Who believes Pete Townshend?

[Guest RetrdEscrt]

I've been in London for the last month on vacation and the press here is seriously depressing,if its not War on Iraq,then its gun crime and the British Economy,and over the last couple of days the Townshend allegations have been front page news.

 

Personally i dont believe what he says about accessing sites for research on his forthcoming autobiography,WHY would anyone access this sort of crap in the name of research or otherwise,if you have been abused as a child ,as he said he was and years later realises that then why do you feel the need to access child pornography to check to see if it was abuse he was suffering.

 

If he has images on his hard drive and is found to have been distributing indecent images then let the law take care of him ,paedophiles need to be erased from our society a.s.a.p and it doesnt matter if you are a major rock star or actor RE. the Paul Reubens furore that has been going on in Hollywood then you need to be dealt with if you are guilty.

 

Me I'm just glad to be going home tomorrow.

[ad rian]

>I've been in London for the last month on vacation and the

>press here is seriously depressing,if its not War on Iraq,then

>its gun crime and the British Economy,and over the last couple

>of days the Townshend allegations have been front page news.

 

> Me I'm just glad to be going home tomorrow.

 

I arrived in Europe a couple of weeks ago, and all I can say is what a pleasant oasis from the war-mongering, panic-filled

(not to mentioned biased) cable-media ratings driven press coverage of the war(s) on Iraq and terror in the United States.

 

On Pete Townshend though, I totally agree. Any bets whether the outrage will reach the Michael Jackson's thriller records?

[+ Lucky]

...yawn...blah blaah

blah...jewish conspiracy....bla blah blag...damian kruezer...blah blah blah...Tommy....bandwidth...yawn...money will talk...slump!

[ad rian]

>...yawn...blah blaah

>blah...jewish conspiracy....bla blah blag...damian

>kruezer...blah blah blah...Tommy....bandwidth...yawn...money

>will talk...slump!

>

 

More incoherent babbling from you, but why should today be any different, I guess!

[+ Lucky]

So adrain is in London! Have a good time! Why are you checking in here every four hours? Forget this place for awhile.

[ad rian]

January 13, 2003

Pete Townshend Is Arrested in Porn Case

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

 

Filed at 9:09 p.m. ET

 

LONDON (AP) -- Pete Townshend, the legendary rock guitarist and co-founder of The Who, was arrested Monday on suspicion of possessing indecent images of children, police said.

 

Townshend has acknowledged using an Internet Web site advertising child pornography, but said he was not a pedophile and was only doing research for an autobiography dealing with his own suspected childhood sexual abuse.

 

Police said they arrested Townshend, 57, under the Protection of Children Act after executing two searches at a business and a home in Richmond, Surrey, the town outside London where he lives. They said they took computers from the home and were examining them.

 

Townshend was not charged with a crime. Under British law, suspects are not charged immediately upon arrest and some people who are arrested are eventually released without charge.

 

Townshend was being held at a southwest London police station.

 

In a statement on Saturday, Townshend said that on one occasion he used a credit card to download pornographic images as part of his research and that he reported what he saw to police.

 

Townshend, who helped form The Who in the early 1960s, said he believed he was ``sexually abused between the age of five and six and a half.''

 

``I cannot remember clearly what happened, but my creative work tends to throw up nasty shadows -- particularly in 'Tommy.' Some of the things I have seen on the Internet have informed my book, which I hope will be published later this year,'' he added.

 

The title character in Townshend's rock opera ``Tommy'' -- a deaf, dumb and blind pinball wizard -- is sexually abused by an uncle.

 

Earlier Monday, a group of police officers arrived at Townshend's Richmond home, one carrying a plastic crate containing packaging to store potential evidence.

 

His lawyer John Cohen told reporters the meeting with police was by ``mutual agreement.''

 

``We approached the police this morning and said that we should meet,'' he said.

 

Townshend, unshaven and wearing a black jacket, left his house by a side entrance at 7:20 p.m., about four hours after police arrived, and was driven away.

 

Scotland Yard later announced that a 57-year-old man was in custody on suspicion of making and possessing indecent images of children and of incitement to distribute them. A police spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the suspect was Townshend.

 

The arrest came as part of Operation Ore, a crackdown on people who view child pornography on the Internet.

 

British police have arrested 1,300 suspects as part of the sweep, including a judge, magistrates, dentists, doctors and a deputy school headmaster. Fifty police officers also have been arrested, and eight have been charged with offenses.

 

Operation Ore is the British arm of an FBI-led operation which traced 250,000 suspected pedophiles around the world through credit card details they used to pay for downloading child pornography. The names of British suspects were passed on to police here by U.S. investigators.

 

Townshend's friend, the model Jerry Hall, said Sunday he was an ``avid supporter'' of child welfare groups and had spoken at length about the dangers of child pornography on the Internet.

 

Daltrey, Townshend's bandmate from The Who, said: ``My gut instinct is that he is not a pedophile and I know him better than most.''

