Health & Fitness

[rguer]

Now that is exactly true, But isn't high fructose corn syrup in almost everything? I read were you have to really be careful. It is in almost every ingredient.

 

It's sure in an amazing number of things. Soft drinks, sure, but spaghetti sauce?

[BaronArtz]

I try to avoid high fructose altogether. Yes, it's in most processed foods including ketchup!

[bigvalboy]

I try to avoid high fructose altogether. Yes, it's in most processed foods including ketchup!

 

That is what I had heard, that you can find it in most processed foods. Very difficult to avoid unless, you eat really clean, now it can be done, but it is difficult.

[bigvalboy]

So ErieBear...how are you doing today with everything we have been discussing...feel free to pm me...

[+ FreshFluff]

Congrats, Erie! Maybe now that you've lost 40 pounds, you can start calling yourself ErieCub instead.

 

I try to choose diet drinks with Splenda. And, use it on things like cereal or fruit sometimes. I personally like the taste better than Aspertame, (Nutrasweet).

 

Splenda is my favorite sweetener, but it's so new. It's much well less studied than Aspartame and, certainly, than the dreaded saccharin. Aren't we better off with the devil we know?

[Phil_musc]

Wow - so much information here. The basic principles are easy though - it really is about intake vs. output. And you really CAN eat everything - in moderation. We really don't have a handle on the concept of portion sizes in America. At my gym, they recently put up examples of what a serving size actually is. Everyone at the gym I spoke with thought it was laughable. But it IS the start of taking control of one's diet. The other aspect of the weight control thing is exercise of some sort - for me running is much more efficient than walking (walking is just too slow for me). With that cardio business I incorporate a significant amount of progressive resistance training. That will build some muscle mass and with that increased muscle mass comes an increased metabolism which allows you to eat a little more (actually quite a bit more). Joseph, I am totally with you about the Chobani Greek yoghurt for breakfast (although I buy whatever is on sale that week).

[whipped guy]

Read on...

 

All I can add is, "Start reading lables... the fine print... check out all the ingredients.. and know the ramifications of the ingredients."

 

It is quite the education... and just one example: Palm oil... and is usually listed on a package that boasts being cholesterol free and low fat... Well palm oil being a plant product is indeed cholesterol free... and there may be a low amount of it in the product... but it is so high in saturated fat that just reading the label can almost initiate some sort of heart condition!

 

That is why I read every label and while it is impossible to eat perfectly fat, sodium, sugar, etc. free... nor is it really desirable to do so...we must at least know what we are consuming so we can make better buying choices so that our overall diet will be as reasonably healthy as is practical in our often fast paced society... and if our pace is too fast for one's health then possibly we need to slow down and make better choices...

 

PS:

Joseph, I am totally with you about the Chobani Greek yoghurt for breakfast (although I buy whatever is on sale that week).

 

It seems that they NEVER put Chobani on sale in my area!!!!

[ErieBear]

So ErieBear...how are you doing today with everything we have been discussing...feel free to pm me...

 

I'm actually doing well today. My knee was still bothering me a bit today from my 2 1/2 mile walk yesterday, so I took the day off of working out. I did eat clean today though. Tonight, I get my titration sleep study done for my CPAP machine (just found out I have mile sleep apnea), so that should be interesting. Of course I won't be able to look at porn while I'm there tonight

[Guest JackF]

I'm actually doing well today. My knee was still bothering me a bit today from my 2 1/2 mile walk yesterday, so I took the day off of working out. I did eat clean today though. Tonight, I get my titration sleep study done for my CPAP machine (just found out I have mile sleep apnea), so that should be interesting. Of course I won't be able to look at porn while I'm there tonight

 

 

 

Good luck with that test. Having a CPAP machine, for those who truly need it, are absolutely amazing. I know plenty of folks that have them and your sleep will get a 100% better, I can assure you. Definitely take the time and funds to invest in it and you will absolutely be glad that you did!!!!

[bigvalboy]

I'm actually doing well today. My knee was still bothering me a bit today from my 2 1/2 mile walk yesterday, so I took the day off of working out. I did eat clean today though. Tonight, I get my titration sleep study done for my CPAP machine (just found out I have mile sleep apnea), so that should be interesting. Of course I won't be able to look at porn while I'm there tonight

 

LOL... you don't need any porn right now mister, you just concentrate on what is important. I gotta tell you that I was concerned about your knee the other day when you told me how much walking you are doing. 2 1/2 miles is outstanding, but remember to be careful with the knees. Remember to pm me if you have any questions! Best to you ErieBear...BVB

[leigh.bess.toad]

For the record I have not eaten a French fry since sometime in the 1990's... and have absolutely no desire to do so... and have not touched a soda since even before that. I know... I'm no fun.

 

I'm not sure if I should call you a braggart or a dullard.

[jjkrkwood]

For the record I have not eaten a French fry since sometime in the 1990's... and have absolutely no desire to do so... and have not touched a soda since even before that. I know... I'm no fun.

