morally bankrupt people ??????

[woodlawn]

>While it's nice to hear contrary views, I just plain object to

>the moralizing and condescension that too often accompanies

>their posts.

 

If you object to moralizing you should probably stay away from threads like this one that are about moral issues. I don't see how you can expect people to talk about their personal moral views but never say 'I think this is right and this is wrong.'

 

>For Chrissake, isn't this site all about

>celebrating individuality and the right of people to do "their

>own thing"??

 

It depends on your point of view. How many posts have I seen ripping apart some escort because he broke his word by not showing up for an appointment? Or because he promised to do some particular sex act and then wouldn't do it? So people here think breaking an appointment for a fuck date is a dastardly deed, but it's wrong to criticize someone who breaks marriage vows? Remember, no judgments!

[phage]

It’s kind of hard to be judgmental on a ‘Hookers and Ho’s’ message board!;-)

 

I’m not arguing that we aren’t wired differently. There are obvious evolutionary reasons why men would be wired to spread their seed as far and wide as possible. And also reasons for women to be wired for monogamy. My point is that you don’t have to give in to this instinctual urge anymore than you give in to the urge to run away whenever you feel threatened. This just happens to be an urge that we LIKE to give in to.

 

And taking it a step further. Even if the biological imperative is absolutely irresistible…there isn’t any wiring that would keep someone from being honest about it.

[+ Lucky]

">No, but my balls were, until I got sucked off about 15 minutes

>ago and blew a good-sized thick load on a cocksucker's face.

>

 

Somehow I had the impression you were into safe sex. It looks like I was misinformed."

 

What is unsafe about that? You come on skin is not unsafe unless there is an open wound....

[KY_TOP]

"morally bankrupt people??????"

 

Almost everyone's idea of morality is different and many times determined by things in our life...like how we were raised, our schooling, religion or other factors. My mother and grandmother think it is immoral to drink alcohol, some on this site seem to think that a Gay man in the Closet is immoral, while others may think that all Lawyers are immoral. We each have our own views of right and wrong.I associate morality to judging people and if we lump everyone that does something we do not agree with as being immoral, without knowing their specific circumstances, we are like the Extreme Religious Right in this country that preach all Gay people are immoral. It is great that you have such great loving parents, be thankful for them, but don't judge everyone that does not, nor cannot live up to that standard, without knowing their individual circumstance.

 

I think the real issue is Honesty and Trust not "Morally Bankrupt" but then again Honesty and Trust may be apart of morality for some. Some people can have Honesty and Trust in an open relationship and I do not see how that can be immoral.

[Guest jeffOH]

RE: The Inexperienced passing judgment

 

>I'm a little confused. Did you interpret my post as saying it

>did? I thought I was pretty cleat that men especially are

>able to look at sex as just a physical activity that is

>separate from feelings/love they may have for their

>wives/partners.

 

LBB

 

Sorry for the confusion. My post was in response to taylorky. I was too lazy to scroll back up and click on "Reply" in his post.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Donnie]

>What is unsafe about that? You come on skin is not unsafe

>unless there is an open wound....

 

Of course it's not unsafe. Come on, Lucky. You know he was just trying to bait another escort into arguing with him. And he slipped up this time. He started out as "newawlens" but then started using "woodlawn." The fucking moron can't even keep his aliases straight.

[Flower]

> However, I’m not buying the ‘men will be men’

>justification. We are also hardwired with a ‘fight or flight’

>response and programmed to hunt and gather, but we overcome

>instinctual drives all the time. This is just one we choose

>to indulge because it feels so good.

>

> We are also hardwired with a ‘fight or flight’

>response and programmed to hunt and gather, but we overcome

>instinctual drives all the time. This is just one we choose

>to indulge because it feels so good.

>

In my college pysch class, I learned that sex and food were the 2 main drives humans had and that many (rats--the white kind in cages and mazes would pass on food for sex--even to the point of starvation. So not sure that comparison of sex with fighting or running away is the best analogy or proves men can overcome "their wiring"

 

But here's a question that I have forTaylor -- if he is really just a 21 year old kid living at home with his parents, and apparently moralistic and judgmental as as young kids can be, then why is he frequenting almost daily a site such as this, featuring escorts and men who hire escorts and who talk about sex and hiring escorts for sex? I mean, aren't there a lot of church sites, youth gay sites, and other sites more in keeping with a moralistic, judgmental point of view?

[taylorky]

well well flower i think i will answer your questions.

 

#1...no i'm not 21....i'm 20

 

#2...yes we do live at home (jeessshhhh surprised it took this long

for somebody to be critical of that fact)

the reason is we both decided to attend U.K. as opposed to an out

of state school,and decided we would live at home until he

finishes his first year. so as long as our folks have no problem

with it,and we have have no problem with it...i don't give a shit

what anybody thinks

 

 

#3...i don't come here daily....hell i don't do anything daily..but if

if i did ........so.

 

#4...why do i come here? well i don't know any answer other than

i think it's interesting.hell i subscribe to playboy. and i sure

as hell don't want any pussy.