 

But Internet watchdogs have dismissed Townshend's explanation for entering an Internet site dealing with child pornography.

 

Mark Stephens, a lawyer and vice chairman of the Internet Watch Foundation said: ``It is wrong-headed, misguided and illegal to look at or download or even to pay to download pedophiliac material and if you do so, you are likely to go to prison.''

 

Townshend was one of The Who's four founding members, along with bassist John Entwistle, singer Daltrey and drummer Keith Moon. Moon died in 1978 and Entwistle died last year.

 

The group, founded in London in the early 1960s, was part of the British rock invasion along with the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. Their parade of hits included ``I Can See For Miles,'' ``Pinball Wizard,'' and ``Won't Get Fooled Again.''

 

The Who has been known for explosive shows that often culminated in the smashing of their musical instruments on stage.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Townshend.html?pagewanted=print&position=top

 

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[BewareofNick]

Well, he's either in between "training" sessions with his altar boys, or conducting his weekly meetings of the Hitler Youth. Or maybe both?

[ad rian]

>Well, he's either in between "training" sessions with his

>altar boys, or conducting his weekly meetings of the Hitler

>Youth. Or maybe both?

 

No, I would never hold either meeting without you. You know you are my most prized stydent!

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[Rick Munroe]

I believe him and not just because I'm a major Who fan. Here, read this article from internet-magazine.com: http://www.internet-magazine.com/news/view.asp?id=3069 He says he never downloaded anything and the proof of that would be on his hard drives, which he willingly turned over to police.

[BewareofNick]

Stydent? Is that that a Yiddish word?

[Rick Munroe]

I just read this on mtv.com:

 

Townshend's fate will likely be determined by the contents of the computers removed from his home by police, but at this point there is some evidence supporting his assertions that he passionately opposes child pornography. In a post on his official Web site in January 2002 (which has since been taken down), Townshend wrote about the need to prevent people from easily accessing child porn on the Net.

 

"It must be time to do something more concrete to stop the proliferation of questionable pornography that seems so readily and openly facilitated by the Internet," he wrote. "The Internet provides a very short route, indeed, to some of the most evil and shocking images of rape and abuse. The subconscious mind is deeply damaged and indelibly scarred by the sight of such images. And I can assure everyone reading this that if they go off in pursuit if images of pedophilic rape, they will find them. I urge them not to try ... If they do, they may, like me, become so enraged and disturbed that their dreams are haunted forever."

[VaHawk]

You know, Rick, if this had happened here in the US instead of England they probably would have already convicted Pete in the national press, regardless of the fact that our constitution states that you are innocent until proven guilty! I am going to assume, until proven otherwise beyond reasonable doubt, that as he stated, he made a bad error in judgement in trying to tackle the problem of child pornography head-on (please no puns here!), rather than deferring to the authorities. Given his record in battling child abuse, sexual and otherwise, I sincerely believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt! As someone who grew up in an emotional, physical and sexually abusive environment, I know that I hate anyone who would hurt a child in any way and that I don't hesitate to interfere in stopping that abuse!

 

BTW - I appreciated your posting of the PEEWEE article from the Village Voice as it looks like he is also being railroaded unfairly! As someone in the same peer group as PeeWee, agewise, I can identify with the points about naked boys in the magazines back then. I can remember that the first time I saw pictures of naked men/boys in a mag was when I was 14 and sneaked into the adult bookstore on 14th street in DC with my 15 yo brother and we looked at nudist camp mags. Of course, he was looking at the girls "he's so straight!", but you know what I was looking at!

[ad rian]

>Townshend's fate will likely be determined by the contents of

>the computers removed from his home by police,

 

True, but the initial reports claimed that he entered the site only once and paid with a credit card to do his "research". My bet is that is probably not the complete truth and that his IP address surfaced more than once. That's just a hunch, but I doubt the police are starting with those who made only one entry. I also find suspect his need to say that he likes a lot of porn, and accesses a lot of web-based porn not just child porn. My sense is that distinguishing the two is going to be the difficult thing for both sides in this, and that in the end he will be arguing that although he regularly visits hard-core sites, he opposes child sites, and that in England will be an interesting of fact to be determined by jury or judge at his choice.

[Guest Les]

> He says he never downloaded anything and the proof of that would be on his hard drives, which he willingly turned over to police.

 

Hi Rick,:7

When you view anything(pictures or text) on your computer it has already automatically been downloaded and hitting the delete button only removes the first few initial few bytes...the rest remains to be discovered.

Take care, Les

[+ Lucky]

Les, so every pic you post here gets downloaded on my computer just because I looked at it? (I am not a computer whiz here.) So someone could get something on my harddrive just by sending it to me even if I delete it?

Thanks

[Guest Les]

Yes Lucky, I'm afraid that's true. Whatever you view on your computer has been downloaded to your hardrive. If you delete it the first intitial bytes are removed and your computer usually moves the remaining bytes to the free space. If this space is eventually used it will be overwritten but still recoverable by certain programs.:-(

Just to be on the safe side I'd recommend at minimum you use Eraser or some similar free program that will overwrite your freespace. I run it every week...only takes 15 or 20 minutes unless you have a massive hardrive where it might take a bit longer.