 

I gave up french fries for sweet potatoe fries, baked in the oven. Healthier, and sometimes, you just need a Fry. Never was a soda fan. Water is the best thirst quencher for me.

[whipped guy]

I'm not sure if I should call you a braggart or a dullard.

A braggart about his dullard-ness!

 

I gave up french fries for sweet potatoe fries, baked in the oven. Healthier, and sometimes, you just need a Fry.

I agree! Actually if you take either white or sweet potatoes (or a combination of the two for the best of both worlds) and place them in a shallow metal dish sprayed with something like Pam, and bake them in the oven Turning occasionally... and top them off with a couple of minutes under the broiler... they can give quite the illusion of a French fry without being fried... and to my taste buds taste better than a traditional oily and greasy French fry... and of the two types of potatoes the sweet potato definitely reacts better because of the natural sugar content causing them to almost explode with flavor...

[gallahadesquire]

Sucrose, glucose, and fructose

 

Just a point of clarification:

 

Sucrose is a dimer of glucose and fructose.

 

"Sugar", as we think of it, is glucose. The first step in glucose metabolism

is to turn it into Fructose.

 

I have no idea what's in cane sugar vs. beet sugar. There may be some lactose, but the

same arguments apply: They all turn into glucose or fructose. Sugar is sugar.

 

I'm having a blank on its molecular weight: It's C6H12O6 so roughly 180 gms / Mole.

Calories: 4 per gram sugar

 

I remember a resident who had his coffee "Cream and two sugahs". Sigh. No idea

that the cream was much worse for him.

 

most fats: 9 cal / gram.

 

I'm missing most of the details here, but this is a start. I've finally convinced a good

female friend of mine to stop pouring olive oil over the vegetables once they've cooked.

 

 

I need to go back to nutrition class.

[whipped guy]

I've finally convinced a good

female friend of mine to stop pouring olive oil over the vegetables once they've cooked.

 

 

I need to go back to nutrition class.

 

Steaming veggies and then drizzling a small amount of olive oil just prior to serving is really a very healthy way to cook and serve veggies. If one is going to have oil... extra virgin olive oil (EVO) is the way to go and it is so flavorful that only a very small amount is required to enhance the taste of almost anything... that is if you like the flavor... and it a good trick to have your oil and only get a fraction of the calories compared to having fried or sautéed foods, etc.

 

Actually I need to go back to organic chemistry class and/or biochemistry class... but I ain't goin' there... no way Jose'!!

[rguer]

Just a point of clarification:

 

Sucrose is a dimer of glucose and fructose.

 

"Sugar", as we think of it, is glucose.

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree on this. Most people think of sucrose, not glucose, when they think of sugar. Sucrose is what most people put in their coffee, what they buy in bags at the grocery, etc.

[whipped guy]

Well... I went back to biochem class... not that I really wanted to!!!

 

Strictly speaking, a dimer is two identical molecules put together such as maltose which is composed of two glucose molecules bonded together. Sucrose is technically a disaccharide.... a monosaccharide molecule each of glucose and fructose... which means two different sugars put together. Still sucrose is most often referred to as being a dimer of monomers of glucose and fructose linked together by a covalent bond...

 

Now that I have a headache... I think I'll just call it a night and proclaim everyone correct!!!!

[bigvalboy]

Strictly speaking, a dimer is two identical molecules put together such as maltose which is composed of two glucose molecules bonded together. Sucrose is technically a disaccharide.... a monosaccharide molecule each of glucose and fructose... which means two different sugars put together. Still sucrose is most often referred to as being a dimer of monomers of glucose and fructose linked together by a covalent bond...

 

Now that I have a headache... I think I'll just call it a night and proclaim everyone correct!!!!

 

Huh!!!...........WG you lost me back at "Strictly Speaking"...

[rguer]

Strictly speaking, a dimer is two identical molecules put together such as maltose which is composed of two glucose molecules bonded together. Sucrose is technically a disaccharide.... a monosaccharide molecule each of glucose and fructose... which means two different sugars put together. Still sucrose is most often referred to as being a dimer of monomers of glucose and fructose linked together by a covalent bond...

 

2 monosaccharides = a disaccaride, 3 or more monosaccharides (typically many more) = a polysaccharide. One well known polysaccharide is starch, composed of many glucose molecules.

 

One novel modern use for polysaccharides is as the basis of vaccines. The first commercial one was the polyvalent pneumonia vaccine.

 

I mention this because we're in a Health & Fitness thread, and that vaccine is recommended for people over 65 and for those in various other risk groups. If you're over 60, talk to your doctor about it at your next visit.

[jackhammer91406]

challenges....

