hour is an unreasonable fee. It seems pretty typical to me for a fully interactive escort. In my experience, however, some guys charge less than that and are still top-notch (and some "erotic masseurs" perhaps go farther with some clients than others for the same fee, depending on chemistry).

 

>Good Point...

>

> I've always said that if you want the best, then you've got

>to be willing to pay for it. Honestly, in escorting, you get

>what you pay for most of the time. Sure, you can go out and

>find a blowjob for menial pay, but let's face it... it's

>probably from a toothless street-kid who closely resembles

>'Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel.'

>

> I too have seen people on this board complain about low

>rates such as $150/hr. Although i rarely ever see my guys on

>an hourly basis anymore, i still laugh when people try to

>wheel and deal on such a low rate. I realize that there are

>guys who are undercutting my prices hourly, but let's face

>it... I'm not looking for the hourly in the longrun. That is

>a business choice i made long ago & it's suited me very well

>to this day.

>

>

>If you're providing top-notch service and are truly

>head-and-shoulders above the competition, then stick to your

>guns and the best will come to you

>

>

>

>

>Warmest Always,

>

>

>

>

>

>Benjamin Nicholas

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Just as there are lots of tacky, flashy, loud-mouthed browsers

>at pre-sale auction exhibitions who think that the more they

>spend the better they'll get, there are probably a lot of

>clients who also have more money than sense, and who will

>think that they're getting the best escort because they're

>paying the highest fee. They're wrong. And there are even

>more escorts out there who think that the higher the price

>they can command, the "better" they must be.

 

Amen... Amen!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Help me out here, 'cause I seem to be missing something. For

>the last 3.5 years of escorting I have seen the bar raised

>numerous times on what is acceptable regarding the appearance,

>performance, education, cleanliness, drug usage, etc etc of

>the escort due to the fact that if we are to be advertising as

>Escorts, then we should present ourselves as one.

 

I am unaware of this escalation of standards. Three years ago as a newbie hiring escorts off the internet, the guys I saw the first year -- maybe eight or so -- were all clean. presentable, well educated, d&d free, etc. They were every bit as 'professional' as I find today -- maybe aa little more so, on average, because there seems to me an influx today of newbie opportunists plying the trade with varying 'quality'.

 

 

>And yet through all this the only thing we get for meeting

>those standards is a constant complain that our rates are too

>high.

 

I cannot say that the rates are too high. I can say that many are asking more than I will pay. I have seen prices increase in the better markets from 150/175 to 200/250 and even more. And the price escalation seemed to happen in a very short time over this three year period, most in year two. I don't think that the consumer price index has inflated at that rate. Also, I don't think that the escort/client ratio has changed much to alter the supply and demand equation.

 

What I think has happened is that the internet while opening up the escort trade has also facilitated the dissemination of escort rates across the country. The market has changed from 'local' to 'national'. Escorts in Spokane are pricing themselves like escorts in Chicago and escorts in Boston and Miami pretend to NYC prices. I dare say that this site has probably been the most effective facilitator for 'nationalizing the market'.

 

I have no problem with escorts setting their rates, but I do use rate all the time as a discrimator for whom I will contact. Also, I will respectfully decline based on rate and I will say so. I have a ceiling rate that I don't exceed. I never attempt to negotiate an escort down but have accepted an escort rate reduction at his initiative. If a regular of mine increases his rate, I pay the increase even if he doesn't ask ,as long as it doesn't exceed my ceiling. (If it does, then I will stop hiring him.) I don't want the guy thinking that he is 'paying a premium' to see me. Eventually, it will interfere with the quality of the association.

 

It's a free market -- free to set rates and free to pay what one desires. Sure, it is disappointing to know that clients complain about rates and hire less. It is also a disappointing for clients to see rates increase so that they can afford 'entertainment' less often. Most clients don't have an unending supply of disposeable income. Many of us have to live within a budget -- escorts and clients alike. In times of economic decline we have to work harder to maintain our standard of living or endure the decline until the economy recovers. Sad but true. ;(

[Spida]

Okay I didn't read every post so I will apologize right now if this is redundant.

 

However, I have hired a few different escorts, I am by no means an expert! However, the most expensive escort I hired was 275.00 he was good looking great body! He did nothing! He was boring! He smiled and was great to look at and if you are into muscle worship okay. But I am not and he knew that before hand.

 

I have found a nice guy who is good looking and is great! In a local paper and he charges 100.00 bucks an hour. Who would I return to? The second even if he charged 200.00! My point being I think that what I read and what I have seen in my limited experience is sometimes those who don't charge quite as much TRY HARDER!

 

Everytime I have hired a higher priced or "Well Known" escort he has been NICE but boring. I don't know where some of the reviews come from??? If you are going to charge an outragous price I think you should be willing to live up to it. When I contract my services and I am not cheap when I contract out the client gets great service if they didn't I wouldn't have work! It seems as though in the escort business this isn't true. I have found many guys that are the "Microsoft" of escorting.. Great advertisement but the product doesn't live up to what it promises!

 

Just my 2Cents..

[Guest alanm]

I have been harder hit than most by the bad economy -- stock market losses and no pay raise for a few years. The point made above about few, if any, escorts paying full taxes needs to be considered. Most clients pay taxes to the max.

 

Quality wins out in the end (no pun intended) for me. I would be willing to pay high prices for Kristian from Houston, Tristan Walters and a few other escorts (that's why this site is so valuable). But, some of the prices being charged in places like NY & LA are way out of my price range, unless the escort is someone like Billy Brandt.

 

I can not be the only one who has less disposable income than a few years ago and escorts need to understand that not every client is rich.

[Flower]

[font color = "green"

]Sometimes, all the higher price buys is moe attitude. I've found that guys who haven't been "discovered" not only have more affordable rates, but have much better (read: NO) attitude, and are just more fun to be with. This allows more meetings and more get acqauainted time -- I'd much rather be with a few good men than many--but that's just me :+

 

When someone has been "discovered" whether it from this site or a porn star or whatever, they're likely to be much too busy for my liking and hard to book and you feel like you're standing in line at the butcher shop waiting for a number to be called--not what I want:-(

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

My post on this board is in no way a reflection of my personal or business life, neither does it have any effect. I am responding to an issue that has been of late more and more apparent. Replies of this type are intended to keep our mouths shut and just make do with the way things are handed to us, but it doesnt effect me. i made a statement about an observation and will continue to do so even when some try to make me look negative or suggest leaving the business

[Guest endoman31]

I respect you and do not want to argue. I wish I could hire you here in the Big apple.

 

One of my regulars has left the area because he could not earn enough; too many escorts in NY.

 

Another who I have seen regularly for over 2 years recently had to borrow rent money from me. I took it out in trade.

 

 

the last of my regular guys has not raised his rate in 2 years. He gives lots of time.

 

All three of them gave of their time to the rate of $100/hour. They are great and are a bargain, clean, reliable and as close to a lover as you could get.:7