 

http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/header_eraser.htm

[Guest Les]

Yes Lucky, I'm afraid that's true. Whatever you view on your computer has been downloaded to your hardrive. If you delete it the first intitial bytes are removed and your computer usually moves the remaining bytes to the free space. If this space is eventually used it will be overwritten but still recoverable by certain programs.:-(

Just to be on the safe side I'd recommend at minimum you use Eraser or some similar free program that will overwrite your freespace. I run it every week...only takes 15 or 20 minutes unless you have a massive hardrive where it might take a bit longer.

 

http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/header_eraser.htm

[Rick Munroe]

> Yes Lucky, I'm afraid that's true. Whatever you view on your

>computer has been downloaded to your hardrive.

 

Actually, Lucky, it's not true at all. If you haven't downloaded it, it's not on your hard drive. The only things that are on your hard drive are things you save or install or download. If I look at a pic someone posts here, there's nothing to delete. Les, are you perhaps referring to cookies?

[jackhammer91406]

Rick,

With all there is to fantasize about you, it could take weeks to finish. Now I have to think about your cookies too? Geesh.

 

 

 

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[ad rian]

>Actually, Lucky, it's not true at all. If you haven't

>downloaded it, it's not on your hard drive. The only things

>that are on your hard drive are things you save or install or

>download.

 

No, unfortunately Les is right. The bytes of everything you look at is on your hard drive, and can be retreieved. Trust me this is what modern day litigation support is all about. First, you get the hard drive, then you call the ISP or vise versa. Cookies and downloaded files are easy to erase, but when it comes to computers out of sight is not necessarilly out of mind. The only quibble I have with Les' software is that while I believe it is one of the most powerful commecially available, as with encrytion programs, I don't believe it is legal for it to be all powerful. I think the keys to getaround it must be available to the government. That is why in the FAQ, they don't actually represent it to be 100% effective.

[Guest Les]

Rick...stick to what you know..and do so well! :7

Everything you have ever viewed on your computer is still there!

Everything! Your computer sees only 1s and 0s. Your computer downloads this digital mismash to your hard drive where your operating system decodes them and shows on your monitor.

If it's been on your monitor it's on your hardrive. :7

 

When you look at anything on your monitor its on your hardrive or you couldn't view it!

 

Now all you can do is overwrite the files you have viewed...the more you overwrite the more impossible it is to recover.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

RE: All viewed images on hard drive

 

I think saying EVERYTHING is a misnomer. It is my understanding that there are basically two ways that images (or any data for that matter) that you have viewed online but have not explcitly downloaded to a saved file can be found on your hard drive.

 

1) I'm not sure how XP works, but EVERYTHING you view is indeed in memory. This is separate from your hard drive. Much (if not most depending on your system settings) is on your hard drive in an area reserved and used for "virtual memory." Your computer uses a portion of your hard drive as an extension of memory. Even starting a new program can replace parts or all of the contents of this virtual memory. And the size of the virtual memory is defined in the control panel. But it's been a few years since I ever tinkered with this option.

 

2) Depending on your browser settings, your browser may be saving copies of viewed pages on your hard drive. This allows the browser to quickly grab and display a previously viewed web page. But of course, you can set your browser to always look for the newest version of a page. You should find settings for this in your Internet Options for your browser.

 

Deej, you're the technical guru hear. What say you?

[Guest Les]

RE: All viewed images on hard drive

 

Hi LBB,:7

Yes I was wrong about everything going directly to the hardrive. Memory does

play an important role and only indexes downloaded pages when asked to do so...I'm not sure about the recoverability of downloads from memory.

My main point was that if your looking at something it's on your computer not somewhere else. If Rick or Lucky are viewing an image here at M4M it's not 'here' it's on their computer and well could be on their hardrive.

 

Thanks, Les

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: All viewed images on hard drive

 

>Hi LBB,:7

> Yes I was wrong about everything going directly to the

>hardrive. Memory does

>play an important role and only indexes downloaded pages when

>asked to do so...I'm not sure about the recoverability of

>downloads from memory.

 

WHERE IS DADDY WHEN WE NEED HIM?

 

I bet he could give us the definitive answer on this one.

 

fukamarine

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

RE: All viewed images on hard drive

 

Although we are getting really detailed here (myself included), I think the jist of Les's point is still valid. You CAN'T ASSUME that just because you haven't explicitly saved an image to your hard drive that these images cannot be found on your hard drive. Depending on many variables, some of this data/pics could be found by someone with the knowhow and the right utilities.

 

One biggie is to make sure your browser is ALWAYS checking for the newest version of the pages you go to. Otherwise it will save many of your viewed pages 'in their entirety' on your hard drive.

 

Short of reformatting your entire hard drive or smashing it to pieces with a sledge hammer, nothing is guaranteed.