 

At this point in my life having struggled with Leukemia, skin cancer and then prostate cancer with surgery all within 17 months, I find after each adventure that my body responds more and more slowly. When I finished the rounds of chemotherapy for the Leukemia, I began to have almost unbearable joint and neural and muscular pain. My doctors said it was common for some patients to have this reaction after chemo, and that while none would say whether the pain would ever abate, there are methods of pain management . however over time you have to sort out the trade offs of pain management versus side effects. The pain makes it VERY difficult to ride my recumbent bike for my usual workout time and levels. Even any basic movement causes intense pain, (especially stairs) so everything slows down to compensate. Food is not the problem. The problem for me is building the stamina and pushing the pain threshold. Neither is coming along at a pace that encourages. But you gotta keep trying.

[whipped guy]

Actually the bio-chem tangent to this thread kind of gives me a headache... who woulda thunk I woulda remembered a term such as "covalent bond", etc. (So BVB I more or less even got lost myself after "strictly speaking"!) Still, so much great information has come from this thread... one of the better threads of late... so thanks EB for starting it... even though it did give me a bit of a headache...

 

Now... any healthy and natural remedies for that headache??

[healthguy]

Good morning jackhammer! All the good thoughts to you, that I can possible muster up, while you recover! I'm sure you are hoping the pain begins to abate now that the chemo is done. In the decades of my career, I have worked oncology, and with many patients in various phases of cancer treatment and recovery. Nearly always, have been stunned by your "gotta keep trying" attitude. To go along a little with your situation, and this thread, I was thinking about an interview that Barbara Walters, (Baba Wawa) did decades ago. It was with 4 centenarians. Three ladies, and a gentleman. Of course the umbrella question was posed: "How did you do it?" All four of these people were trim/slim. All four said they ate WHATEVER they wanted. One of them chuckled and said something like; "well when I say I eat a pound of bacon, I really only have a slice or two." They looked as if they practiced the moderation rule in life! They ALL did some sort of exercise, even at 100+! All of them had survived some degree of physical malady. The most difficult part for ALL of them was losing family and friends. I think all of them had seen children expire before them.

So, my point being: We can enjoy life and what is available to us in moderation. Keeping in touch with the world around and the people around us.

I need to tell myself all the time, I really am not so unique. Perhaps different gifts to impart. But, my needs like everybody else, were conceived at birth. It's challenges that we face, and tolerances to those gifts that each of us has, that will separate the boys from the men. Hope you have a better day today than yesterday jackhammer. Rand

[+ Charlie]

Good morning jackhammer! All the good thoughts to you, that I can possible muster up, while you recover! I'm sure you are hoping the pain begins to abate now that the chemo is done. In the decades of my career, I have worked oncology, and with many patients in various phases of cancer treatment and recovery. Nearly always, have been stunned by your "gotta keep trying" attitude. To go along a little with your situation, and this thread, I was thinking about an interview that Barbara Walters, (Baba Wawa) did decades ago. It was with 4 centenarians. Three ladies, and a gentleman. Of course the umbrella question was posed: "How did you do it?" All four of these people were trim/slim. All four said they ate WHATEVER they wanted. One of them chuckled and said something like; "well when I say I eat a pound of bacon, I really only have a slice or two." They looked as if they practiced the moderation rule in life! They ALL did some sort of exercise, even at 100+! All of them had survived some degree of physical malady. The most difficult part for ALL of them was losing family and friends. I think all of them had seen children expire before them.

So, my point being: We can enjoy life and what is available to us in moderation. Keeping in touch with the world around and the people around us.

I need to tell myself all the time, I really am not so unique. Perhaps different gifts to impart. But, my needs like everybody else, were conceived at birth. It's challenges that we face, and tolerances to those gifts that each of us has, that will separate the boys from the men. Hope you have a better day today than yesterday jackhammer. Rand

 

I really do believe that moderation is more important than rigid diet. My mother basically ate what she wanted to eat, and never looked at labels or tried to figure out how many calories she was consuming, but she ate small quantities of whatever it was. She also didn't drink alcohol or smoke, and walked everywhere, never having learned to drive. She swam every day after she retired to Florida in her 70s, and started working out at a gym in her 80s. She still weighed the same as she had as a young woman when she died at 102.

[jjkrkwood]

I really do believe that moderation is more important than rigid diet. My mother basically ate what she wanted to eat, and never looked at labels or tried to figure out how many calories she was consuming, but she ate small quantities of whatever it was. She also didn't drink alcohol or smoke, and walked everywhere, never having learned to drive. She swam every day after she retired to Florida in her 70s, and started working out at a gym in her 80s. She still weighed the same as she had as a young woman when she died at 102.

 

Charlie, its interesting to note that EACH persons idea of moderation is differnet, and thats the danger. Eatting fried chicken only 3 days a week instead of 5 wont really help you much.

Education, and knowing the facts about food is an important part of this. People say "I only eat salads", but fail to relaize when you drown the salad in creamy dressing, it defeats the purpose of the salad. (But I DO love it creamy).....

[gallahadesquire]

I'm afraid I have to disagree on this. Most people think of sucrose, not glucose, when they think of sugar. Sucrose is what most people put in their coffee, what they buy in bags at the grocery, etc.

 

I was speaking biochemically. As in "glucose -6-phosphate"