 

#5...church sites........whoa slick jerry falwell have you on

retainer????no no church sites. the only time you will find me in

temple is when i'm dragged by the family.

 

#6...youth sites......what the fuck would i do at a youth site..pffft

 

#7...me moralistic and judgmental,....reading your post it appears you

fit that niche group far better than me. oh and for your info.

my family is closer to the osbournes than the osmonds...sans the

langauge.

 

#8 one more thing slick.....if expecting people to honor vows,

promises, and committments is wrong....than we as a people are in

a heap of shit.........

 

craps what a meshugene..........taylor@05:29-02/11/03

[Flower]

>well well flower i think i will answer your questions.

*****

>#2...yes we do live at home (jeessshhhh surprised it took this

>long

> for somebody to be critical of that fact)

 

NOT critical at all -- why would you interpret what I ASKED as being critical of you living at home. I think it's great and am sure your parents appreciate any time you spend with them even more so now, as obviously the time is drawing near when you go out on your own. So no critcism and sorry you took it that way (:

>#7...me moralistic and judgmental,....reading your post it

>appears you

> fit that niche group far better than me. oh and for your

>info.

> my family is closer to the osbournes than the

>osmonds...sans the

> langauge.

 

Again, I wasn't being critical and realize it's natural for kids to be that way--But since you seem defensive about it, just look at the title of your post. Anytime you start a post with "MORALLY BANKRUPT PEOPLE??????" you are being a tad BOTH moralistic and judgmental, and your post bore it out. A few other folks here seemed to feel so too. But again, neither I nor anyone else I can see has criticised you. I just asked you a couple of questions since I was curious.

>#8 one more thing slick.....if expecting people to honor>vows,

> promises, and committments is wrong....than we as a

>people are in

> a heap of shit.........

> craps what a meshugene..........taylor@05:29-02/11/03

 

Taylor, maybe you should re-read my post less defensively. Certianly there was no criticism there. While the ideals you seemed to be propounding are honerable and commendable, at least be willing to discuss without name calling and apparent hostility

[Guest in yer face]

I suppose the real question here is what even prompted this post. What is going on in Taylors head here? What is he even talking about? It occurs to me that he is working somehthing out. Does he think that maybe his own BF is fucking around? These are not the kind of statements that a happy, well adjusted person makes. I smell insecurity here, and perhpas a little bit of overly dramitic youthful bullshit as well.

[taylorky]

flower.........your right ......you didn't deserve that and i apologize for overreacting. but........heeee heee always a but with my apologys..the subject was "morally bankrupt people ??????"

 

the 6 ?s are part of it..........taylor@13:57-02/11/03

[woodlawn]

>>What is unsafe about that? You come on skin is not unsafe

>>unless there is an open wound....

>

>Of course it's not unsafe.

 

Squirting your bodily fluids onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth is not unsafe? I didn't think this was possible but it is: you're even more of a fool than you seem.

 

 

Come on, Lucky. You know he was

>just trying to bait another escort into arguing with him. And

>he slipped up this time. He started out as "newawlens" but

>then started using "woodlawn." The fucking moron can't even

>keep his aliases straight.

 

Even a drooling idiot like you should be able to figure out that I don't need another poster's permission to comment on a conversation he is having. You know, with most people the brain doesn't get eaten by worms until after death, but with you the process seems to have started a little early. Maybe if you sprayed a little Raid in your ears that would help.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Phage,

 

You see through my eyes... in this post and your follow-up below.

 

 

One cannot have commitment without honesty and openess, else one has a charade.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>

>This is no doubt a minority view, but that's what I think.

 

I often find myself in the minority too... and there is much (maybe all) in your view to which I subscribe.

 

>

>There's a difference between being a one-woman man, which is

>what "monogamous" literally means, and being committed to

>someone.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. Many have their view of commitment -- moral commitment, physical commitment, economic commitment, unilateral vs. bilateral commitment... I'm interested in your view of a 'committed relationship" if you would share. I anticipate that it will lead us to the crux of this thread title.

[digicamman]

>I suppose the real question here is what even prompted this

>post. What is going on in Taylors head here? What is he even

>talking about? It occurs to me that he is working somehthing

>out. Does he think that maybe his own BF is fucking around?

>These are not the kind of statements that a happy, well

>adjusted person makes. I smell insecurity here, and perhpas a

>little bit of overly dramitic youthful bullshit as well.

 

I think it is interesting that someone that age, not an escort, is even looking at this board quite frankly. When I was in my early 20's I would never have related to the age group that appears to be best represented here, nor cared about reading their trials and tribs.

 

Maybe he's scared that what he reads here is all that his future holds and it scares the shit out of him especially compared to the apparent idyllic situation he believes his parents to have--and that represents possibly his 2 choices. (I should be a shrink:) -- LOL .) Or Not.

 

But I hope he realizes that there is much more to being a gay man what he reads on this board. I was also interested in the apparent dichotomy between the tone of his original post and one his later replies--are there 2 taylors?